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Jones
Feb 27, 2010 21:37:06 GMT
Post by meadcd on Feb 27, 2010 21:37:06 GMT
Greetings all, I'm new. Well, new to the forum, anyways. Question for you all: In discussing the story, has anyone noticed that Jones, in comic 577 www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=577 refers to Reynardine in the same way that Coyote does? as "Renard?" if there's already been discussion on this, can someone lead me to a thread? if not, what do you guys think this might mean about jones? a slip up from tom, perhaps, or a deliberate planted clue as to her identity?
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Jones
Feb 27, 2010 22:42:28 GMT
Post by Casey on Feb 27, 2010 22:42:28 GMT
I don't think anyone's discussed it before, and yes I agree it could very well be significant. I also doubt that it's an inadvertent slip-up on Tom's part. What it could mean, we can only speculate, but I do agree that it likely means something.
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Jones
Feb 28, 2010 0:26:37 GMT
Post by chiparoo on Feb 28, 2010 0:26:37 GMT
I don't know if it can lead very far as a clue to her identity. I think it gives us a bit of a clue about her nature. We already know that even coyote doesn't know what she is.
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Jones
Feb 28, 2010 1:12:42 GMT
Post by Mezzaphor on Feb 28, 2010 1:12:42 GMT
Part of the significance of the two names is that Renard is what he called himself prior to leaving Gillitie for the Court, and he started calling himself Reynardine after he severed ties with the Wood. There may be more there, but at the very least, Jones calling him Renard tells us that they knew each other back when he still called the forest home.
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Jones
Feb 28, 2010 1:27:00 GMT
Post by Casey on Feb 28, 2010 1:27:00 GMT
Which makes sense, because those events happened within the lifetimes of Surma's generation. It would follow, then, that if Reynardine started calling himself Reynardine when he left the Forest, and if that happened within the last 20 years, then anyone who knew him more than 20 years ago would call him Renard. Including Jones.
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nijimei
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Jones
Feb 28, 2010 6:21:10 GMT
Post by nijimei on Feb 28, 2010 6:21:10 GMT
I'm guessing that it may just be because "Renard" refers to his original, "true"form in mythology (or in this universe, you get what I mean) and Jones is just a stickler for that.
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Ruushi
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Jones
Feb 28, 2010 17:48:08 GMT
Post by Ruushi on Feb 28, 2010 17:48:08 GMT
There's a substitute teacher atmy school named Jones. All the kids love her.
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Fen
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Jones
Feb 28, 2010 19:32:28 GMT
Post by Fen on Feb 28, 2010 19:32:28 GMT
I don't know if it can lead very far as a clue to her identity. I think it gives us a bit of a clue about her nature. We already know that even coyote doesn't know what she is.At the risk of being excessively nit-picky, we don't know that Coyote doesn't know what she is. We only know that Reynard doesn't think Coyote knows what she is.
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Jones
Feb 28, 2010 20:09:18 GMT
Post by La Goon on Feb 28, 2010 20:09:18 GMT
Hmm, just a wild thought: Does Reymadine's remark hint that Jones at some point has caused Coyote confusion, and the scene was witnessed by Rey?
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Fen
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Jones
Feb 28, 2010 23:09:07 GMT
Post by Fen on Feb 28, 2010 23:09:07 GMT
There's a substitute teacher atmy school named Jones. All the kids love her. Can she block swords with her face?
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Ruushi
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Jones
Feb 28, 2010 23:54:18 GMT
Post by Ruushi on Feb 28, 2010 23:54:18 GMT
My school has no fencing/sword classes. So I wouldn't know.
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Jones
Mar 1, 2010 15:11:39 GMT
Post by the bandit on Mar 1, 2010 15:11:39 GMT
Part of the significance of the two names is that Renard is what he called himself prior to leaving Gillitie for the Court, and he started calling himself Reynardine after he severed ties with the Wood. There may be more there, but at the very least, Jones calling him Renard tells us that they knew each other back when he still called the forest home. This. Renard says they've known each other a while now (Panel 6). Also Reynardine and Jones seemed very familiar in conversation, and yet Reynardine was expressing slight disappoint at Jones still being at the Court, meaning they knew each other previous to his captivity but hadn't interacted since.
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Jones
Mar 1, 2010 19:14:31 GMT
Post by Mishmash on Mar 1, 2010 19:14:31 GMT
Just to be difficult I am going to ask if we actually know Rey was disappointed to see her in the Court. All I remember is him saying "A shame to see..." We didn't know what was a shame to see, did we?
Anyway yes, I take the use of his old name 'Renard' as an indication that Jones knew him when he still lived in the forest.
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Jones
Mar 1, 2010 19:54:08 GMT
Post by meadcd on Mar 1, 2010 19:54:08 GMT
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Jones
Mar 1, 2010 21:37:45 GMT
Post by evilanagram on Mar 1, 2010 21:37:45 GMT
The page you linked to shows that Renard does not think she's beholden to anyone. Jones says, "I'm not beholden to anyone, Renard, you know that." (emphasis mine) This implies that Renard might have asked her about her romantic life, despite knowing full well she's not committed to anyone.
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Jones
Mar 1, 2010 22:37:56 GMT
Post by the bandit on Mar 1, 2010 22:37:56 GMT
See, my inference was that she was referring to her not being beholden to the Court. This is merely one of several possible inferences from that clip of dialogue, so yes Mishmash we don't know for sure. Another possible inference, as evilanagram points out, is romantic. ("Still. A shame to see ... a girl like you unattached, Jones.") However, I think it's a reference to the Court as her being neither Court nor Woods was a plot point brought up in our first look at Jones.
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