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Post by Casey on Apr 16, 2009 17:49:07 GMT
When we start voting on auditions, I want to have a way of gauging how many people are actually out there voting so we'll know when we have enough votes to assume that we have a consensus. Therefore, please vote in this poll just so we can get a base count of how many people are following and voting in this project! Thanks!
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Post by Casey on Apr 17, 2009 16:48:59 GMT
As of the time of this post, the total voters are up to 16. I know there's more of you out there than that! Please add yourself to the tally!
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Post by reyo on Apr 19, 2009 20:39:42 GMT
So when we vote, do you want us to use some sort of format or are we able to go "I think *name here* should play *character name here*"?
Also, will we be required to give reasons why we voted for who we voted for?
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Post by Aricos on Apr 19, 2009 22:08:05 GMT
So when we vote, do you want us to use some sort of format or are we able to go "I think *name here* should play *character name here*"? Also, will we be required to give reasons why we voted for who we voted for? No! Don't tell publicly who you vote for! That will sway other people's opinions and we don't want that as that is unfair and you can get odd effects on votes *is a psychology student and knows about this stuff*. I don't know how the polls work on this forum, but if a poll won't disclose what the current tally is before you actually vote, we can just use that and have people do a 'participated in the poll' post so we know who voted, but not who they voted for. Does that make sense? |
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Post by reyo on Apr 19, 2009 22:59:14 GMT
So when we vote, do you want us to use some sort of format or are we able to go "I think *name here* should play *character name here*"? Also, will we be required to give reasons why we voted for who we voted for? No! Don't tell publicly who you vote for! That will sway other people's opinions and we don't want that as that is unfair and you can get odd effects on votes *is a psychology student and knows about this stuff*. I don't know how the polls work on this forum, but if a poll won't disclose what the current tally is before you actually vote, we can just use that and have people do a 'participated in the poll' post so we know who voted, but not who they voted for. Does that make sense? um...I guess... Is that how the polls around here work? |
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Post by Casey on Apr 19, 2009 23:07:27 GMT
Actually I'm glad you guys brought this up, and I suppose this is as good a place as any to discuss it.
I've been thinking about the actual method by which we will vote. My original intent was to use the forum's polling method (as demonstrated in this thread) to vote. However I've found two flaws with that idea. The first is that, in this particular forum software (I've used several others) there is only the capability of having one poll per thread. That would mean we'd have to have an individual thread for each role's voting... and there are sixty-some-odd-and-counting roles in the comic. Very spammy! The second problem is as Aricos pointed out... there is a psychological factor involved in being able to know who is winning before you vote. A truly blind vote would not allow you to see any results until the voting is over. We can debate about how important that really is in a fan project, but I have seen its effect in other projects before.
The only other method that I can see would be to vote via a private message to a vote-collector. I am happy to do this, since I'm coordinating all the vocal stuff anyway, but it would mean that everyone would have to trust my integrity and impartiality, and that's something that you all would have to decide on. I can definitely do the job fairly, but you all would have to believe that I can... my saying so isn't enough.
So think that over, and think about which of these two options you would personally like to go with, and let's try to reach a concensus of what we want to do before May 1 comes around. Let's use this thread to discuss this choice.
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Post by Ulysses on Apr 19, 2009 23:55:51 GMT
Given the nature of the polls on this forum I think PMing our votes to an impartial collector would be our best bet. I don't think there's a problem with you collecting them, Casey. You've put a lot of time into this project, I doubt anyone's going to suspect you of planning to sabotage it via the voice actors.
