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Post by eightyfour on Oct 5, 2009 14:47:45 GMT
eightyfour: Well, I can believe easily that this everything is just a "camping game." Camping is not school, there are different rules and this is totally within their limits. I have personal experience from (in Eastern Europe) so-called "Pioneer camps". Be sent to some camps where you enjoy two weeks of funny-but-for-someone-totally-scary experience is a normal way how to spend a part of summer. Some years ago, we were touring and I have seen a children tourist camp (children between 9-13) to have following game of the day: "The Day of the Triffids". The most children was blindfolded whole day and only one of every ten was kept seeing. The children had to manage collectively daily tasks as to take care about camp, cook a dinner, etc. It was something between fun and horror. In my opinion there's a significant difference between what you describe there and what's happening in the comic: With the usual camp games, the kids know it's just a game. And if they can't take it anymore, they always have otption to stop playing along. And this camping trip is fully organized and conducted by the school and on school grounds (if you consider the whole of Gunnerkrigg Court "school grounds"), so the same school rules should still apply. I don't doubt the educational value such games can have. However I do think having animated trees abduct children at night and then locking them up in a room without windows is way over the top, borderlining to cruel, actually.
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Post by jon77 on Oct 5, 2009 15:47:08 GMT
Where are the enigmatrons when you need them? They're down at the DMV urgently petitioning to have the T taken out of their name. Ah... um.... eh... I always thought they would enjoy having an extra bit of tea, especially in the afternoon, don't you? I mean, uh, despite their armlessness...
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Post by jon77 on Oct 5, 2009 15:48:48 GMT
Also damn, that is a nice TV that they have there in that mysterious room. The TV looks nice to us, but it must look sooooooooo primitive to kids who are used to Dr Disaster's simulations....
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Post by rageboy on Oct 5, 2009 15:54:59 GMT
I thought Annie was surprised by seeing a tree behind Kat, inside the room. Also, are the other kids gonna be somewhat startled by floaty letters hovering over Kat's hand? I would be. I thought so too, but eightyfour could be right. It could be an "I have an idea" look. She might have made the letters only appear for Kat. At first I was actually confused as to whose hand that was because it was coming in from the opposite side of Kat, but it's not really attached to anyone so I guess it's its own "frame"
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Post by thor on Oct 5, 2009 16:34:03 GMT
I'm not sure that this would have been arranged by the teachers. After all, what you are creating is a bunch of restless and captive adolescents forced together with no apparent chaperones.
The potential consequences range from the destructive to the reproductive.
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Post by Casey on Oct 5, 2009 16:38:34 GMT
I'm not sure that this would have been arranged by the teachers. After all, what you are creating is a bunch of restless and captive adolescents forced together with no apparent chaperones. The potential consequences range from the destructive to the reproductive. This made me chuckle
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Post by Vratislav on Oct 5, 2009 16:52:34 GMT
eightyfour: Well, I can believe easily that this everything is just a "camping game." Camping is not school, there are different rules and this is totally within their limits. I have personal experience from (in Eastern Europe) so-called "Pioneer camps". Be sent to some camps where you enjoy two weeks of funny-but-for-someone-totally-scary experience is a normal way how to spend a part of summer. Some years ago, we were touring and I have seen a children tourist camp (children between 9-13) to have following game of the day: "The Day of the Triffids". The most children was blindfolded whole day and only one of every ten was kept seeing. The children had to manage collectively daily tasks as to take care about camp, cook a dinner, etc. It was something between fun and horror. In my opinion there's a significant difference between what you describe there and what's happening in the comic: With the usual camp games, the kids know it's just a game. And if they can't take it anymore, they always have otption to stop playing along. And this camping trip is fully organized and conducted by the school and on school grounds (if you consider the whole of Gunnerkrigg Court "school grounds"), so the same school rules should still apply. I don't doubt the educational value such games can have. However I do think having animated trees abduct children at night and then locking them up in a room without windows is way over the top, borderlining to cruel, actually. I still have a feeling that this is something like a bit unusual camp game. And the point is just not to know that it is only a game. If we look to scene with emergency (where a "ghost" is mentioned), it seems scripted. Then how Marcia is absolutely uninterested about missing Janet here: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=618. She cannot be so mindless, not to take care about children at all, leaving them in tents. If there was a real danger, she could take them into the house or walk with them back to the Court. But, of course, we may wait till Wednesday to see more
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Post by wynne on Oct 5, 2009 20:32:40 GMT
From the look of things, Annie seems more surprised at the tree than anything else. The kids themselves seem fine; if anything they look bored out of their skulls. Well, at least Janet does.
I agree with eightyfour, though. If this is a trick by the teachers, it's unnecessarily cruel, even abusive. You can't just kidnap children in the middle of the night with horrific animated trees and stick them in a windowless room without some sort of scarring psychological effect, especially if the kid wasn't expecting it, as they would at a camp or a theme park.
