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Post by aaroncampbell on Sept 22, 2010 13:49:43 GMT
I think Tom is leading us along again. What if Steadman and Sir Young were just trying to help the two lovers get together, and the arrow was supposed to be a noise-making one (like one of those party whistles) and release confetti, and the etheric part was a blinker stone message that wrote in big colored letters, "CONGRATULATIONS, YOU TWO!"
But something wasn't right with the arrow, and it was silent, and the blinker stone unbalanced the arrowhead causing Steadman's shot to go awry, and it accidentally killed Elf-boy. Then the fragments of the stone managed to write out "YOU TOO!" in twisted letters before flickering out, and Jeanne panicked and ran away down the ravine, until she eventually came to die of starvation. No wonder they would want to "bury what was done here"! How embarrassing! And Diego felt bad because the arrow "did nothing." The three guys only wanted to help, and they ruined everything. :-(
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Post by Rafita on Sept 22, 2010 14:07:09 GMT
How come a humanoid entity can get down to the river on the forest side on foot, while the same is impossible on the court side?
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Post by jayne on Sept 22, 2010 14:10:28 GMT
How come a humanoid entity can get down to the river on the forest side on foot, while the same is impossible on the court side? He would have had to climb down a rope on his own, unless some etheric means were available to him.
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Post by Dvandaemon on Sept 22, 2010 14:11:31 GMT
Probably because he could fly or something
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Post by cu on Sept 22, 2010 14:12:02 GMT
The Sacred Word of Tom: Was escaping Jeanne's idea or the Court's? Would she have gone down to the Annan waters if the Court hadn't said anything about it?
"The Court was going to send her down to the water's edge for an undetermined length of time, and Jeanne decided to use that opportunity to escape."
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Post by jayne on Sept 22, 2010 14:24:43 GMT
The Sacred Word of Tom: Was escaping Jeanne's idea or the Court's? Would she have gone down to the Annan waters if the Court hadn't said anything about it?
"The Court was going to send her down to the water's edge for an undetermined length of time, and Jeanne decided to use that opportunity to escape."
Ah, so Jeanne knew about being lowered down to the river while she was writing to Greenguy. "They're making me <do something> at the river. Meet me and we can escape together" So, Jeanne would be lowered at midnight for some reason, and Greenguy would meet her at 3am... Wonder what she was supposed to be doing down there for hours in the middle of the night... barefoot... in a lovely gown... with her sword?
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Post by legion on Sept 22, 2010 14:32:51 GMT
The suspense is killing me. As it will kill them. Soon. D:
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Post by jayne on Sept 22, 2010 15:01:32 GMT
Time line as we know it: - People arrive at the forest and the court is created.
- For a while, things are peaceful.
- Disputes develop and escalate, becoming hostile
- Coyote, Reynard, and Ysengrin arrive
- Coyote divides the court from the forest
- Young and company worry that the powerful forest creatures will overtake them
- Jeanne tells Diego she hates him
- Diego devises a plan to make the river unpassable, using Jeanne as a key element.
- Young approved the plan and Diego makes the device.
- Jeanne is told she must go down to the river
- She doesn't want to go.
- At this point, Greenguy is not involved unless they just expected Jeanne to contact him.
- Steadman may have mentioned to Young, etc, that they've been communicating.
- Steadman wouldn't have known what the letters said because Jeanne attached them to the arrow just before he fired them out the window.
- Jeanne writes to Greenguy to escape together.
