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Post by fuzzyone on Jan 9, 2011 4:08:49 GMT
Also note, On several occasions Annie has pointed out that Reynard tried to kill her. To kat, after she called Reynard a big Softie, "Yes, a Big Softie that tried to kill me."
And to Coyote, as well.
Regardless of how close she may feel to Reynard, she still maintains that he tried to kill her.
I would cite sources, but I can't remember where those events took place.
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Post by hifranc on Jan 9, 2011 8:55:04 GMT
Also note, On several occasions Annie has pointed out that Reynard tried to kill her. To kat, after she called Reynard a big Softie, "Yes, a Big Softie that tried to kill me." And to Coyote, as well. Regardless of how close she may feel to Reynard, she still maintains that he tried to kill her. I would cite sources, but I can't remember where those events took place. They Coyote one is easy to find: If you go to the main page and scroll down you'll see that the previous occasions when she visited the forest were Chapter 20 & Chapter 26. You know that the start of each chapter is the preparation to go to the forest so if you take each one from about 5 or 10 pages in you have less searching to do. Doing that I've found one of your references: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=496. That was about half way through the story so far. I supect that Annie is more trusting of Reynard now.
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Post by fronzel on Jan 9, 2011 9:02:23 GMT
Also note, On several occasions Annie has pointed out that Reynard tried to kill her. To kat, after she called Reynard a big Softie, "Yes, a Big Softie that tried to kill me." And to Coyote, as well. Regardless of how close she may feel to Reynard, she still maintains that he tried to kill her. I would cite sources, but I can't remember where those events took place. They Coyote one is easy to find: If you go to the main page and scroll down you'll see that the previous occasions when she visited the forest were Chapter 20 & Chapter 26. You know that the start of each chapter is the preparation to go to the forest so if you take each one from about 5 or 10 pages in you have less searching to do. Doing that I've found one of your references: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=496. That was about half way through the story so far. I supect that Annie is more trusting of Reynard now. She saw fit to remind Renard of it only a brief while ago. She was mad, though.
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Post by King Mir on Jan 9, 2011 13:05:40 GMT
The "Yes, a Big Softie that tried to kill me." line was in Power Station, and before Coyote made the claim that Bernardine cares deeply for Annie in Coyote Stories. A lot has happened since then and her perception has probably changed by now.
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Post by blahzor on Jan 9, 2011 14:22:59 GMT
Or at least she does not want to. In that instant She called him a friend. She has consistently responded positively to being told people care for her. man did it just hit anyone else that from the comment in this article that Coyote taught Surma how to fly which she then showed to Rey in that one page. I'm almost to the point that Coyote knew well before Rey got tricked and allowed it (their plan) to happen just to see how it would play out
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Post by 0o0f on Jan 9, 2011 17:30:40 GMT
Annie did call him a friend, but she might not entirely trust him yet. Perhaps she had thought of bringing him back to his original body, but didn't because of not trusting him.
