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Post by bigglesworth on Mar 24, 2007 13:10:19 GMT
I've just read through the entirety of Gunnerkrigg Court, and some of the forum, and there are a few things i'm surprised aren't mentioned:
1. The similarity of GC to castle gormengast
2. The similarity of Krigg to Krieg, german for war.
Btw i'm new, so hi!
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Post by Yin on Mar 24, 2007 13:18:16 GMT
*waves hand* Teacher, I don't know what Gormenghast is!
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Post by bigglesworth on Mar 24, 2007 13:23:37 GMT
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Post by mrw on Mar 24, 2007 13:34:12 GMT
Huh, interesting! Didn't know about it, but it looks fascinating. Thanks for pointing it out!
My first thought is that the similiarities represent "convergent evolution", so to speak (in other words, coincidental), because large sprawling mysterious complexes are such an ideal setting for nearly anything. The city of Gondor in the Lord of the Rings also comes to mind when seeing Gormenghast, and quite a few real-world European cities. Seems like a common (as in frequently occuring) theme which is in no danger of ever becoming boring.
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Post by bigglesworth on Mar 24, 2007 13:39:17 GMT
boring? - no way.
the difference between gondor and european cities, and GC and gg, is that the last two seem to have some sort of mysterious purpose apart from a place to live...
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Post by mrw on Mar 24, 2007 13:53:46 GMT
Actually, that's what I said - NO danger of becoming boring, as in definitely NOT boring. Sorry for the confusion ... I'm not really awake yet...  Rambling on, just because something is "common", doesn't make it necessarily less interesting or worthwhile. Take sex as an example. I meant these themes (large mysterious complexes and the like) are frequently encountered because they are inherently fun and interesting. Really, I wasn't trying to knock it - I'm just not being very clear I guess. edit: Note to self: drink coffee before computing... |
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Post by bigglesworth on Mar 24, 2007 14:09:02 GMT
no, i got what you said the first time, just agreeing with it.
Also, does anyone have any idea why it is a court, apart from a cout being an area of land?
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Post by La Poire on Mar 26, 2007 20:35:44 GMT
No one really knows. Hopefully we'll find out!
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Post by fjodor on Mar 27, 2007 19:22:15 GMT
Court:
# an assembly (including one or more judges) to conduct judicial business
# the sovereign and his advisers who are the governing power of a state
# a specially marked horizontal area within which a game is played; "players had to reserve a court in advance"
# a room in which a lawcourt sits; "television cameras were admitted in the courtroom"
# an area wholly or partly surrounded by walls or buildings; "the house was built around an inner court"
# the residence of a sovereign or nobleman; "the king will visit the duke's court"
# the family and retinue of a sovereign or prince
# woo: make amorous advances towards; "John is courting Mary"
# motor hotel: a hotel for motorists; provides direct access from rooms to parking area
# Australian woman tennis player who won many major championships (born in 1947)
# woo: seek someone's favor; "China is wooing Russia"
# respectful deference; "pay court to the emperor"
# engage in social activities leading to marriage; "We were courting for over ten years"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
I guess there could be some sort of castle in the centre.
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Post by Count Casimir on Mar 28, 2007 0:57:01 GMT
# the residence of a sovereign or nobleman; "the king will visit the duke's court" Hmmmmmm.... |
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Post by fjodor on Mar 28, 2007 21:39:42 GMT
hail Wikipedia:
Gunner:
- Gunner refers to a rank in the Royal Artillery, or can refer to anyone whose main job is to operate a gun or other firearms. It also is the term used to describe a soldier belonging to the RAF Regiment in the United Kingdom.
- A gunner, especially in medical schools, dental schools, law schools, and other professional schools, is a person who is competitive, and overly-ambitious. Often, gunners sit in the front row of a lecture hall, from where they continually and enthusiastically "shoot" questions (as if through a gun) at the professor. A gunner will compromise peer relationships in order to obtain recognition and praise from instructors and superiors.
The latter description reminds me of at least one of the GC characters...
"Crag" is straightforward I think.
[speculation mode on]
If Gunnerkrigg Court was originally a castle, what was it defending?
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Post by UbiquitousDragon on Mar 28, 2007 22:40:03 GMT
All very well saying it's sort of like a castle, but wasn't everyone in Gormenghast mad and trying (and often succeeding) to kill each other. Sorry to put a dampner on it.
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Post by iralie on Mar 29, 2007 18:43:08 GMT
Yeah, that just about sums Gormenghast up, it was a tale of deterioration and decline; also murder and insanity.
The BBC's TV adaption of Gormenghast (the book, not the series) was rather good.
Edit - Oh, and Gormenghast Castle seemed to have more greenery and open spaces than Gunnerkrigg court does.
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Post by bigglesworth on Mar 30, 2007 10:21:15 GMT
Well, they're not the same, despite having some similarities, but i wonder if Tom has read Gormenghast?
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Post by greist on Mar 30, 2007 15:22:51 GMT
I remember really loving some of the rooftop escapades, and the general descriptions of the castle in Gormenghast. GC isn't so oppressive, which is nice - it has that playground atmosphere. I guess the guys upthread are right that the imagery is fairly common, though it doesn't always turn up in the from of a sort of self contained world. Out of curiosity did those of you who read Grm carry on through the third book? I found it pretty horrific, as a reflection of Peake's mind anyway (maybe we can use developments in GC to try to infer changes in Tom's sanity, like disconnected celebrity watchers).
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Post by Hatredman on Feb 10, 2024 15:31:14 GMT
Wake up, dead man! Sorry to unearth such an ancient corpse, but I stumbled upon Gormenghast recently and would like to know if anybody here has seen later developments. I'm looking forward to reading the books, but since the last message in here (from 2007) there has been some developments. According to Wikipedia: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gormenghast_(series)- There is another novel, Titus Awakes, 2011. - There are several radio, TV and theater adaptations since the 1980s. There's even an Opera! But, most specifically - Neil Gaiman announced in 2018 that he would be adapting all the books to a new TV series. Anyone knows anything about this Gaiman announcement??
EDIT: may be of interest, the books are available on Amazon: |
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