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Post by Timberwere on Jul 15, 2024 7:08:23 GMT
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 15, 2024 7:11:05 GMT
Unless magic, those red eyes were hand colored on purpose.
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Post by bicarbonat on Jul 15, 2024 8:04:43 GMT
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Post by guntherkrieg on Jul 15, 2024 8:09:36 GMT
Charles looks very much like Siddell himself. Curious.
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Post by Corvo on Jul 15, 2024 12:03:46 GMT
What this chapter taught me is that "omega" is from "omniscient" and "zeta" is from "zomnipozent".
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Post by morrahadesigns on Jul 15, 2024 12:30:27 GMT
What this chapter taught me is that "omega" is from "omniscient" and "zeta" is from "zomnipozent". Truly, you have a dizzying intellect. |
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Post by morrahadesigns on Jul 15, 2024 12:32:34 GMT
In a manner that is, most likely, unreasonable this photograph irks me for some reason.
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Post by guntherkrieg on Jul 15, 2024 12:47:38 GMT
What this chapter taught me is that "omega" is from "omniscient" and "zeta" is from "zomnipozent". Ah, I see you know your Klingon! |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Jul 15, 2024 12:48:06 GMT
In a manner that is, most likely, unreasonable this photograph irks me for some reason. Reason it! |
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Post by Sky Schemer on Jul 15, 2024 13:18:26 GMT
Awkward family photos are as old as families and photos.
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Post by Gemminie on Jul 15, 2024 15:30:40 GMT
Chapter 92 bonus page! We see an old photo (possibly a daguerreotype, one of those processes that probably required people to sit still for 10 minutes). It's in an ornate brass or gold frame, and its corners have decorations involving a capital letter omega; the corners are reminiscent of the "beginning/end of flashback" bookend symbols that were used early in this chapter. An oval window in the frame reveals Charles and Omega, clearly in the room Omega was in when Charles brought her to the Court, as we can see some of the apparatus in the background. They are both dressed to the nines, as one would if one were going to stand for a serious portrait. Omega's eyes are red, as they were in all of those flashbacks, as were the eyes of any creature that she was currently seeing/talking through. Is this photo diegetic? That is, does such a photo in such a frame exist somewhere in the story universe, or is this a non-canon photo? Because if it is diegetic, there are only two reasons why Omega's eyes would be red: if someone colored them in after the photo was taken (some black-and-white photos were colored later with paint or ink), or if Omega is currently seeing through the eyes of this portrait of herself, looking at YOU. Tom's note reveals that a new chapter will begin Wednesday. Yay! |
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 15, 2024 15:43:52 GMT
Aww- Umm...
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Post by rezmason on Jul 15, 2024 16:30:37 GMT
[maybe] Omega is currently seeing through the eyes of this portrait of herself, looking at YOU. I think that, yes, this is a drawing of an in-universe object, and Omega surely was looking from the past at every person who ever looked at the object. Even more unsettling is that she's probably done that countless times throughout her artificially extended life, including right now. The eye contact she makes with us isn't some proof that she sees us; it's her expressing to us— making it clear to us, in case we don't realize at first— that she sees us, and always will. She'll be watching you. |
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Post by drmemory on Jul 15, 2024 16:53:18 GMT
This question is because of Omega's red eyes in the picture. I know they aren't new, they just jumped out at me on this page.
If it turns out that Zimmy is a descendant of Miss Omega, does that change anything about what people think of her attitude?
We already know that Omega thinks Zeta has a lot in common and has a choice between wallowing in the mire and doing something productive. People seem offended that Omega is making decisions for her. I'm suggesting this may look different if Zimmy is her granddaughter. Or great-granddaughter.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 15, 2024 17:20:49 GMT
Just in case anyone had forgotten there are only two characters in this comic with eyes this shade of red.
Edit: I stand corrected, they are not the only two.
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Post by blahzor on Jul 15, 2024 17:29:52 GMT
eyes so common not even worth noting |
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Post by blahzor on Jul 15, 2024 17:33:18 GMT
Just in case anyone had forgotten there are only two characters in this comic with eyes this shade of red. Meg, Bud and Hetty, no one else |
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Post by lisanela on Jul 16, 2024 8:03:50 GMT
This question is because of Omega's red eyes in the picture. I know they aren't new, they just jumped out at me on this page. If it turns out that Zimmy is a descendant of Miss Omega, does that change anything about what people think of her attitude? We already know that Omega thinks Zeta has a lot in common and has a choice between wallowing in the mire and doing something productive. People seem offended that Omega is making decisions for her. I'm suggesting this may look different if Zimmy is her granddaughter. Or great-granddaughter. God it would honestly make it much worse to me - in my eyes there's something so much more sinister in a dismissive and apathetic relative rather than a random person in charge. |
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Post by Hatredman on Jul 16, 2024 13:00:53 GMT
Tom is cruel.
