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Post by Casey on Jul 24, 2009 16:21:34 GMT
Jones knows Egyptian?
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Post by pepoluan on Jul 24, 2009 17:40:28 GMT
My question exactly. Where'd he get the idea that Jones knows Egyptian?
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Post by idonotlikepeas on Jul 24, 2009 19:15:32 GMT
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Post by pepoluan on Jul 24, 2009 20:37:11 GMT
Ah... Word of Tom. Okay, that being the case, she *might* be the incarnation of Galathea after all...
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Post by Kuraru on Jul 28, 2009 20:33:56 GMT
Last night I had a dream where Annie and Kat turned out to be alien children in an elaborate simulation designed to allow the aliens to learn more about humans and human society. That was the LEAST crazy part of the dream, but the only part I can remember clearly.
I don't actually believe it, but I think I can safely say that it's the wildest speculation so far.
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Post by guyy on Jul 28, 2009 21:58:40 GMT
I had an idea about Jones back when she sank into the bed. OK, so I'm probably not supposed to say this in here, but I have to point out there's a much more obvious explanation for the "bed anomaly" than any of the wacky ideas about it. Look at the feet of the people in that comic. Everyone except Jones has their feet spread far apart, but Jones's are right next to each other. Basic physics: pressure = force / area; reduce the area and the pressure increases, even if the force (her weight) is the same. Her weight is spread over a much smaller area, so she sinks down more than the others, even though she weighs about the same as they do. If you don't believe me, go stand on your bed with your feet apart, then move them together. You'll sink in noticeably farther in the second case. Jones may be a robot/alien/superhuman/cyborg/whatever you like, but if she is, she weighs about as much as a regular human.
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Post by xux on Jul 30, 2009 12:56:38 GMT
Jack encountered a nobody that resembled someone he knew and he seeks Zimmy in order to be reunited with them.
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Post by Nemmy on Jul 31, 2009 18:25:20 GMT
Whoops, maybe this is the better place for it that the other thread, but I'm still going to put it out there that I think Jones is Jeanne, in some respect, or at the very least that they are connected in some fashion.
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Post by coyotagoat on Jul 31, 2009 18:39:33 GMT
maybe a descendant? they do look kinda alike, but then alot of characters (*coughbrinniecough*) do
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Post by Casey on Jul 31, 2009 18:46:06 GMT
OK I got it:
In GC's dark past, Jeanne was the subject of an experiment to draw the etheric essence from a person, like taking sap from a tree, in order to cultivate it and give it to other people who did not have etheric propensities.
Only what they didn't know was, the process they used, which Sir Young developed, ended up sucking her very soul out of her body. The etheric essence, it turns out, is inextricably linked to one's soul. Jeanne died and her disembodied soul fled, attempting to get to the beautiful etheric colors of the forest, but ended up down in the ravine, unable to ascend.
Meanwhile Diego, who secretly loved Jeanne, blamed Sir Young for her death and created the Bullbot display as a way of venting his anger. But the technology he had developed allowed him to reanimate Jeanne's body, keeping her original skin and bones and even her mind, but infusing it with pure etheric energy in place of a soul, which allowed the new Jeanne--who decided, after several hundred years, to just go by the name of "Jones"--to perform superhuman feats, including heightened empathy, increased speed, and imperviable skin. However, the process of subverting the etheric energy into a pseudo-soul also caused her to lose any ties with the etherium, causing her to no longer be able to use blinker stones.
The Court, of course, after their experiment failed so miserably, decided to wipe any record of Jeanne out of existence. They did not know about Diego's secret shrine to Jeanne hidden behind a wall of his subterranean workshop. Nor did they know--because no one could go down there--that Jeanne's "ghost" still resided at the bottom of the ravine. And because her soul was removed while she was still alive, the escorts of the dead--the psychopomps--had no jurisdiction over her soul, and in fact did not even know whose soul it was, since they were never alerted to someone passing in the traditional sense.
In the end, the only way that Jeanne's soul will ever be able to rest is for her spirit to slay the doppelganger, Jones, who resides inside her old body. Although Jones has incredible skills, having the ability to dodge and counterattack the very weapon style that her ethereal counterpart will use, Jeanne is able to do use spirit abilities as well. Additionally, there is some element of the entity known as Jones that -wants- to be reunited with its former other half, and in the end, in a climactic fight scene taking place on top of the Annan Bridge, Jones and Jeanne will kill each other, and reunite, and Muut will take the satisfied soul off to the ethereum with Annie's help. Because Muut is cool like that.
And in the process of the fight, the Annan Divide will be re-sealed, the magics holding it apart being destroyed in the fight. The Curse of the Annan waters will be lifted, and Ysengrin will be trapped forever underground at the bottom of the former crevice. Coyote will come out of the forest and meet with Annie and everyone will decide to live in peace and harmony once more, thus reuniting the duality of human nature just as Jeanne and Jones are reunited as one.
