preus
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Post by preus on Jan 6, 2010 23:53:05 GMT
Okay, everybody try posting the word spellt Y-O-U-R.
Mr. Siddell has been having fun with the censoring features, methinks.
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Post by warrl on Jan 7, 2010 0:51:27 GMT
Yes, that hath been going on for some time now, and milord Tom doth get it wrong. The substitution should be "thy", not "thine". (The latter being more properly "yours".)
"Thy" modifieth a noun, where "thine" standeth normally alone. This is thy coat; the coat is thine. However, "thine" fitteth also as an emphatic form, oft in combination with another word: this is thine own sweet child. But one useth not the emphatic form on every occasion.
Sadly, modern English mappeth not well to yon archaic forms. Even when a writer doth scribe the modern forms correctly, bereft of such lapses as a confusion between "your" and "you're".
To wit, "thou" doth see proper use as the subject of thy sentence, while "thee" serveth as the object. Thou dost something. I do something to thee. Yet those constrained to modern forms perforce use the same word in both cases. And since the computer hath not the sense to distinguish, it cannot convert from the modern usage to the ancient.
Also please do thy conjugations correctly. "-th" and "-eth" are not for "I" or "thou", befitting only a third part. "-st" and "-est" are for "thou" only, and not when the pronoun itself fitteth not save for emphasis (see thou the first sentence of this paragraph). Plural forms - whether for us, you, or them - are as in later days. And pile not the old conjugations together with the newer: it lookseth and soundeths neither correct nor pleasant.
(Now I hope I got all that right.) (Except "lookseth and soundeths" which was on purpose.)
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Post by Yin on Jan 7, 2010 1:46:36 GMT
Warrl, thou doeth us a service with thy archaic grammar lesson.
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Post by nikita on Jan 7, 2010 1:53:36 GMT
Funny thing is, that the usage of thine, thou etc. might be easier for someone whose first language is something like german which still has those words: thou = du thy/thine = dein thee = dir and I have = ich habe thou hast = du hast he hath = er hat Regarding the your-thine replacement in the forum: I think it's funny! The only real problem is, if you want to use "your" as a plural form of "thy". But you can work around it by using a special whitespace like the non-breaking space directly afterwards: your This will look like "your " but the form doesn't recognize it as "your". PS: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou
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Post by judgedeadd on Jan 7, 2010 5:44:29 GMT
Yоur assistance has been greatly helpful, warrl. Thanks for yоur explanations! Yоur...
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Post by the bandit on Jan 7, 2010 15:44:53 GMT
Awesome, warrl. <3
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Post by warrl on Jan 8, 2010 5:33:27 GMT
I thank ye all for this praise, for verily, 'twas a bitch to write.
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Post by King Mir on Jan 8, 2010 7:02:16 GMT
I must disagree with thine explanation on one point, which is that this sentence is correct, despite using 'thine' in place of 'your', because it is correct to use thine when the following sound is a vowel.
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Post by idonotlikepeas on Jan 8, 2010 14:54:30 GMT
The second person familiar is actually pretty common. It bothers me sometimes that English has, for the most part, done away with it.
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Post by Casey on Jan 8, 2010 14:58:26 GMT
Thy and thine follow the exact same rules as my and mine... I'm not sure why there needs to be a big to-do about it.
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Post by Yin on Jan 8, 2010 15:17:34 GMT
Hey, thou'rt back! Yay!
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coyotagoat
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Post by coyotagoat on Jan 9, 2010 5:26:21 GMT
More language history yay!! Our 'you' was originally used only in the plural, thine being singular, but at some point 'thine' and 'thou' gained a derogatory connotation, used when speaking down to someone. It is used in this fashion many times in shakespeare's work!
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Post by King Mir on Jan 9, 2010 17:47:24 GMT
Thy and thine follow the exact same rules as my and mine... I'm not sure why there needs to be a big to-do about it. As I said two posts above, not quite. At least not in modern usage. Before a vowel, thine is used in place of thy or your. Thy coat, but thine honor. My and mine used to be the same: my coat, mine honor, but this has fallen out of use.
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Post by Casey on Jan 10, 2010 3:02:10 GMT
So in other words... Thy and thine follow the exact same rules as my and mine. Like I said.
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Post by todd on Jan 10, 2010 11:33:02 GMT
I think that Tom (or whoever put that piece of programming in) should end the joke and let us be able to type the regular word again. All the "thines" draw the eye away towards that word and away from the sentence in which it's being used, which is distracting.
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