mike
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Post by mike on Jul 20, 2009 16:05:47 GMT
Well, it's not like all of GC knows that Annie's little wolf toy is able to walk and talk. Oh, I'd imagine they do. They're kids, and rumors and gossip spread like wildfire among them. Those who are "etherically inclined" (or whatever the term was) don't seem all that shy about displaying their powers in common areas (recall Brinnie leaving to see the "old man"), and Rey certainly isn't shy about showing his abilities (recall him chasing the older kids who taunted Annie about carrying a stuffed toy). Regarding Jack, I think spending even a few minutes in Zimmingham would probably be enough to give me nightmares for months... I think it's reasonable to assume the experience aged him a bit, as well.
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Post by Dentrala on Jul 20, 2009 16:13:59 GMT
But Brinnie using her powers was seen as something very out of the ordinary by the other students. And in the occasion when Rey chased the other kids, they "absolutely did not expect thiisssssss!!!", and they wouldn't call it a stuffed toy if they knew it was reynardine. Chances are, they probably didn't even make the connection between the wolf and the plushie - as I remember, they were turned away as Reynardine turned into the wolf to chase them. I'm pretty sure very few people know about Renardine, such as Parley and Smitty and Kat, but it'd be hard to say if Zack is in on it too. There's also a decent chance that there's more reasoning behind it than his identity.
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Post by Casey on Jul 20, 2009 16:23:23 GMT
I'm surprised at those that think that Jack is just trying to look cool, esp. for Kat who isn't even here.
I'm pretty confident that what you're seeing is Jack still being haunted by his unwilling trip to Zimmy's nightmare world. I believe the next two pages will probably bear that out.
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mike
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Post by mike on Jul 20, 2009 16:55:15 GMT
Actually, it was seen as a display put on by freaks-- the reactions of the other students showed far more disdain than surprise. It may not happen all the time, but the students have seen it before. In this case, it doesn't matter if they know it's Rey-- just that it "walks and talks". This might have been the first encounter between the rest of the student population and Rey, though. There was also the occasion of Zimmy outing Rey as possessing the toy to begin with, but the only people present were Zimmy, Gamma, Annie, and Kat, IIRC. It's possible the general population didn't find out about it from that incident. Here's the page it happens (Rey turns to his wolf form on the next page). It doesn't look like they're turned away to me. Another thing to consider-- they just ran into Jack, who was talking with some friends at the time. Obviously, they're in a common area, and Annie doesn't show any concern about people seeing a walking, talking plush toy before she scoots him around the corner from Jack. I think she's much more concerned about Rey making off-color remarks than she is about Jack knowing he's... animated.
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Post by Kuraru on Jul 20, 2009 19:03:37 GMT
For some reason, the lines around Jack's eyes make me think that he's somehow caught Zimmy's eye condition. He was in Zimmingham, and Gamma wasn't aware of his presence there, so something may have gone wrong and "infected" him with Zimmy's "disease".
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Post by pepoluan on Jul 20, 2009 19:37:25 GMT
For some reason, the lines around Jack's eyes make me think that he's somehow caught Zimmy's eye condition. He was in Zimmingham, and Gamma wasn't aware of his presence there, so something may have gone wrong and "infected" him with Zimmy's "disease". To me, his eyes look more like Gamma's than Zimmy's. Presumably, Gamma got it because she is trying to stay awake. If that's the case with Jack, one wonders why he also try to stay awake. Nightmares induced by Zimmingham? Or a latent etheric ability gets ignited by the brush with Zimmy's reality-altering power? Or maybe he's discovered the equations for the General Relativity Theory As Applied For The Etheric/Astral Plane, and has lost several nights of good sleep trying to test his theory? (I totally made up the last one as a tongue-in-cheek speculation, but if it turns out to be true, he'll need Kat to do a peer-review, and he might be asking for Annie's help to set up a meeting with Kat)
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Post by pepoluan on Jul 20, 2009 19:51:31 GMT
Now that you point it out... He's got one eyebrow from 451, and another from 471. Heheh, in 451 Tom told Jack to lower his eyebrows... Well, one out of two is a good progress
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Post by Casey on Jul 20, 2009 20:25:37 GMT
Jeanne is a spirit that the spirit guides don't understand...