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Post by Aricos on Apr 20, 2009 2:48:34 GMT
PMing is probably best, unless it's possible to alter the polls after we're done with them. I trust Casey not to do silly things with the votes, like have boxbot and shadow2 speak all the lines (that would just be terrible!  ) |
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Post by reyo on Apr 20, 2009 7:45:47 GMT
Actually I'm glad you guys brought this up, and I suppose this is as good a place as any to discuss it. I've been thinking about the actual method by which we will vote. My original intent was to use the forum's polling method (as demonstrated in this thread) to vote. However I've found two flaws with that idea. The first is that, in this particular forum software (I've used several others) there is only the capability of having one poll per thread. That would mean we'd have to have an individual thread for each role's voting... and there are sixty-some-odd-and-counting roles in the comic. Very spammy! The second problem is as Aricos pointed out... there is a psychological factor involved in being able to know who is winning before you vote. A truly blind vote would not allow you to see any results until the voting is over. We can debate about how important that really is in a fan project, but I have seen its effect in other projects before. The only other method that I can see would be to vote via a private message to a vote-collector. I am happy to do this, since I'm coordinating all the vocal stuff anyway, but it would mean that everyone would have to trust my integrity and impartiality, and that's something that you all would have to decide on. I can definitely do the job fairly, but you all would have to believe that I can... my saying so isn't enough. So think that over, and think about which of these two options you would personally like to go with, and let's try to reach a concensus of what we want to do before May 1 comes around. Let's use this thread to discuss this choice. The only problem that I see with your idea of a PM vote is that the losers (and you know that there will be more than one) might come after you. There are some pretty sore losers who would most likely challenge your integrity for the sole reason of them not getting the part. I'm not trying to insinuate anything on anybody, but I am saying that it is a possibility. |
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Post by Aricos on Apr 20, 2009 8:10:23 GMT
The only problem that I see with your idea of a PM vote is that the losers (and you know that there will be more than one) might come after you. There are some pretty sore losers who would most likely challenge your integrity for the sole reason of them not getting the part. I'm not trying to insinuate anything on anybody, but I am saying that it is a possibility. Maybe instead of sending the vote to just one person, you send it to two 'vote collectors'? And then you get a tally by these people, so you know when there are discrepancies. And else people should just lighten up! It's just a project for shits and giggles anyway . No need to get butthurt if you don't get a part . |
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Post by reyo on Apr 20, 2009 8:42:37 GMT
The only problem that I see with your idea of a PM vote is that the losers (and you know that there will be more than one) might come after you. There are some pretty sore losers who would most likely challenge your integrity for the sole reason of them not getting the part. I'm not trying to insinuate anything on anybody, but I am saying that it is a possibility. Maybe instead of sending the vote to just one person, you send it to two 'vote collectors'? And then you get a tally by these people, so you know when there are discrepancies. And else people should just lighten up! It's just a project for shits and giggles anyway . No need to get butthurt if you don't get a part . That could work. If we had 2 or 3 people collecting votes, then it would eliminate the worry for miscounts and dishonesty. If 1 person out of the 3 displayed different results than the other two, then we'd know that there was either a miscount or dishonesty and that one person can either go back to recount their tallies or tell the truth. And if there were 2-3 people (who didn't know each other) reporting the same stats, then no one would be able to call shinanigans on the votes. Though there would have to be some tough requirements to be a vote collector. Here are some of my ideas: 1. Would have to have some influence or importance to the project. (They can't just be some random person who signed up 3 days ago and just so happened to wonder into the GKC fan project section.) I'm thinking a "min post count" requirement would help solve this. 2. Would not be able to vote. If the vote collector were able to vote, then theres a chance that the statistics handed in would be different from the other collectors. If they have to vote, then they would have to make it known by the other vote collector(s). 3. The vote collectors must not know each other past an anonymous username and a random picture. If two or more vote collectors were friends, then there'd be too much of a chance for them declaring each other the rights to certain parts. (ex. "Hey, I'll say that you won this part if you say that I won this part.") Now some rules: 1. If the vote collector has auditioned for a certain roll, then they must be prepared to lose that roll. There shouldn't be any "Aww I lost this roll? Well no one has to know, I'll just tell the others to put me down as the winner." This also complies with req 3 above. 2. The only PM that the vote collectors should honor are those left by voters. If they recieve one from another vote collector thet is anything but a vote, then it should be ignored. This means that each collector should only get one PM from each collector and the subject of that PM is to only be about who they are voting for which part. 3. The vote collectors are to send in their statistics at roughly the same time in their own threads. If need be, there will be collaboration over when this will happen. There should also be a 3rd-4th individual who is not a collector, but has the task of collaborating when the collectors will be posting their stats. The collectors will not be giving this individual the votes that they counted. The individual's roll is to make sure that the 2-3 collectors are at their computers at the same time and are prepared to write threads. When they both/all have the thread written out, but not submitted, the collectors will tell the individual. When the individual has all of the PMs signifying that the threads are ready to be submitted, they will send a group PM to all of the collectos to submit their thread at the same time. Right now, this is all I have. If you have more, feel free to add. This is just something I thought up on the spot. |
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Post by Yin on Apr 20, 2009 11:23:33 GMT
Hmm. Would it be possible if I were the other vote collector then? I've not auditioned and I'm equally friendly with everybody (and equally unfriendly with everyone). I've been keeping my eye on this (although not directly participating, since I don't have anything to contribute thus far) and I'd like to be able to help in some way.