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Post by atteSmythe on Sept 22, 2010 15:19:27 GMT
And...I don't get this. As in, the time skips? One time skip, in the inky black between Jeanne being lowered and her Elf showing up. Diego didn't "mention" him. He suggested she forget about her love and never think of him again. All while being a creepy stalker who lead in large part to their separation in the first place. I think a freak-out is entirely justified. Yeah. I daren't guess what happens, but whatever it is, you know it'll be heartbreaking. Edit:I think Tom is leading us along again. What if Steadman and Sir Young were just trying to help the two lovers get together, and the arrow was supposed to be a noise-making one (like one of those party whistles) and release confetti, and the etheric part was a blinker stone message that wrote in big colored letters, "CONGRATULATIONS, YOU TWO!" But something wasn't right with the arrow, and it was silent, and the blinker stone unbalanced the arrowhead causing Steadman's shot to go awry, and it accidentally killed Elf-boy. Then the fragments of the stone managed to write out "YOU TOO!" in twisted letters before flickering out, and Jeanne panicked and ran away down the ravine, until she eventually came to die of starvation. No wonder they would want to "bury what was done here"! How embarrassing! And Diego felt bad because the arrow "did nothing." The three guys only wanted to help, and they ruined everything. :-( This is the reality I choose to believe.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 22, 2010 15:31:19 GMT
And then Jeanne is left. Alone. To starve to death on the shore. Takes an awful long time for someone to die when they have an ample supply of water... and God knows, Diego would have listened for every last moment. I don't know if this is a comfort or not but if the Annan Waters was a real place I doubt the temperature would get above 60F very often. The banks probably only get a few hours of sunlight per day. Consider how Jeanne is dressed (not even shoes!) and the lack of food and shelter, then add the depression of being betrayed and abandoned on top of that. I think a normal human of her build in these circumstances would die of complications from exposure in just a few days. She might last a week if she had some hope of rescue but she just doesn't have any. Oh yeah, I just now remembered that aggression is one of the symptoms of hypothermia. That might have something to do with Jeanne's ghost killing anyone/everyone. I wonder if - should the above prove to be true - if this explains how/why Jeanne's ghost cannot move on yet apparently cross the Waters where others cannot. She died and has continued to exist on the shore, the edge of things, and thus can cross to either side but cannot leave it. Jeanne crossing may have been enabled by Antimony's being a medium or her attractiveness to etheric beings, or maybe the coincidence of Antimony being posed like Jeanne's body inspired extra effort from Jeanne. Wonder what she was supposed to be doing down there for hours in the middle of the night... barefoot... in a lovely gown... with her sword? Excellent question. Bare feet would be good for rope-climbing and swimming, maybe, but lousy for spending any time at all walking over newly-broken rock. Bare feet might also be okay for delicate footwork for swordplay, so maybe this is her standard battle costume? My best guess is that she was a guard of the Court and they told her to patrol down there or something. How come a humanoid entity can get down to the river on the forest side on foot, while the same is impossible on the court side? Not only that, but unless they were planning to live in the Court he'd have had to help Jeanne swim across and scale the other side of the cliff. Even with help I think Green would have to be heroic and/or gifted beyond a normal human in physical ability. If so he would need some help to drown while swimming across; I'm thinking an arrow piercing a lung.
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Post by squidlet on Sept 22, 2010 15:39:50 GMT
I noticed something odd. You really can't see greenguys face. To me it kind-of looks like Tom put that wave of water there not to emphasis the fact that he's swimming but to cover his face. :/ May not be relevant, but it seems odd.
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Post by jayne on Sept 22, 2010 15:43:56 GMT
Not only that, but unless they were planning to live in the Court he'd have had to help Jeanne swim across and scale the other side of the cliff. Even with help I think Green would have to be heroic and/or gifted beyond a normal human in physical ability. If so he would need some help to drown while swimming across; I'm thinking an arrow piercing a lung. I was wondering about this but, they're planning to escape from both the forest and the court... if they plan to just follow the river to its source or end, it doesn't matter which side they're on. He'll swim to her and they'll both follow the river and escape.
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Post by krko on Sept 22, 2010 16:19:38 GMT
Prediction: They embrace, then the arrow pierces and kills them both.
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Post by Casey on Sept 22, 2010 16:45:06 GMT
Prediction: They embrace, then the arrow pierces and kills them both. Would not explain Jeanne's body neatly arranged on the shore sans arrow-holes.
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Post by q3 on Sept 22, 2010 16:53:40 GMT
Crazy predictions are fun. Here's my latest: the arrow harms the mind, not the body, and causes the elf dude to go berserk and kill Jeanne. When he comes to his senses, he is so overwhelmed with sorrow that he poses her body and then drowns himself. How come a humanoid entity can get down to the river on the forest side on foot, while the same is impossible on the court side? Maybe he got down there the same way Ysengrin did?
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Post by Fen on Sept 22, 2010 17:06:30 GMT
When Elfboy is halfway across, Steadman shoots him dead and the arrow pins his spirit to the bottom of the Waters. Jeanne is waiting for the day he gets freed so they can both pass on together.
Or something.
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Post by zombie on Sept 22, 2010 17:07:57 GMT
I think Tom is leading us along again. What if Steadman and Sir Young were just trying to help the two lovers get together, and the arrow was supposed to be a noise-making one (like one of those party whistles) and release confetti, and the etheric part was a blinker stone message that wrote in big colored letters, "CONGRATULATIONS, YOU TWO!" But something wasn't right with the arrow, and it was silent, and the blinker stone unbalanced the arrowhead causing Steadman's shot to go awry, and it accidentally killed Elf-boy. Then the fragments of the stone managed to write out "YOU TOO!" in twisted letters before flickering out, and Jeanne panicked and ran away down the ravine, until she eventually came to die of starvation. No wonder they would want to "bury what was done here"! How embarrassing! And Diego felt bad because the arrow "did nothing." The three guys only wanted to help, and they ruined everything. :-( This is the reality I choose to believe. I will be (even more) heartbroken if this is not what happened.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 22, 2010 17:15:45 GMT
I was wondering about this but, they're planning to escape from both the forest and the court... if they plan to just follow the river to its source or end, it doesn't matter which side they're on. He'll swim to her and they'll both follow the river and escape. I have the feeling it's not that easy, because then people could travel from Court to Forest by detouring around the Annan. If it were a natural river I'd expect it to erupt at one end of the chasm and then go back underground as a whirlpool at the other end. Since this is a magical place we're talking about (something that normal humans can't just walk into from outside) then the river might well be a mobius loop.