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Post by bisected8 on Oct 5, 2009 20:47:52 GMT
From the look of things, Annie seems more surprised at the tree than anything else. The kids themselves seem fine; if anything they look bored out of their skulls. Well, at least Janet does. I agree with eightyfour, though. If this is a trick by the teachers, it's unnecessarily cruel, even abusive. You can't just kidnap children in the middle of the night with horrific animated trees and stick them in a windowless room without some sort of scarring psychological effect, especially if the kid wasn't expecting it, as they would at a camp or a theme park. You mean cruel like leaving the kids in cold tents and banning them from lighting a fire to keep warm? And sitting in a nice warm house when they're worried about one of them who's gone missing (either she was in on it and knew Janet's safe, or didn't care)? And making them walk when you get to ride a quad bike (quad bike riding's awesome, dammit!)?
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Post by the bandit on Oct 5, 2009 20:53:46 GMT
I agree with eightyfour, though. If this is a trick by the teachers, it's unnecessarily cruel, even abusive. I would have given my left kidney to be so abused as a kid.
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Post by wynne on Oct 5, 2009 21:03:13 GMT
You mean cruel like leaving the kids in cold tents and banning them from lighting a fire to keep warm? And sitting in a nice warm house when they're worried about one of them who's gone missing (either she was in on it and knew Janet's safe, or didn't care)? And making them walk when you get to ride a quad bike (quad bike riding's awesome, dammit!)? Ah, but you're forgetting, they did have quad bikes - NATURE's quad bikes!
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Post by seitosilver on Oct 5, 2009 21:46:05 GMT
I wouldn't be so sure. Remember the story about Hansel and Gretel, and all the nice foods the witch prepared for them? The TV is only there to pacify them and numb their minds, just like in real life! Wouldn't it be funny if the kids refused to be rescued because it would mean having to return to the inconvenience of camping?
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Post by todd on Oct 5, 2009 22:37:42 GMT
Then how Marcia is absolutely uninterested about missing Janet here: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=618. She cannot be so mindless, not to take care about children at all, leaving them in tents. If there was a real danger, she could take them into the house or walk with them back to the Court. Maybe she just doesn't like children much.
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Post by blue on Oct 5, 2009 22:46:56 GMT
At first I thought baldy was playing with a trii but then I realized the television didn't have a sensor bark.
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Oct 5, 2009 22:54:32 GMT
You can't just kidnap children in the middle of the night with horrific animated trees and stick them in a windowless room without some sort of scarring psychological effect, especially if the kid wasn't expecting it, as they would at a camp or a theme park. Well, we are talking here about the comic in which Mort scaring kids is considered a very significant duty and appointment. Which Annie has helped him with. Between "tree that took me and brought me to a place with better food and a hi-def TV" and "horrid clown that wanted to saw my eyes off" I'm not so sure that Paz would consider the former to be worse. I think the court may be following the "what doesn't kill you, only makes you stronger" philosophy.
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Post by Snes on Oct 5, 2009 23:04:11 GMT
KAT THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO
GO OVER TO THE TV AND CHECK IF LOST IS A NEW EPISODE TONIGHT
I NEED TO KNOW IF I SHOULD TELL REYNARDINE TO SET THE DVR
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Post by Jiminiminy on Oct 5, 2009 23:29:50 GMT
I'm not sure that this would have been arranged by the teachers. After all, what you are creating is a bunch of restless and captive adolescents forced together with no apparent chaperones. The potential consequences range from the destructive to the reproductive. That would be interesting, to say the least. Think of the explanations as a result of the latter! And my experiences last year prove that the first, at least, would be probable. KAT THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO GO OVER TO THE TV AND CHECK IF LOST IS A NEW EPISODE TONIGHT I NEED TO KNOW IF I SHOULD TELL REYNARDINE TO SET THE DVR Of course! Locke always knows what to do! His fictional badassery can save us all! However I do think having animated trees abduct children at night and then locking them up in a room without windows is way over the top, borderlining to cruel, actually. No more cruel than sticking them out in the middle of nowhere, unable to create any sort of normal fire to stave off the cold. They don't seem well equipped to survive in the outdoors in the first place, let alone within random and strange restrictions enforced by laser cows. Also known as: HAHAHA CHILD NEGLECT HAHAHA If they had experience with this sort of thing I'm sure they'd be fine.
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Post by todd on Oct 5, 2009 23:57:23 GMT
Maybe the mysterious people behind the hidden room are an organization trying to rescue (as they see it) Gunnerkrigg's students from a boarding school filled with dangerous weirdness, whether they want to be rescued or not (and who'd interpret any protests they make as a sign of Stockholm Syndrome).
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Post by Jiminiminy on Oct 6, 2009 0:18:07 GMT
I read 'organization' and went 'Maybe Black Mesa!' but they probably wouldn't care.
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Post by bluemotion on Oct 6, 2009 0:45:03 GMT
-- that was a joke, haha, fat chance
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Post by mudmaniac on Oct 6, 2009 1:48:57 GMT
-- that was a joke, haha, fat chance Anyways this cake is great!
