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Post by todd on Jan 7, 2011 11:54:01 GMT
I can't help thinking that Coyote's offer would seem all the more tempting after the way Annie just left the Court (not to mention the cumulative effect that would have on all the earlier occasions she'd caused trouble for it). By this time, the faculty's patience with her may be wearing thin, and not returning could seem a lot safer.
Of course, having Annie stay in the forest would mean we'd see far less of the Court and its people in the webcomic, so she might have to return for the sake of the story (unless she really will be absent from the comic for the next few chapters and Tom focuses on the supporting cast during that time).
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Post by whattheziek on Jan 7, 2011 11:58:05 GMT
Panel four looks like a big glowy blue eye. Neat. and Coyote's long expected offer is finally revealed. And we've still got another 20 pages (or so) to go! We're only halfway there, folks. animagus: Y'might have something there.
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 7, 2011 12:01:01 GMT
I don't think Jones is going to go for this. Also, Jones made an actual facial expression in panel one! Shock and awe! Jones suddenly ceased to be the most observant being in the Court and began to play right into Coyote's paws, pushing Antimony away so hard? I'm not buying this. I suspect it's a provocation again, only this time Annie is sleepy, tired and not fully alert, so it can work. After all, this girl just demonstrated (on the bridge) her problems with self-control, and Jones stands silent right until Coyote's vague proposal in the first panel, then prompts a more articulate invitation. Oooh, he pulled the stay in the woods card. That's going to be hard to resist. There would be obvious second thoughts, but Jones does her best to fight Annie's doubts for her. In other news, Coyote, you hound! You actually managed to managed to have Jones make a face. ...and since she isn't very prone to this, i call "overdoing it". I get the feeling Jones is being backed into a corner. She can't let Annie stay (for whatever reason) but she can't lose her position as a neutral figure. I get the sense of Jones's line, "this has not been agreed by anyone" is said very hastily, as if she is stalling. Or is demonstratively dismissive to Annie as she was from the beginning of this encounter. Maybe she makes a point of her disapproval, maybe tries to "nudge" her student. Maybe, both. Also, I somehow don't think Coyote has purely altruistic motives in mind here. Does he really want Annie to be even more calm and controlled? Of course. This way she's safer for the wood and can be allowed to run around and get to know locals. As to mischief, she performs much better when calm and devious than in uncontrolled rages (and Coyote could observe her methods). This has all the hallmarks of an idea that is bad for you, yet so very, very hard to resist. So not flying into childish rages is evil, after all. How else will Kat lead Annie back to the court? The only question is how long will Annie be in the forest. I'd love to think that she'll spend the summer with Coyote.... The symbolism of symbolical Treatise is symbolic. Maybe, Annie will return now because she wants to talk with Kat (or return the homework, for that matter)? I hope that Annie has the sense not to immediately agree to this tonight, but I also hope that Annie does end up staying at the forest for the summer. It's sure to be more interesting than Scotland. If i'm right, the best she can do now is to say "i think about this" and pin Jones down to her word, that is to have her carry Annie's sleepy butt back to the Court as Jones apparently wanted. With an extra request to not suddenly waken her up in 20 meters of anything that looks like it may be flammable, in the light of these last revelations, still foul mood and the incident on the bridge. I cannot believe that Jones pulled rank like that. She has none, really, in Annie's mind; no one at the Court does right now. Technically, so far she was a just and impeccable advisor and generally good news for Annie. Which is why this looks like trying too hard. Annie's a fire elemental. A firehead. A hothead. She'll do whatever the hell she wants, Court, Forest, Jones, Coyote, be damned to the lot of them. Annie is also very perceptive and sneaky. And still actively steers this conversation despite her apparently bad shape.
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Post by molf on Jan 7, 2011 12:37:30 GMT
*Bip*
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Post by 0o0f on Jan 7, 2011 13:48:00 GMT
Oh my gosh, Jones actually show-
No wait, there's not really much emotion in that face after all.
And Annie does seems interested in Coyote's offer. No more sadface.
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Post by suraki on Jan 7, 2011 14:14:26 GMT
But what about the rule that people from the forest transform to go to the court and vice versa? Of course, it's possible that Annie won't be affected at all, but I can't help that think if she stays, something, and not only her new temper control, will change.