Jones is a... thing... that minor dieties like Renard and Coyote have an answer for...
The odds that the two are related seem to be going up...
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Post by nickgoodway on Jul 20, 2009 20:30:11 GMT
To me Jack looks a lot like the frequently fired Gil in 'The Simpsons' (based on Jack Lemmon in 'Glengarry Glen Ross I believe), he has the same expression of waiting for the inevitable axe to fall.
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Post by Ulysses on Jul 20, 2009 21:15:33 GMT
he has such expressive eyebrows. him and smitty need to have a contest. They may be expressive, but they're completely immobile! They stay one up throughout the whole page. Is it just me, or do even Jack's other friends look worried about him? (panel 2). Well, the one we can see anyway. The other one just looks like
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Post by Per on Jul 20, 2009 22:39:19 GMT
The "Zac Efron" looked more like one of the Gallagher brothers to me. Maybe that shows my age or something.
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Post by strainofthought on Jul 20, 2009 22:54:31 GMT
Wednesday shall prove this out one way or the other, but my immediate gut reaction on seeing the way Jack approached Antimony is that he is about to ask her out.
I know, I know, he's been set up as Kat's love interest, but it'd be very convenient storytelling for a potential love interest for Antimony to show up just now, whether he has a chance or not. And even if Jack and Kat appear very compatible, what with how compatible Annie and Kat are it's easy enough to see that they could both like the same boy. And there's also the possibility that whatever experience Jack had in Zimmingham in some way turned him on to Kat's friend as being a very interesting girl.
Even after re-reading the page I retain the impression that he is about to do something socially risky and that Antimony is the object of his anxiety. I haven't gotten the impression that he is the sort to be so awkward when "merely" asking your object of affection's *friend* for advice in wooing her. What I do think is another very real possibility is that he is about to reveal his "etheric experiences" to Carver and ask for her help in dealing with them. But that wouldn't be as fitting as Jack asking Annie to have lunch with him for primarily romantic reasons at the end of a chapter about young love.
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Post by cantabile on Jul 20, 2009 23:12:57 GMT
Unfortunately for Jack, I don't think Annie will ever have feelings for someone that rival her love for Kat. :/
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Post by Rasselas on Jul 20, 2009 23:27:01 GMT
I like your observations, strainofthought. I was thinking something similar today. Couples-wise, what we've had in GC, they haven't exactly been interest-homogenous. Donald and Anja, sure, except she's also etherically inclined. Surma with Eglamore and then Anthony? Neither of the men are mediums, and Anthony is a surgeon. Even when Kat chose a boyfriend, it wasn't a tech wiz, it was bird-boy. Jack's been the only tech wiz guy we've met so far, but his trick with disabling the security might've been more similar to Annie's lockpicks than Kat's antigrav generator. So I'm saying it's not unlikely that he could be an interest either way.
Then again, he might be asking for Annie to deliver a message to Kat. The uneasiness seems not so much directed towards Annie (don't ask me how I read that from a webcomic panel).
Frankly, boyfriend or not, I feel it's time for Kat and Annie to assemble a veritable gang of fast friends. The previous generation sure was one. Except when Brinnie had to leave. And also Anthony had matters to attend to. Okay, maybe not so much.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jul 21, 2009 0:14:07 GMT
Jack goes out exploring all the time. Those lines around his eyes may just be due to sleep deprivation caused by his nocturnal explorations.
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Post by Per on Jul 21, 2009 0:16:52 GMT
Frankly, boyfriend or not, I feel it's time for Kat and Annie to assemble a veritable gang of fast friends. Besides the ghosts, shadows, robots and demons-in-a-doll?
