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Post by Trism on Jan 22, 2009 1:45:09 GMT
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Post by Trism on Jan 22, 2009 1:48:43 GMT
I start with my initial speculation that caused me to ask the question in the first place.
I think Kat isn't human, reasons being: She's very set in her beliefs foreign concepts can upset her. The first time I noticed this was when she didn't understand why noone was interested in her anti-gravity proteins.
I know Ms. Jones is probably the safe bet, but my suspicion is cast fully on Kat!
*Prepares to be pelted with fruit and various meats*
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Post by paracelsus on Jan 22, 2009 2:24:32 GMT
My money is with Kat too. Especially considering that Nobody scene where she wasn't a real person, a WAY back in Zimmy's most recent chapter.
Then again, Kat has shown emotion and has even fallen in love(or as close as one can get at such an age). The concept of a person who can love, laugh, and be happy and yet, not really be human is intriguing.
Then again, it could all be a big deception, and her apparent warmness and emotionality is simply the sum of all her parts.
It also occurs to me the mention of robots that run on etheric energy, and IF Kat is a robot, thus could be the case, giving her the emotions and everything else that we've observed.
I think that the idea of Kat being the robot and so full of personality, while Ms. Jones is actually human, while so lacking in personality would be one of the greatest 'bait and switch' plot devices in HISTORY.
Or maybe that's just because I'm so into the story.
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Post by Babble-jargon Bill on Jan 22, 2009 2:28:26 GMT
*Silences enormous crowd of Kat fans armed with rotten squash*
In all honesty, she does seem very set in her ways of sticking wholly to scientific explanation. Remember how peeved she got at Rey for explaining etheric tenets? Obviously she's loved science her whole life and isn't going to stand for some dumb stone* excreting on all of her beliefs. I think though that she will eventually turn around and except etheric...stuff...for what it is and she can get on with her gravity-defying protein and what not.
It really depends on what exactly she would be if non-human. Would she be whatever Jones is supposedly supposed to be? That is, an emotionless being that is adept at analyzing situations from a neutral stand-point for all we know. Kat has shown no small amount of emotion throughout the comic, once even remarking that she cries when she reads Batman! If she is non-human, then that means that one of her parents has to be non-human as well. And count adoption out people, cause there is no way an unrelated kid has that much resemblance to both parents. As for what other kind of race she could be, well, I don't know. She doesn't seem to have any sort of traits that sets her apart from other humans, aside from being incredibly smart.
And as for Ms. Jones, she could just be really good at concealing emotions for the sake of her job. She has to be neutral with everything, or else it would seem as though she were biased. She for all we know could cry when reading Batman when no one is around.
If you want my opinion, its Mr. Eglamore. I don't know why I have never seen anyone bring this up! The man has super strength, the ability to leap several metres in the air, travel at incredible speeds, and, I mean, just look at the guy! He's ripped! As well, he seems to be a bit emotionless himself. I think it may be because he wants to detach himself from humans or something like that, maybe due to some horrific lose (nudge nudge). In my opinion he is a trans-human, above the average person in any and every way. That means he is by no means a regular "human" by classification. As for how he got to be this way, well, this may belong in the wild speculation thread, but perhaps some sort of court experiment on him went horribly wrong? I'm looking at you Randy...
*I in no way support Kat's view on the blinker stone. As far as I am concerned the blinker stone is an embodiment of all things awesome.
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Post by zingbat on Jan 22, 2009 2:43:15 GMT
I feel like sticking to your guns to the point of plain old stubbornness is a very human thing to do, whether it's about blinker stones or protein. Also, Jones's face went "SKANG" that one time... |
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Post by Trism on Jan 22, 2009 2:45:51 GMT
The big argument against the "gosh golly Kat is a robot!" theory is that we have seen flashbacks of her youth as a child and she has been growing, however we do know that doesnt mean much.
Kat disbelieving that etheric forces and technolgy mixing would be a large irony if it turned out that thats how she was created, her parents are both scientifically minded and its become fairly clear that Anya has some proficiency in magics.
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Post by ecomono on Jan 22, 2009 2:59:35 GMT
The big argument against the "gosh golly Kat is a robot!" theory is that we have seen flashbacks of her youth as a child and she has been growing, however we do know that doesnt mean much. Kat disbelieving that etheric forces and technolgy mixing would be a large irony if it turned out that thats how she was created, her parents are both scientifically minded and its become fairly clear that Anya has some proficiency in magics. For what it's worth, Mr. Donlan can do magic, too. |
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Post by Trism on Jan 22, 2009 3:22:30 GMT
The big argument against the "gosh golly Kat is a robot!" theory is that we have seen flashbacks of her youth as a child and she has been growing, however we do know that doesnt mean much. Kat disbelieving that etheric forces and technolgy mixing would be a large irony if it turned out that thats how she was created, her parents are both scientifically minded and its become fairly clear that Anya has some proficiency in magics. For what it's worth, Mr. Donlan can do magic, too."gosh golly Kat's a robot" |
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Post by Count Casimir on Jan 22, 2009 4:22:50 GMT
I don't have as much to add as the rest of you, but I do have a few thoughts.