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Post by Aricos on Apr 20, 2009 13:15:03 GMT
We could do this system: 1 grand pooha vote collector 2-3 vote collectors gazillion voters 1 "Vote collectors: insert character poll progress", a thread for vote collectors exclusively where they can note whose votes they have received (and only that! So they can't go blabbering what was voted) 1 "Grand pooha: insert character final tally + confirmation", a thread for grand pooha to tell what was the vote counts given by each vote collector and where the vote collectors can say 'yes, this is correct' or 'oh noes! Grand pooha is mistake prone !' What would be done is this: - Gazillion voters all send the vote collectors their votes (in other words, vote collectors get crazy-spammed) - Vote collectors modify their one post in the vote collectors thread to add who has cast a vote and the number of total voters, but not what the vote was (so nobody else is allowed to post in the vote collectors thread) - At closing time, vote collectors send in their total to grand pooha - Grand pooha announces in the grand pooah thread what the vote collectors said; Vote collectors modify their post and say 'what grand pooha said I send them is correct' (or not) I think this would work for the following reasons: - Blind voting - Lessened chance of cheatery - Everyone involved is kept quite honest as there is some social control (vote collectors can't make up tally as they are controlled by each other and grand pooha, but grand pooha also can't blab whatever, as they are also controlled by vote controllers) - There is now no need for all vote controllers to be around at the same time since the final tally is done by one grand pooha: vote collectors just have to confirm or bust what the grand pooha said about their votes. - There would be no need for gazilliony bucky threads. We would just have those two and modify the posts/header I think this may not work for the following reasons: - Freak circumstances make it so grand pooha and vote collectors are super budsters and they go scheming like mad... This is a good plan? Any suggestions welcome  |
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Post by Casey on Apr 20, 2009 13:25:57 GMT
Honestly I think this might be the part where Tom sweeps in and makes a comment about taking things way too seriously. Let's not over-engineer this process. We're all mature here, or we wouldn't be involved in the project (and if someone weren't mature, we probably could get by without them).
Since I have auditioned for a part, and may audition for more, on XanBcoo's insistence, I'd be fine with having Yin collect the votes. So the system would be simple: I'll put up a post like this:
1) Antimony
a) [person's name here]
b) [person's name here]
2) Robot
a) [person's name here]
b) [person's name here]
Et cetera, and then give instructions for sending your choices to Yin (all appropriate links included, of course, because I'm a link-a-maniac). Then a person would just have to PM saying 1) A, 2) A, or whatever. Nice and simple.
Voting will be open for a week when it opens, and I don't think there's any reason at all to reveal how the vote is going... we don't do it in political elections.
Let's just keep it nice and simple.
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Post by Aricos on Apr 21, 2009 19:12:15 GMT
Honestly I think this might be the part where Tom sweeps in and makes a comment about taking things way too seriously. But but! D:! Honesty is serious business! Don't you know that? I'm fine with Yin being our grandest of poohas (after Tom himself of course, for he did create the comic ). I might have gotten carried away with the voting thing (but you have to admit, it's a pretty awesome system of honesty, democracy and fairness  ). |
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Post by Casey on Apr 21, 2009 19:17:12 GMT
Never let your enthusiasm be stifled in any way, Aricos!
(And that goes for anything even beyond the GKCFP!)
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Post by Casey on Apr 30, 2009 17:23:07 GMT
I left this poll open for a week. That's how long the audition polls will be open. In that week, 23 people replied to this poll. This tells that 20-25 is the number of voters that we can expect to have voting on the auditions.
Since this is a relatively low number, Yin and I will make sure that we have at least 20 votes before we close polls on a certain week. It wouldn't be fair to anyone to close polls after getting, say, three votes total. This of course means that it's imperative on each of you to remember to come back and vote each week for the parts that will be chosen each week! So don't forget, that will start next week with the voting for Chapters 1 and 2.
This thread is now effectively defunct.
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