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Post by rageboy on Jul 21, 2009 1:36:16 GMT
Jack goes out exploring all the time. Those lines around his eyes may just be due to sleep deprivation caused by his nocturnal explorations. Except he didn't show up as sleep deprived in the very comic you linked. I'd guess that if the nocturnal explorations were the reason for this, he'd always look haggard unless his explorations suddenly increased in frequency since Zimmingham. Also on page 471 immediately after the return he has the tired eyes, similar to Annie
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Post by pepoluan on Jul 21, 2009 3:07:28 GMT
Frankly, boyfriend or not, I feel it's time for Kat and Annie to assemble a veritable gang of fast friends. Besides the ghosts, shadows, robots and demons-in-a-doll? I think Rasselas meant the *human* friends
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Post by Goatmon on Jul 21, 2009 3:24:04 GMT
I'm really pleased to see Jack, even if he does look a little worse for the wear. I really liked him as a character. He's definitely aged a bit though, no doubt from his trip from Zimmingham. hahah, well put. On that subject, I'd wager he's probably been trying to have a talk with Annie, Kat, and anyone else who might know something about what went down at the Power Station. That's not the sort of thing you just forget about. It might also explain the sleep-deprived look.
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Post by Goatmon on Jul 21, 2009 3:26:29 GMT
Frankly, boyfriend or not, I feel it's time for Kat and Annie to assemble a veritable gang of fast friends. Besides the ghosts, shadows, robots and demons-in-a-doll? Don't forget gods, ex-fairies, and birds that used to be people.
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Post by popo on Jul 21, 2009 5:02:05 GMT
do the ex-fairies actually count as friends?
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Post by Yin on Jul 21, 2009 5:03:27 GMT
Acquaintances, certainly.
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Post by preus on Jul 21, 2009 10:36:36 GMT
Holy crap. I coined 'Zimmingham' in the comments way back in chapter 19. I had no idea people remembered that, let alone adopted it. I feel special.
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Post by sebastian on Jul 21, 2009 10:58:56 GMT
Tom has again neatly sidestepped our questions about Jones. Argh! Let's all go to Tom's place and extract information from him the Casino Royale way... Personally I love how Tom killed a speculation only to spring a thousand others with the "not even coyote could answer that" comment.
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Post by Rasselas on Jul 21, 2009 11:17:11 GMT
I think Rasselas meant the *human* friends Yeah, I mean, who's gonna be in her school picture?
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Post by artemisia on Jul 21, 2009 19:06:35 GMT
as rasselas stated "Couples-wise, what we've had in GC, they haven't exactly been interest-homogenous. Donald and Anja, sure, except she's also etherically inclined. Surma with Eglamore and then Anthony? Neither of the men are mediums, and Anthony is a surgeon. Even when Kat chose a boyfriend, it wasn't a tech wiz, it was bird-boy." To me these don't seem all that odd because when people get along well they cant understand everything about each other otherwise it would be boring. and some good friends would benefit Annie and Kat although a concern i would voice is how would they react when they find out about the odd things in Annie's personality. Would they be as understanding as Kat or for that matter as Surma's friends. i think they would more likely
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Post by Ulysses on Jul 21, 2009 19:24:14 GMT
Most likely what, Artemisia? Don't keep us in suspenders!
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Post by pepoluan on Jul 21, 2009 19:57:28 GMT
Drats. I never knew that you can leave a cliffhanger in the forums...
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Post by Casey on Jul 21, 2009 20:21:16 GMT
and some good friends would benefit Annie and Kat although a concern i would voice is how would they react when they find out about the odd things in Annie's personality. Would they be as understanding as Kat or for that matter as Surma's friends. i think they would more likely Translation: "Annie and Kat would benefit from having some good friends. I would, however, voice the concern of how such friends would react when they found out about the odd things in Annie's personality. Would they be as understanding as Kat is? Or for that matter, as understanding as Surma's friends were of her oddities? I think it is more likely that they would be as understanding." You're welcome.
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Post by fidodo on Jul 21, 2009 22:16:58 GMT
Every time I think this chapter is winding down something like this happens and I'm drawn back in!
Jack definitely looks affected by his zimmingham experience. Before I thought he looked very naive and innocent and now he looks scheming.
And I wouldn't typecast him into being a love interest for Kat. Opposites attract, and if he is similar to Kat, then the same things that makes Annie great friends with Kat could also apply to Jack.
I'd say anything can happen at this point, and I can't wait to see how this plays out! Tom is just amazing this chapter. I'm going to reread the power station chapter now that there's this new context.
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