First, robots are not the only non-human beings in the comic.
Second, there's no guarantee that there's only ONE non-100BH
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Post by xolejh on Jan 22, 2009 5:07:07 GMT
My bet is on Mr Eglamore. Just a hunch, really. Ms Jones would be just too easy. The Donlans would be too weird. Mr Eglamore would work. Lemme see if I can't pull up some convincing evidence... www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=268He jumps really high. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=285His foot Cracks the ground on the swing of his sword. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=478Not quite aware of what he's doing. This may not be important though. Point is, he's not normal. That should be fairly obvious. Now, what if more than one of those people were abnormal? I think Mr Eglamore is more technologically powered, while Ms Jones is more magically powered. You know what? I give up. None of these people are normal human beings. Not even by a long shot. |
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Post by zingbat on Jan 22, 2009 8:10:55 GMT
haha, yeah, when you think about it, Kat and Jones could be the most "normal" out of the group, in the sense that they're the only ones *NOT* to have exhibited obvious magical or supernatural abilities!
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Post by fjodor on Jan 22, 2009 8:51:52 GMT
There is a fair chance that more than one of those mentioned in the list above have non-human qualities (95% human would still make the statement true, right?)
[extreme speculation mode = ON]
1: Anya tried to copy/enhance the robots made by Diego. Kat is the result of her efforts.
2: The magical looking power Anya and Donald possess, is really some sort of force field they can generate because they are BOTH robots (with really big batteries hidden somewhere). This would reinforce the first speculation about Kat.
3: Eglamore is mainly human, but gets his strength from android-like aumentations OR he is a former regional faerie with etherial powers that we do not know of yet
4: Jones is some sort of a demi-god or 'simply' a ghost. When she battled with Eglamore, she was cut, but recovered immediately, and she has medium-like abilities (I wondered why she wasn't the Court's new medium, but maybe she is some sort of ambassador from the 'other reality'.
[extreme speculation mode = OFF]
And what about these:
5: Zimmy: 0.02% chance of her being human
6: Gamma: probably 90% human
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[insane speculation mode = ON]
7: Annie: 49.98% chance that she is human
[insane speculation mode = OFF]
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Post by Dominic on Jan 22, 2009 9:40:51 GMT
haha, yeah, when you think about it, Kat and Jones could be the most "normal" out of the group, in the sense that they're the only ones *NOT* to have exhibited obvious magical or supernatural abilities! Except for the bit where Jones went CLANG. I'm going for either Jones or Eggers. Both might very well have their power from something else - becoming a Dragonslayer might just involve getting an armour of superpower  |
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Post by ecomono on Jan 22, 2009 10:57:08 GMT
I wondered why she wasn't the Court's new medium I just figured it was because she doesn't consider herself to be on the side of the Court. |
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Post by Trism on Jan 22, 2009 11:50:52 GMT
I never had any doubts about Annie. I'm 99.99% sure she's all human.
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Post by todd on Jan 22, 2009 12:01:05 GMT
I never had any doubts about Annie. I'm 99.99% sure she's all human. Well, as human as anyone with Annie's remarkable talents (being able to see the Guides, keep Zimmy's demons at bay - if not as well as Gamma, and wear that much make-up without looking like an underage tart) can be. I think that a lot of Kat fans (and we can safely assume from the evidence that almost all of the webcomic's readers are Kat fans) would be disappointed if she turned out to be a robot rather than a flesh-and-blood human. Though her emotional qualities certainly don't rule out her being a robot, in light of how we've seen the robots at Gunnerkrigg behave. If Jones *is* a robot, she's definitely the odd one out! |
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Post by penguinfactory on Jan 22, 2009 12:47:44 GMT
There's some truly wild speculation going on here.
I have to say, Jones is by far the most likely candidate for not being human. I have a feeling that Tom wouldn't have answered your question if it wasn't her, figuring that since everyone already supects her of being non-human in some way he wouldn't lose anything by coming out and saying it. Given how he usually doesn't answer plot-related questions, I seriously doubt it's Kat. In fact I'm sticking my neck out here and predicting that Kat is 100% human.
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Post by Tanya on Jan 22, 2009 16:25:24 GMT
as I've said once, I believe Eglamore is part robot part human, though I think he started up as being human and acquired robot-bionic parts through some misterious happenings. (I think this has to do with something that happened with Reynardine).
the joys of wildly speculating!