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Post by arucard on Sept 22, 2010 17:18:19 GMT
Not only that, but unless they were planning to live in the Court he'd have had to help Jeanne swim across and scale the other side of the cliff. Even with help I think Green would have to be heroic and/or gifted beyond a normal human in physical ability. If so he would need some help to drown while swimming across; I'm thinking an arrow piercing a lung. I was wondering about this but, they're planning to escape from both the forest and the court... if they plan to just follow the river to its source or end, it doesn't matter which side they're on. He'll swim to her and they'll both follow the river and escape. There's no evidence that Elfdude was running away too, is there? I mean, yeah, it's safe to assume that Jeanne wouldn't be welcome in the Forest, but who knows... That's the best thing about GC, all theories people come up with actually make some sense, or are at least possible... And then Tom comes along and proves we were all wrong and that what happened was completely different than anything we could have imagined. ;D
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Post by jayne on Sept 22, 2010 17:29:06 GMT
Crazy predictions are fun. Here's my latest: the arrow harms the mind, not the body, and causes the elf dude to go berserk and kill Jeanne. When he comes to his senses, he is so overwhelmed with sorrow that he poses her body and then drowns himself. How come a humanoid entity can get down to the river on the forest side on foot, while the same is impossible on the court side? Maybe he got down there the same way Ysengrin did? Etheric Elevator? However Ysengrin managed to get down there, it probably took a while. Annie was down there for hours, and it was either a human or the robot bird being on the forest side that got his attention somehow. Maybe he knew something fell and it took him that long to get there to see what it was.
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Post by evilanagram on Sept 22, 2010 17:35:03 GMT
Why wouldn't Jeanne be welcome at the Forest? There are plenty of human in Gillitie at this time.
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Post by jayne on Sept 22, 2010 17:38:30 GMT
Why wouldn't Jeanne be welcome at the Forest? There are plenty of human in Gillitie at this time. Ysengrin decided humans were no longer allowed in the forest.I have a feeling Ysengrin just started to kill all humans on sight, which Coyote understood as "Ysengrin doesn't allow humans unless they give up their bodies first" He doesn't mention HOW they gave up their bodies, does he?
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Post by jayne on Sept 22, 2010 18:02:27 GMT
Disclaimer: The following is just a theory about something that is probably never going to be explained because "it just is"I know how Ysengrin got down the cliff... he used his amazing gardening abilities to create roots from his tree armor that gripped the walls of the cliff and he climbed down like a centipede. Hey, if a tree can grow around a wolf and let him walk around, it can probably grow roots at will too. ;D
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Post by djublonskopf on Sept 22, 2010 19:07:24 GMT
There are continuity breaks on this page. Check the face of Young's watch on this page. Maybe its just REALLY deep and it took 3 hours to lower Jeanne to the bottom? OR Young hit the brandy a bit too hard this evening and he misspoke? OR, yeah, its just a screw up. ;D I don't understand. His watch says 3 o'clock. That's 3 hours after midnight . . . . . . where's the break?
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Post by jayne on Sept 22, 2010 19:22:00 GMT
Maybe its just REALLY deep and it took 3 hours to lower Jeanne to the bottom? OR Young hit the brandy a bit too hard this evening and he misspoke? OR, yeah, its just a screw up. ;D I don't understand. His watch says 3 o'clock. That's 3 hours after midnight . . . . . . where's the break? They lowered Jeanne down at Midnight. The first three images are Jeanne being lowered... however long that took. *time passes* Greenguy waves from the far bank. According to his note, it should be around 3am by then.
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Post by cu on Sept 22, 2010 19:34:30 GMT
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Post by jayne on Sept 22, 2010 19:41:03 GMT
Yeah the woody-body would be fine, its the squishy bits that would be in big trouble!
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 22, 2010 20:14:00 GMT
Heh. If Ysengrin has dryad powers he could just fling a tree over the edge and then teleport through it after it hits bottom. The tree should live for long enough to use.
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Post by warrl on Sept 22, 2010 20:31:33 GMT
The suicide fairies also got down there somehow.
I get the impression that the forest side of the gap is not nearly as much of an unbroken vertical as the court side. That it's nothing unusual for creatures to come down there for water.
Otherwise, it was a lousy place for the suicide fairies to wait for someone who would squish them.
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Post by zylonbane on Sept 22, 2010 20:32:20 GMT
If Ysengrin has dryad powers he could just fling a tree over the edge and then teleport through it after it hits bottom. He doesn't.
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