I'm craving, I'm in abstinence syndrom, and a new chapter is happening tomorrow only - and will be an opening title card, so the story proper will happen only on thursday.
I'm dying, Squirtle!
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Post by morrahadesigns on Jul 16, 2024 16:03:54 GMT
In a manner that is, most likely, unreasonable this photograph irks me for some reason. Reason it! Given her behavior in the last chapter. It irks me to see her acting so happy, chipper, family photo style with Charles. I feel like she's pretending to be nice when we know she isn't. As I said, it is likely an unreasonable response to what is supposed to just be a moment of happiness in her previously very painful life. |
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Post by zimmboni on Jul 16, 2024 17:40:21 GMT
This question is because of Omega's red eyes in the picture. I know they aren't new, they just jumped out at me on this page. If it turns out that Zimmy is a descendant of Miss Omega, does that change anything about what people think of her attitude? We already know that Omega thinks Zeta has a lot in common and has a choice between wallowing in the mire and doing something productive. People seem offended that Omega is making decisions for her. I'm suggesting this may look different if Zimmy is her granddaughter. Or great-granddaughter. If Zimmy is Omega's granddaughter, and we know something happened to her parents, maybe Omega's indifference to Zimmy has to do with whatever happened to the members of the generation between them. |
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Post by morrahadesigns on Jul 16, 2024 19:07:04 GMT
This question is because of Omega's red eyes in the picture. I know they aren't new, they just jumped out at me on this page. If it turns out that Zimmy is a descendant of Miss Omega, does that change anything about what people think of her attitude? We already know that Omega thinks Zeta has a lot in common and has a choice between wallowing in the mire and doing something productive. People seem offended that Omega is making decisions for her. I'm suggesting this may look different if Zimmy is her granddaughter. Or great-granddaughter. If Zimmy is Omega's granddaughter, and we know something happened to her parents, maybe Omega's indifference to Zimmy has to do with whatever happened to the members of the generation between them. I don't buy Zimmy as Omega's granddaughter. Omega doesn't seem the type to have had children of her own. Great-Niece perhaps? |
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Post by drmemory on Jul 17, 2024 2:00:47 GMT
If Zimmy is Omega's granddaughter, and we know something happened to her parents, maybe Omega's indifference to Zimmy has to do with whatever happened to the members of the generation between them. I don't buy Zimmy as Omega's granddaughter. Omega doesn't seem the type to have had children of her own. Great-Niece perhaps? Well I certainly have no evidence to the contrary! I was just thinking that she obviously loved Charles, and would have wanted to do things with him if she was able.
On the other hand, that was almost certainly a family portrait and it did NOT include any children. So maybe she is a more distant relative, or maybe something else happened - despite my joke of Zimmy sharpening her teeth, I think they are probably natural (for her) and that she is not fully human. Which doesn't rule out the possibility of some sort of... etheric inheritance?
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Post by drmemory on Jul 17, 2024 2:06:49 GMT
Unless magic, those red eyes were hand colored on purpose. I agree, and wanted to add that daguerreotypes did not include color. They were a monochrome format created using a sheet of copper with a thin coating of silver. No negatives! It's pretty interesting (to me). You can read about it on the interwebs.
That picture looks to me like they posed for a daguerreotype in Charles' lab. I am going to resist pointless wildspec about the items in the background. 
So if the red eyes are actually part of the image and not just added by Tom, then this was more likely a painting than an early photographic process.