But then in the very last frame of the comic, you will see Ysengrin's little tree-hand coming up out of the ground... DUN DUN DUNNNN!
THERE, HOW'S THAT FOR WILD SPECULATION!?
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Post by Nemmy on Jul 31, 2009 18:52:32 GMT
I like it! *clap clap clap*
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Post by Ulysses on Jul 31, 2009 18:57:53 GMT
Your speculation is very wild.
I LIKE IT!
I bet Jeanne and Jones turn out to not be linked at all. That's not wild speculation, it's just me being pessimistic.
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Post by Nemmy on Jul 31, 2009 19:02:08 GMT
Well, of course, once one says something out loud, it can never, ever happen. Those are The Rules. Even if Tom had the next page all ready to go with a huuuge outing of Jones=Jeanne etcetera, it's pointless, now, and must be scrapped and there is much cursing and re-writing and turning it into a red herring.
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Post by Ulysses on Jul 31, 2009 20:38:46 GMT
I bet Tom is right now redoing the next 3 months worth of material. You've ruined the whole thing Casey!
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Post by coyotagoat on Jul 31, 2009 21:18:12 GMT
Ketrak shows up the instant an insect dies. As far as we know, The same can be said of other guides and their respective charges. We don't know how long Annie was in the Ravine before Muut showed up. But somehow, Jeanne stayed down in the ravine long enough to lose a great deal of her identity. Why could the guides she belonged to not reach her? The last time we saw a guide dispute was someone who belonged to two guides, and needed to be shown the way, but they knew Martin. He just wouldn't let them approach him. I like this whole theory alot, and could maybe clear up this part. It may not necessarily be who Jeanne belongs to that determines who takes her, it may be who she BELIEVES in that is important. As a medium, she would believe in all of them, as a group, and so did not have a certain culture dominated by a certain psychopomp. In Martens case, he eventually had to choose who he believed in more.
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Post by pepoluan on Aug 1, 2009 8:28:26 GMT
Ketrak shows up the instant an insect dies. As far as we know, The same can be said of other guides and their respective charges. We don't know how long Annie was in the Ravine before Muut showed up. But somehow, Jeanne stayed down in the ravine long enough to lose a great deal of her identity. Why could the guides she belonged to not reach her? The last time we saw a guide dispute was someone who belonged to two guides, and needed to be shown the way, but they knew Martin. He just wouldn't let them approach him. I like this whole theory alot, and could maybe clear up this part. It may not necessarily be who Jeanne belongs to that determines who takes her, it may be who she BELIEVES in that is important. As a medium, she would believe in all of them, as a group, and so did not have a certain culture dominated by a certain psychopomp. In Martens case, he eventually had to choose who he believed in more. The only hole in this theory is that it seemed not even Muut knew her name. In the hospital story, we can see that Muut knew the name of a dying patient. However in Annie's 'confrontation' with Muut, merely giving him Jeanne's name is already a big help for him. That said, I suddenly recall that in the same page where Muut was visiting the dying patient, there's a mention that Anthony said that the patient will be leaving tomorrow. I am on my phone so it's very troublesome to search for that page. Can someone check it out? Because that leads me to a nagging question: is it possible that Anthony can find out exactly when one dies?
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Post by Casey on Aug 1, 2009 8:32:10 GMT
I think it's more likely that it simply means he's a doctor and can tell when a patient is terminal. Anthony had/has no patience for anything ethereal, according to Jones.
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Post by pepoluan on Aug 1, 2009 8:37:01 GMT
And yes, by explaining everything, Casey has effectively ended GC's existence. Now something weirder will take its place. (Fans of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy will understand what I just said )
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Post by guyy on Aug 1, 2009 11:59:31 GMT
And yes, by explaining everything, Casey has effectively ended GC's existence. Now something weirder will take its place. No, that already happened. That's why it's so weird and confusing as it is. Though to be a complete epic speculation, it still needs an explanation for why Surma/Anja/Donald/Eglamore/etc. apparently knew Jones as kids, with some implication that Jones was also a kid at the time. Very slow aging doesn't work, because why would she still be a kid after hundreds of years, then grow up completely in a couple decades? Hm...maybe she ages cyclically, repeatedly growing old, then young again!
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Post by Casey on Aug 1, 2009 15:53:08 GMT
it still needs an explanation for why Surma/Anja/Donald/Eglamore/etc. apparently knew Jones as kids, with some implication that Jones was also a kid at the time. Sorry, could you provide a link for where this is implied?
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Post by bisected8 on Aug 1, 2009 17:10:36 GMT
Well they wanted to have her in the photo. Having a teacher or other staff member in it would be a bit strange...
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Post by Casey on Aug 1, 2009 18:11:20 GMT
Would it?
Besides, remember, there's a decent argument to be made, when you remember the context of that chapter, that Tom's purpose in putting that line in there at all was to once and for all completely kill the still at that time ongoing speculation that the girl in the photo (Brinnie) was Jones.