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Post by Snes on Oct 6, 2009 3:15:38 GMT
-- that was a joke, haha, fat chance Anyways this cake is great! It's so delicious and moist.
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Post by zingbat on Oct 6, 2009 3:27:38 GMT
Anyways this cake is great! It's so delicious and moist. Look at me, still talking while there's science to do... Actually, that sounds like something Kat would say. ...no, I really do have something to add. My thought is this: maybe the room they're all trapped in is under Young's monument! They're in his... tomb. Burial chamber. Something. Okay, I know it's pretty wild. I think I got the idea because people were talking about how the room the kids are in looks man-made, so maybe it's actually an abandoned, Court-created room. Also, it has no windows, which is making me think "underground". But what would an abandoned room be doing under a park? And my brain sort of took off from there. I guess a television isn't something you usually see in a tomb, though. Well, maybe it's not a tomb, maybe Young's monument is the hidden entrance to some sort of complex. And maybe that's why the laser cows don't tidy the monument, it's to keep the entrance disguised. ...OH EM GEE you guys, they've found the laser cows' secret base
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Post by Snes on Oct 6, 2009 4:39:49 GMT
Look at me, still talking while there's science to do... Actually, that sounds like something Kat would say. ...no, I really do have something to add. My thought is this: maybe the room they're all trapped in is under Young's monument! They're in his... tomb. Burial chamber. Something. Okay, I know it's pretty wild. I think I got the idea because people were talking about how the room the kids are in looks man-made, so maybe it's actually an abandoned, Court-created room. Also, it has no windows, which is making me think "underground". But what would an abandoned room be doing under a park? And my brain sort of took off from there. I guess a television isn't something you usually see in a tomb, though. Well, maybe it's not a tomb, maybe Young's monument is the hidden entrance to some sort of complex. And maybe that's why the laser cows don't tidy the monument, it's to keep the entrance disguised. ...OH EM GEE you guys, they've found the laser cows' secret base No windows =/= underground. It just means the room is not located on the edge of the building. Hmmm....what building is large enough to have interior rooms, yet be close enough as to be relevant to the story...
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Post by bisected8 on Oct 6, 2009 7:25:24 GMT
Look at me, still talking while there's science to do... Actually, that sounds like something Kat would say. ...no, I really do have something to add. My thought is this: maybe the room they're all trapped in is under Young's monument! They're in his... tomb. Burial chamber. Something. Okay, I know it's pretty wild. I think I got the idea because people were talking about how the room the kids are in looks man-made, so maybe it's actually an abandoned, Court-created room. Also, it has no windows, which is making me think "underground". But what would an abandoned room be doing under a park? And my brain sort of took off from there. I guess a television isn't something you usually see in a tomb, though. Well, maybe it's not a tomb, maybe Young's monument is the hidden entrance to some sort of complex. And maybe that's why the laser cows don't tidy the monument, it's to keep the entrance disguised. ...OH EM GEE you guys, they've found the laser cows' secret base No windows =/= underground. It just means the room is not located on the edge of the building. Hmmm....what building is large enough to have interior rooms, yet be close enough as to be relevant to the story... Given Kat went strait there, she could have been teleported anywhere.
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Post by mudmaniac on Oct 6, 2009 7:55:14 GMT
No windows =/= underground. It just means the room is not located on the edge of the building. Hmmm....what building is large enough to have interior rooms, yet be close enough as to be relevant to the story... Given Kat went strait there, she could have been teleported anywhere. I'm less inclined to think teleportation, and more "Tree Root Pneumatic System". Like in Gummy Bears.
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Post by Goatmon on Oct 6, 2009 9:26:08 GMT
I agree with eightyfour, though. If this is a trick by the teachers, it's unnecessarily cruel, even abusive. You can't just kidnap children in the middle of the night with horrific animated trees and stick them in a windowless room without some sort of scarring psychological effect, especially if the kid wasn't expecting it, as they would at a camp or a theme park. I have to disagree, at least partially. While I think it is agreeable that the kids were all probably terrified at the initial encounter of being spirited away, there is nothing that suggests the kids are prisoners, or even distressed. They mostly just look bored.
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Post by Goatmon on Oct 6, 2009 9:29:26 GMT
No windows =/= underground. It just means the room is not located on the edge of the building. Hmmm....what building is large enough to have interior rooms, yet be close enough as to be relevant to the story... Given Kat went strait there, she could have been teleported anywhere. Assuming this is the work of the staff, they're probably in the house. There's plenty of room, from the look of the place. Furthermore, Marcia's refusal to offer shelter makes more sense if she's actually hiding the "missing" kids.
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Post by Mishmash on Oct 6, 2009 10:56:48 GMT
Wouldn't it be funny if the kids refused to be rescued because it would mean having to return to the inconvenience of camping? I like that idea and I think it could happen actually! I can certainly see it happening in the Real World, even if not in Gunnerkrigg Court.
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Post by Amethyst on Oct 6, 2009 17:18:14 GMT
That kid in the back is playing a Wii. Just sayin'.
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