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Post by Igniz on Jul 17, 2024 2:38:46 GMT
Omega is currently seeing through the eyes of this portrait of herself, looking at YOU.  |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 17, 2024 5:43:51 GMT
 Just for reference here's a photo of Italian opera star Natalina "Lina" Cavalieri. Not sure when it was taken, without looking into it I'll guess circa 1910. Can't tell without having it in hand but it looks like it was lightly bleached then sepia toned. The red and blue colors were hand-applied with a brush and most likely oil paint. That's probably gold leaf on the dress. Either a resist was used on the jewels (applied before bleaching and removed before coloring) or they were platinum plated (probably the former). IMHO the effect on the necklace and earring are striking, the tiara is mid and should've been left uncolored. |
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Post by silicondream on Jul 17, 2024 9:41:20 GMT
An oval window in the frame reveals Charles and Omega, clearly in the room Omega was in when Charles brought her to the Court, as we can see some of the apparatus in the background. They are both dressed to the nines, as one would if one were going to stand for a serious portrait. Omega's eyes are red, as they were in all of those flashbacks, as were the eyes of any creature that she was currently seeing/talking through. Is this photo diegetic? That is, does such a photo in such a frame exist somewhere in the story universe, or is this a non-canon photo? Because if it is diegetic, there are only two reasons why Omega's eyes would be red: if someone colored them in after the photo was taken (some black-and-white photos were colored later with paint or ink), or if Omega is currently seeing through the eyes of this portrait of herself, looking at YOU. Tom's note reveals that a new chapter will begin Wednesday. Yay! I don't really interpret Omega's eye color in this picture as showing that she's looking at the reader, any more than all the other shots where Omega or Zimmy were facing the camera. Hand-coloring seems like a reasonable explanation; either the couple or the photographer might have wanted to emphasize the striking and unusual hue of her eyes, because no one would guess it from a sepia-tone. Word of Tom on Zimmy's eyes may be relevant here. Zimmy's eye gunk is a "visual metaphor," but her eye color is not. So to people in-universe, she always has eyes like Omega's. However, when she's in her normal eye-gunky state, other people don't usually notice the red eyes because "they don't really pay that much attention." Basically, her illness cuts her off emotionally from others (barring Gamma) so she's just a "pretty crummy girl" you'd rather not look too hard at. Omega's permanently-shining eyes might indicate that she's emotionally healthier and/or more socially adept than Zimmy. Zimmy's eye color also shined through the gunk when she was probing Tony's connection with Annie, because she "might be looking deeper than she was up to this point." So another difference between Omega and Zimmy might be that Omega is always looking deeper/farther than others, whereas Zimmy only does so when she really pushes herself, or when the rain washes away her blinders of negativity and paranoia. |
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Post by morrahadesigns on Jul 17, 2024 12:00:11 GMT
I don't buy Zimmy as Omega's granddaughter. Omega doesn't seem the type to have had children of her own. Great-Niece perhaps? Well I certainly have no evidence to the contrary! I was just thinking that she obviously loved Charles, and would have wanted to do things with him if she was able.
On the other hand, that was almost certainly a family portrait and it did NOT include any children. So maybe she is a more distant relative, or maybe something else happened - despite my joke of Zimmy sharpening her teeth, I think they are probably natural (for her) and that she is not fully human. Which doesn't rule out the possibility of some sort of... etheric inheritance?
I like the idea of an etheric inheritance. Omega and Zimmy have no blood relation but the ether (somehow) chose them to be part of a "family line" of etheric attunements. To be fair though, their powers aren't really similar to each other and the only real connection id that they are both dark haired, red-eyed, and overwhelmed by their connection without outside help. Which taken altogether seems like it could mean something but dark hair is common, and red-eyes could just be a visible indicator of etheric attunement and there are any number of red-eyed etherics that the court hasn't found who have no connection to Omega or Zeta. Both of which are names bestowed by the court and not of their own choosing if you ask me. |
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Post by morrahadesigns on Jul 17, 2024 12:02:16 GMT
Just for reference here's a photo of Italian opera star Natalina "Lina" Cavalieri. Not sure when it was taken, without looking into it I'll guess circa 1910. Can't tell without having it in hand but it looks like it was lightly bleached then sepia toned. The red and blue colors were hand-applied with a brush and most likely oil paint. That's probably gold leaf on the dress. Either a resist was used on the jewels (applied before bleaching and removed before coloring) or they were platinum plated (probably the former). IMHO the effect on the necklace and earring are striking, the tiara is mid and should've been left uncolored. I agree that the pink tiara is unimpressive compared to the gold and red of dress and jewelry, but I believe the tiara she wore actually was pink and would have looked just as bland against the red in real life. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 17, 2024 17:53:50 GMT
Just in case anyone had forgotten there are only two characters in this comic with eyes this shade of red. Meg, Bud and Hetty, no one else Damn, I forgot Hetty. Bud though?
Given her behavior in the last chapter. It irks me to see her acting so happy, chipper, family photo style with Charles. I feel like she's pretending to be nice when we know she isn't. As I said, it is likely an unreasonable response to what is supposed to just be a moment of happiness in her previously very painful life. That picture looks like it was taken/painted very shortly after the two of them became a couple. There are decades of natural lifetime, plus perhaps one additional century as a brain in a machine between than and now... So much time must necessarily change a person. 😅 |
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