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Post by q3 on Jan 7, 2011 14:49:26 GMT
I get the feeling Coyote doesn't intend for Annie to learn to suppress her anger, but to harness it. "Impressive. Most impressive. Wandering Eye has taught you well. You have controlled your fear. Now, release your anger. Only your hatred can destroy me."
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Post by 0o0f on Jan 7, 2011 14:59:40 GMT
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Post by jayne on Jan 7, 2011 15:15:47 GMT
"This has not been agreed by anyone" Jones is speaking of some agreement. "You know I can take her if I wish" - This is probably more from that agreement. She is allowed to take Annie.
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Post by jayne on Jan 7, 2011 16:27:14 GMT
"It is agreed by the girl and I, who else need there be? Or are you truly working only in favour of the court?"
Coyote is implying that by asking for an agreement with others, Jones is not truly working only in favour of the court. Who are the others if not the people of the court?
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Post by King Mir on Jan 7, 2011 16:30:49 GMT
But what about the rule that people from the forest transform to go to the court and vice versa? Annie's part fire elemental. That's an excuse to allow it. Besides, Ysengrin isn't likely to oppose this.
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Post by King Mir on Jan 7, 2011 16:35:30 GMT
"It is agreed by the girl and I, who else need there be? Or are you truly working only in favour of the court?" Coyote is implying that by asking for an agreement with others, Jones is not truly working only in favour of the court. Who are the others if not the people of the court? No, he's implying that by insisting on taking Annie against her will, Jones is being an agent of the court.
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Post by failbot on Jan 7, 2011 16:53:30 GMT
Could this be a scheme with an end goal of getting Renard back in the wood?
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Post by jayne on Jan 7, 2011 16:53:32 GMT
"It is agreed by the girl and I, who else need there be? Or are you truly working only in favour of the court?" Coyote is implying that by asking for an agreement with others, Jones is not truly working only in favour of the court. Who are the others if not the people of the court? No, he's implying that by insisting on taking Annie against her will, Jones is being an agent of the court. She said "this has not been agreed by anyone" She has never said she was going to take Annie against her will. So far, she's only asked Annie to return with her. She said she can take her if she wishes, not that she intends to do so.
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Post by King Mir on Jan 7, 2011 17:06:50 GMT
No, he's implying that by insisting on taking Annie against her will, Jones is being an agent of the court. She said "this has not been agreed by anyone" She has never said she was going to take Annie against her will. So far, she's only asked Annie to return with her. She said she can take her if she wishes, not that she intends to do so. Not yet she hasn't. She's trying to appear neutral, and Coyote is holding her to it. But for whatever reason, Jones seems to want Annie to come back to the court right now. I'm not saying that Jones would take Annie against her will, but that's what Coyote is cautioning against.
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Post by blahzor on Jan 7, 2011 17:19:07 GMT
Well now I didn't really see that one coming. you didn't see the 4th Treatise preview? pretty sure she stays or splits half her time there b/c (Brokeback mountain voice) she can't forget Kat
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Post by jayne on Jan 7, 2011 17:21:39 GMT
She said "this has not been agreed by anyone" She has never said she was going to take Annie against her will. So far, she's only asked Annie to return with her. She said she can take her if she wishes, not that she intends to do so. Not yet she hasn't. She's trying to appear neutral, and Coyote is holding her to it. But for whatever reason, Jones seems to want Annie to come back to the court right now. I'm not saying that Jones would take Annie against her will, but that's what Coyote is cautioning against. So, Jones arguing that Annie shouldn't stay means... well, that SOUNDS like she's acting in favour of the court. Jones, on the courts behalf, would want Annie back in the court. But then why would Coyote question her about it. If Coyote wants Jones to act neutrally... Wait.. he said "Are you truly acting in favour of the court" If you remove "truly", it could be he's accusing Jones of acting in favour of the court instead of neutrally. "Are you acting in favour of the court" "Are you honestly acting in favour of the court" "Are you really acting in favour of the court"
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Post by jandor on Jan 7, 2011 17:46:50 GMT
Maybe now we'll get the Coyote vs. Jones showdown
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Post by hifranc on Jan 7, 2011 18:10:39 GMT
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Post by cathect on Jan 7, 2011 18:15:21 GMT
I think this is an offer Annie should sleep on, especially since she's not in the best decision making mood and Coyote is the one offering. Even if she decides to take Coyote up on his offer I feel she would at least need to say good-bye to Kat since she's her closest friend (and I'd like to see some resolution with Rey, but maybe that's wishful thinking). But I would like to see more of the Forest and get a feel for how the other half lives, so to speak.