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 9, 2011 18:06:33 GMT
These are pretty serious offenses. I suspect that the Court will be within their rights to ground Annie as punishment OR at the very least forbid her from returning to the forest. From returning to the forest with the express purpose of taking some self-control training? This would be obviously counter-productive idea. the idea of Annie alone with just Coyote, Ysengrin, and forest creatures for company for an extended period of time scares me. - as opposed to company of Jones, Renard, Mort, Jeanne and bunch of crazy robots? ;D Oh, and students from Foley, too. Can't forget them fairies. Hmm, the Gillitie Wood may be less of a madhouse. Yes but which takes precedent? Is no one to act as the child's guardian? (Attention grammar geeks: did I use "precedent" correctly there... I'm not sure.) Well, it would be a precedent... The question is, what Jones really tries to do. I just doubt she would antagonize Annie and allow Coyote to outmaneuver her accidentally. And if not, Annie only have to comply with some sensibly sounding trade-off to make the plan backfire hilariously. Why do we think that Jones is somehow beholden to a position of neutrality, as opposed to merely being an agent of the Court In addition to earlier events, Coyote implies this - and he presumably knows who stands where. But she probably won't act against the Court's overt interests if this can be avoided. Thus, if Jones wants to agree, she can simply allow Coyote to "win" the argument while preventing possible objections from Annie herself. That's pretty eyebrow-rising, too. Everything adds up to the same. all she's doing is acting on basic emotions, without even the semblance of caring about what happens to anyone else. Annie did fly into blind rage and general freak-out. But now she had a little rest and is less tired and more alert than seems to be, despite bad mood. For her, that's a very productive condition, however unpleasant - remember her re-acquainting Eglamore and Donlans with Renard?.. A reminder: Annie hasn't expressed any opinion either way yet. And she steers the conversation when needed. I bet she smells a big rat Jones smuggled under that party hat and lets them both spill more while she takes her time to figure out her best move. Though I certainly wouldn't put it past Coyote to keep on talking about the offer as if Annie *had* accepted it, in order to manipulate her into believing that she had - leading, in turn, to Annie accepting it simply because she believes that it's a "fait accompli". Coyote's unlikely to underestimate her this much. I wouldn't even put it past him to accurately push Annie away much like Jones did. Just to turn the trick against its author. The "Yes, a Big Softie that tried to kill me." line was in Power Station, and before Coyote made the claim that Bernardine cares deeply for Annie in Coyote Stories. A lot has happened since then and her perception has probably changed by now. Much the same situation with Ysengrin, by the way. It's not like Annie could forget how absurdly dangerous he can be, but now they're sort of friends and this only makes relaxing in his presence easier.
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Post by murgatroyd on Jan 10, 2011 2:31:41 GMT
I've had a thought:
Yes, Annie could stay in the forest. But would she be free to leave?
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Post by strangebloke on Jan 10, 2011 3:15:06 GMT
www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=445I really think that that is the important page to look at when talking about this whole thang. Look at Annie. Her face seems to say: "Yes he is very considerate of me, but he is no 'softie.'" rey is her friend, and she trusts him at this point, but that doesn't mean that she denies the past, or that they never have fights. Oh, and Annie has total control over Rey, who treats Annie like a daughter. Their relationship is unhealthy, to say the least.
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Post by scyllarus on Jan 10, 2011 8:25:02 GMT
@ king mir sorry, preemptive strike on anyone accusing me of slandering tom. i don't like annie's decisions, but i still enjoy his work. and, seeing today's comic, i think my rant may be justified. she's going to stay. paxjax123mm. i'm sorry, let's put this bluntly: "i've learned to expect the worst from people, and the fact tom's main character is acting so...human makes me angry at her (not tom)" yes, the comic has kept us guessing, but as it stands, i think i may be justified in my rant, this once. rutlandi guess i'm simply irked that now that she's calmed down some, she's seemed to have stopped thinking about anything other than "ooo, i get to stay in the forest?!?!?!" yes, it was a spur of the moment freak-out when she did run, but now? no. she's simply not thinking (or else not caring) how anyone else feels about this.
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Post by jayne on Jan 10, 2011 12:08:46 GMT
"she's simply not thinking (or else not caring) how anyone else feels about this."
She probably does care what Kat thinks about this but their friendship is not in jeopardy because she's changed her summer plans*. What consequences are you imagining will happen that makes her choice so dire as to deserve a slap?
*In the real world, a sudden opportunity for a summer job would do the same thing.
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Post by scyllarus on Jan 11, 2011 5:25:22 GMT
no consequences, really. i mean, what are the adults going to do? put her in detention? kat and rey would forgive her anything, and they're the only people who matter to her. it's the fact that she doesn't mention them, bring them up, say "i need to think about this"...no, she just wants to stay in the forest for the summer (somehow i think "forever" is out of the question). she doesn't even seem thoughtful about it. of course, we don't know what's going on in her head, but her expression is rather joyful to be concerned about other things.
sorry, but my friends are worth a bit more to me than that. it's not kat's fault that surma died or anything else annie might be peeved at.