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Post by Jiminiminy on Aug 1, 2009 19:41:17 GMT
And yes, by explaining everything, Casey has effectively ended GC's existence. Now something weirder will take its place. There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the entire GKC story line is, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened several times. On the mention as to whether Jones is as old as the rest of them, I must make a note of the Jones and Elgamore predicament. Personally, I don't think that Jones fits the classification of a 'cougar' and thus I am under the impression that she is at least a similar age as Donnie, Surma, Carver, and all the rest. Why can't she just be an emotionless, impartial, and very observant person? I certainly am, and no one has doubted my humanity.
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Post by Casey on Aug 1, 2009 19:47:31 GMT
Why can't she just be an emotionless, impartial, and very observant person? I certainly am, and no one has doubted my humanity. Two reasons. One: she deflected a broadsword with her FACE.Two: This is Wild Spec, so by their nature, these speculations are... wild.
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Post by Jiminiminy on Aug 1, 2009 20:00:11 GMT
One time I deflected a baseball bat with my shoulder when a person tried to mug me, but I suppose that's somewhat irrelevant. And if speculations are intended to be wild, I hereby decree that that dog made of wood is actually Ysengrin, or at least somewhat related to him. This is because he is a dog and he is made of wood, like our favourite wolf-tree.
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Post by guyy on Aug 1, 2009 20:43:57 GMT
Would it? Besides, remember, there's a decent argument to be made, when you remember the context of that chapter, that Tom's purpose in putting that line in there at all was to once and for all completely kill the still at that time ongoing speculation that the girl in the photo (Brinnie) was Jones. Yeah, I think wanting to have a mysterious, somewhat antisocial adult stuck into a school picture of a bunch of kids would be pretty odd. And Brinnie is pointed out on the very next page, with the footnote "mystery solved," so I don't think that's the reason for the Jones line. (I guess someone might think Brinnie is Jones, but that's kind of a stretch; their personalities are completely different, and as far as we know Jones can't teleport.) There could be two Joneses, one of which is a normal human, but that just seems too sneaky. Jones was almost certainly a kid in the time of chapter 22...but don't think of it as a problem, think of it as an opportunity for more wild speculation.
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Post by Ulysses on Aug 1, 2009 22:59:18 GMT
Perhaps what the Headmaster was referring to back in Fangs of Summertime was the Jones has made herself impervious to harm, and that an unforeseen by-product of this is that she is also impervious to...what would you call it...emotional interference? By which I mean that nothing anyone says can affect her in any way, either positive or negative. That's why she's so good at training mediums - she has no tells. I think that because of this effect she has not aged mentally and has always been so stoical or, and I hesitate to use the word, unemotional. This might also explain her rather unsubtle method of match-making i.e. 'push one into the other', previously seen being employed by both Annie and Young Surma. It's a very teenage thing to do.
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Post by fuzzyone on Aug 2, 2009 8:51:31 GMT
One thing to remember in regards to the line in Chapter 22... It could QUITE easily be a misleading thing. The 'Jones' in question may not be the Jones we know at all. Jones IS, after all, a very common name. It's not unheard of for someone to be referred to by their Family name. In some cases, say, in the event of an also common first name, they may prefer to be called by their family name to alleviate some confusion in crowds where there are likely to be many others with the same name... IE, Kathy, Amy, Julie, Amanda, or other such popular girls' names... Perhaps the Jones they were referring to was a classmate, yes, but not at all connected to, or related to, The adult woman Jones.
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Post by pepoluan on Aug 2, 2009 9:57:57 GMT
Perhaps what the Headmaster was referring to back in Fangs of Summertime was the Jones has made herself impervious to harm, and that an unforeseen by-product of this is that she is also impervious to...what would you call it...emotional interference? ... This might also explain her rather unsubtle method of match-making i.e. 'push one into the other', previously seen being employed by both Annie and Young Surma. It's a very teenage thing to do. On the other hand, despite Jones' blunt ways, sometimes she is very receptive of the emotional state of others. Like how she skillfully finessed Randy's approach without shooting the man down outright, or the seemingly tenderness she had when she had to interrupt James' swordmanship class. With Parley+Smit, she obviously thought that subtleness is useless for these two moonstruck teenagers who don't want to subsume their feelings. Annie tried to make Parley+Smit an item in a rather subtle way, but Jones decided to hell with subtleness, just push them together -- with flowers as catalyst. She's a first-class expert at manipulating others' emotions, if you ask me. And whatever she did that rendered her impervious to weapons... That would explain why she never smiled.
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Post by bisected8 on Aug 2, 2009 14:51:05 GMT
Or maybe she is simply very calm and detached and mastered a martial art that is effective against armed opponents (there are quite a few, and they do work). Just because she appeared to deflect a sword with her face doesn't mean she did (all martial arts have their tricks, making them look like magic's half the "fun").
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