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Post by percival on Jan 7, 2011 18:26:54 GMT
Could this be a scheme with an end goal of getting Renard back in the wood? You're probably right... he'll somehow want to convince/trick Antimony to release Renard from his bonds and free him into the wood. Perhaps this is Jones's only concern, that Renard is trying to use Annie to destabilize the current balance between the court and the woods.
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Post by Alexandragon on Jan 7, 2011 19:52:05 GMT
Hah! Coyote do it! There will be fight!
P.S.: Very interesting plan to rescue Rey from the Cort.
And look of Jone's face! She has emotions! Sometimes)))
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Post by hanneswall on Jan 7, 2011 19:53:32 GMT
Coyote looks way too pleased in the first panel. Also some slight facial movement from Jones! Way to go Coyote!
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Post by Per on Jan 7, 2011 20:14:18 GMT
Even if Coyote may have Reynardine in mind, it's quite possible there are other reasons for inviting Annie that would be sufficient in themselves: her background and natural affinity for socializing with supernatural creatures, and a general desire to nab/influence a potential Court asset, for a lark and/or utility.
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Post by shadow3 on Jan 7, 2011 20:27:35 GMT
Just as predicted, Annie will train under Cyote, gaining 1 million furyoku and god-class shaman abilities.
Annie for Shaman King 2011.
Hoowah.
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Post by blahzor on Jan 7, 2011 20:47:58 GMT
Just as predicted, Annie will train under Cyote, gaining 1 million furyoku and god-class shaman abilities. Annie for Shaman King 2011. Hoowah. i just think that Coyote just wants to improve her D20 rolls
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Post by scatter on Jan 7, 2011 20:48:28 GMT
I think this is an offer Annie should sleep on, especially since she's not in the best decision making mood and Coyote is the one offering. I don't believe Annie really has that luxury. Exactly how many rules did she break to get to the forest? 1. She crossed the bridge 2. Ignored Eglamore's order 3. Attacked a teacher These are pretty serious offenses. I suspect that the Court will be within their rights to ground Annie as punishment OR at the very least forbid her from returning to the forest.
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Post by noblemanofreason on Jan 7, 2011 21:10:11 GMT
Even if Coyote may have Reynardine in mind, it's quite possible there are other reasons for inviting Annie that would be sufficient in themselves: her background and natural affinity for socializing with supernatural creatures, and a general desire to nab/influence a potential Court asset, for a lark and/or utility. ........Ok, I'll bite. Why did you give Jones a moustache? On a more serious note, while I do like the idea of Coyote trying to get Renard back through Annie, I would like to say that Coyote, being the trickster, may just be trying to annoy the court in a way he knows doesn't violate the promise he made when he split the court form the forest ( heard about here, last panel). Edit: Annie is either going to make a very tough choice, or Jones is going to drag her away before she can make one. Either way however, I'm interested in how the court will react to this, and what Kat will do, especially if it forces her to choose between the court and Annie.
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Post by Elaienar on Jan 7, 2011 21:29:31 GMT
In the last panel Coyote has assumed that Antimony will stay, even though she hasn't directly stated that she would yet, and Antimony doesn't generally like people assuming things about her. I wonder if that will influence her decision.
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Post by cathect on Jan 7, 2011 21:40:32 GMT
I don't believe Annie really has that luxury. Exactly how many rules did she break to get to the forest? 1. She crossed the bridge 2. Ignored Eglamore's order 3. Attacked a teacher These are pretty serious offenses. I suspect that the Court will be within their rights to ground Annie as punishment OR at the very least forbid her from returning to the forest. You are right. I forgot to take that into account.
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