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Post by jayne on Jan 11, 2011 12:26:21 GMT
Well, its not like she's blaming Kat for anything... she's just had a really tough day after a really tough couple of years... she needs a break from everyone and she knows it. Going on vacation with Kat's parents would be very hard on Annie right now. They should have told her what was going on and she's not done being angry (based on other times she's been angry, she doesn't get over it very quickly)
I'm sure once the scene gets around to it, she'll address the Kat and Rey situation. You can't really tell if she hasn't considered them but if she has, they weren't enough to make her decide not to stay. Coyote has information about her that she needed to hear and there may be more he's willing to share.. eventually.. when he gets around to it.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 11, 2011 12:26:40 GMT
no consequences, really. i mean, what are the adults going to do? put her in detention? Yeah, probably. I wonder if she will have to spend time in decon and if that would substitute for detention. If so I wonder if they'll detect the Coyote Tooth. She probably does care what Kat thinks about this but their friendship is not in jeopardy because she's changed her summer plans*. What consequences are you imagining will happen that makes her choice so dire as to deserve a slap? Is Antimony Kat's only friend? Kat was only invited to the power station meet because she could bypass the security system. I don't have time to dig up the ref this morning but I believe there were a couple pages of young Kat being isolated because both of her parents were teachers. If she has few/no other friends she might take this harder than otherwise. And Kat has expressed to Antimony that she doesn't want to feel like she lost someone important to her again. Hopefully Antimony will have the clarity to send Kat a message via Jones. If not, and particularly if Kat's journal turns up in Antimony's room, this could potentially muck up their friendship for a while.
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Post by jayne on Jan 11, 2011 12:33:14 GMT
I haven't found it yet but yes, Kat doesn't have other friends because she gets such high grades and both parents are teachers. At least she does have a good relationship with her folks though. Its not like she thinks there's anything wrong with herself and understands the problem is with the other students. Edit: found someAnd this
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Post by fuzzyone on Jan 11, 2011 18:30:48 GMT
Annie does have other ways of communicating with Kat, as long as she gets to give Kat her Blinker stone before all is said and done. EDIT: Which makes me wonder... I wonder if Annie may eventually be able to PUT her blinker stone anywhere, instead of only bringing it from anywhere. Being able to ethericly sneak it into Kat's luggage would prevent the necessity of a return trip. But she may wish to make a return trip if only to get some changes of clothes.
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Post by todd on Jan 11, 2011 23:20:53 GMT
Kat made friends with Paz in the previous chapter. Maybe Annie's absence will lead to Kat and Paz becoming closer friends - for all we know, the fifth treatise could have Kat and Paz (with Paz serving as the etheric figure) instead of Annie and Kat.
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Post by fronzel on Jan 11, 2011 23:30:08 GMT
I haven't found it yet but yes, Kat doesn't have other friends because she gets such high grades and both parents are teachers. Nobody seemed uptight around her during the excursion in "Power Station". Back when Kat was being snubbed, it was also the case that Winsbury would stir up trouble whenever he could. He's mellowed out, maybe the others have, too?
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Post by jayne on Jan 11, 2011 23:50:19 GMT
I haven't found it yet but yes, Kat doesn't have other friends because she gets such high grades and both parents are teachers. Nobody seemed uptight around her during the excursion in "Power Station". Back when Kat was being snubbed, it was also the case that Winsbury would stir up trouble whenever he could. He's mellowed out, maybe the others have, too? Come to think of it, wasn't that everyone's first semester at this school? Its not as if Kat was an outcast, she just hadn't connected with anyone yet. By now, the class knows each other fairly well and they're growing up. Winsbury probably doesn't care so much about teasing girls as he did bad then!
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