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Post by zingbat on Jan 22, 2009 16:56:20 GMT
haha, yeah, when you think about it, Kat and Jones could be the most "normal" out of the group, in the sense that they're the only ones *NOT* to have exhibited obvious magical or supernatural abilities! Except for the bit where Jones went CLANG. ... oh hey yeah. Oops.  I guess I was just thinking "A face made of metal? Well, sure, that could happen to anybody!"... except it usually doesn't. I suppose a metal face transplant just seems less... magical than force fields and super jumpy powers. Ah well. |
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Post by chelonianmonk on Jan 22, 2009 17:27:52 GMT
as I've said once, I believe Eglamore is part robot part human, though I think he started up as being human and acquired robot-bionic parts through some misterious happenings. (I think this has to do with something that happened with Reynardine). But would prosthetics make him non-human? |
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Post by Babble-jargon Bill on Jan 22, 2009 23:08:19 GMT
I feel like sticking to your guns to the point of plain old stubbornness is a very human thing to do, whether it's about blinker stones or protein. Also, Jones's face went "SKANG" that one time...I think all our faces have gone "skang!" at one point in time. |
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Post by Trism on Jan 22, 2009 23:13:00 GMT
I feel like sticking to your guns to the point of plain old stubbornness is a very human thing to do, whether it's about blinker stones or protein. Also, Jones's face went "SKANG" that one time...I think all our faces have gone "skang!" at one point in time. Normally after a heavy night on the grog, but moving right along.... |
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Post by nikita on Jan 23, 2009 1:09:59 GMT
I have an alternative question: Is any of them 100% human?
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Post by Tanya on Jan 23, 2009 1:29:37 GMT
as I've said once, I believe Eglamore is part robot part human, though I think he started up as being human and acquired robot-bionic parts through some misterious happenings. (I think this has to do with something that happened with Reynardine). But would prosthetics make him non-human? I was thinking more in the direction of the bionic man (does anyone here know what I'm refering to, or am I the oldest geezer here?) only etheric powers/means are involved as well. oh, and Trism - kudos on your question. It is one of the best asked questions on that thread! |
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Post by Max on Jan 23, 2009 3:28:57 GMT
Man Midnight Meadows, you totally called it: Mezzaphor's and inhumandecency's comments in the Wild Speculation thread left me with no choice but to do this one:  |
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Post by ding on Jan 23, 2009 3:48:05 GMT
Are we certain that we're only dealing with parts human and parts robot here? There are plenty of ethereal elements swirling in 'n 'round the court...
The SKANG argument rings true. Jones is obvious, but why would she be required to be part of a plot twist? Can't she just be what she appears to be? (really, really hot. ;D)
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Post by snes on Jan 23, 2009 6:07:52 GMT
Are we certain that we're only dealing with parts human and parts robot here? There are plenty of ethereal elements swirling in 'n 'round the court... The SKANG argument rings true. Jones is obvious, but why would she be required to be part of a plot twist? Can't she just be what she appears to be? (really, really hot. ;D) Nah, Jones isn't really doing it for me. Anyhoo, Jones could be a robot. The only problems I have with the theory are that Annie has already suggested it in-universe. For some reason this seems to disqualify it in my book. And why is everybody crying "robot?" For all we know, Jones could be half-faerie or something. Or maybe Tom is just yanking our chain and only calls someone 100% human if they can't do magic, in which case Kat would appear to be the only definite 100% human on the list. |
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Post by Trism on Jan 23, 2009 7:58:25 GMT
oh, and Trism - kudos on your question. It is one of the best asked questions on that thread! Thank you, that's exactly what I was going for. This conversation makes me want to make another question, Asking if any of our well known characters, (Besides the obvious) passed a mystical test to get into Gunnerkrigg. Someone else ask it, quick! |
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Post by preus on Jan 23, 2009 8:30:09 GMT
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Post by hearingv0ices on Jan 23, 2009 11:01:19 GMT
long time lurker with my own two cents
i wanted to show my doubt to the theory that kat is robot/android
mostly because she grows
over the course of the comic you can see her hight increase
not to mention she needs the occasional hair cut
and come to think of it, she had a tan after coming back from vacationing in Italy over the summer
there for unless she has some kind of human organic skin graft thing going on (like a t-800 series terminator unit)
i am pretty sure she is not an android
still i propose another theory
kat as well as her mother share roma (gypsy) blood
and many a good english folk tail has the roma being some thing other then just 100% human
and while it seems completely out of right field now
i do believe that kats roma blood may be important in later in the story
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I guess I was just thinking "A face made of metal? Well, sure, that could happen to anybody!"... except it usually doesn't. I suppose a metal face transplant just seems less... magical than force fields and super jumpy powers. Ah well.
