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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 21, 2024 7:15:06 GMT
By existing Omega still has an impact on things even if she doesn't do anything to cause them. Remember the vase problem in the Matrix movie? Would Neo have still broken it if the Oracle hadn't mentioned it? |
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Post by arf on Jun 21, 2024 7:18:35 GMT
Annie's none too comfortable with this Omega person.
... and did Tony just say Spock's signature phrase?
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Post by worldsong on Jun 21, 2024 7:36:00 GMT
That just leads to the question of whether Omega herself is an independent agent or whether her actions could also be calculated.
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Post by migrantworker on Jun 21, 2024 9:11:32 GMT
Omega does not meddle with things. Except when she does, yes yes but other than that, she would never! |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 21, 2024 9:16:06 GMT
I wonder if the Court has ever done experiments where Omega has tried to frustrate the ether on purpose.
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Post by blahzor on Jun 21, 2024 9:21:28 GMT
Omega does not meddle with things. Except when she does, yes yes but other than that, she would never! Not her fault you believed something repeatedly and exhaustively proven to be true for decades |
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Post by hoob on Jun 21, 2024 9:32:47 GMT
And so after 179 pages (6% of the entire comic to date), Annie finally gets to change out of what she was wearing all the way back in Chapter 89.
Love how Annie's shown walking down the stairs. The characters' outfits have always been such an expressive element of the comic
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Post by csj on Jun 21, 2024 13:13:38 GMT
the first meeting between omega and jones must've been an absolute riot
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Post by ctso74 on Jun 21, 2024 13:37:07 GMT
I wonder if the Court has ever done experiments where Omega has tried to frustrate the ether on purpose. Maybe, that's what the Foley students were doing. Running Meg's predicitons in Etheric minds and seeing what error popped up. |
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Post by jasmijn on Jun 21, 2024 14:27:35 GMT
Megs is loving this
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 21, 2024 15:07:24 GMT
Annie's none too comfortable with this Omega person. ... and did Tony just say Spock's signature phrase? Lots of us nerds do. 
But yeah, both Carver's don't exactly seem amused. Love how they both have the same base expression in panel 4, but Annie's has added anger.
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Post by Gemminie on Jun 21, 2024 15:48:09 GMT
After THEY EXPLAIN, Tony then clarifies for himself that Omega is in fact the Omega Device, and clarifies for us that he had in fact thought that the Omega Device had always been a machine, unaware that it had once been a human. Omega says that "we" decided to keep it a secret; "we" most likely means Charles and herself.
It would appear that Annie went upstairs to change clothes during this conversation, the first opportunity she's had to do so in a while. Perhaps she took a shower too. Who knows? Goodbye, short-sleeved white turtleneck and navy skirt that Annie's worn since chapter 89 began; she now has a rust-colored long-sleeved top and some khaki Capri-length cargo pants, and apparently some light gray shoes.
Renard has apparently stayed around the entire time. But as soon as Annie comes down, Omega tells her that Tony used to go on "calibration exercises" for Omega, meaning trips such as the one shown in flashback in chapter 64. Annie and Tony both seem unhappy when Omega mentions that she saw the sequence of events that led to Tony and Surma's relationship, but she reassures them that she could only see events, not cause them to happen. But in the last frame of this page, Tony points out that Omega was the one sending him on these trips, so to some extent she did influence events, and Omega is noncommittal in her response, putting a lampshade on it with an anime-style cat smile.
Tom's comment is "was what was," with no punctuation or capitalization; perhaps he means that it was what it was? Or is he making a Was (Not Was) reference?
Annie (and Tony, behind her) is rather upset about the thought that Omega might have caused her very existence. Is that likely? I mean, back in the past, Omega did see an opportunity to "go off the rails" and enter a region of possibility that was outside what she could predict, and it all involved a girl who wouldn't die as predicted. But it seems that she saw that first, meaning Annie would be born and would take a series of actions that would lead to her predicted death. Omega didn't necessarily have to do anything. But she doubtless saw herself giving Tony instructions to go on these calibration exercises, and she foresaw Tony and Surma hitting it off when Surma took Don's place on one of them. I'm not sure that counts as consciously manipulating events, though; she also sent him (and presumably others; there's no reason to assume Tony was the only one) on a lot of expeditions that didn't involve Surma. So I don't know?
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jun 21, 2024 16:04:48 GMT
Guys, Catface Meg is the most trustworthy face ever. Especially when Tony Spock puts mental air quotes around "calibration."
She clearly has totally never manipulated anything.
"We only see events, we don't cause them to happen" — Macbeth's Weird Sisters, probably.
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Post by Corvo on Jun 21, 2024 16:45:05 GMT
Annie's none too comfortable with this Omega person. ... and did Tony just say Spock's signature phrase? ... "live long and prosper"? |
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Post by tibert on Jun 21, 2024 17:40:46 GMT
Tom's comment is "was what was," with no punctuation or capitalization; perhaps he means that it was what it was? Or is he making a Was (Not Was) reference? I was puzzled too, until I tripped over the answer, or rather my tongue did. One of my fruitless hobbies is to read aloud, especially this webcomic, often a chapter worth. Doing so, I noticed "my output was what was important". |
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Post by migrantworker on Jun 21, 2024 18:04:44 GMT
Omega does not meddle with things. Except when she does, yes yes but other than that, she would never! Not her fault you believed something repeatedly and exhaustively proven to be true for decades ...to which belief they have been led by Omega (and Charles) withholding the knowledge of her infallibility having an expiration date. I wonder which of the other characters will call her to task on this. |
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Post by arkadi on Jun 21, 2024 18:07:21 GMT
Tony: "You totally caused us to get together."
Omega: ºwº
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Post by exquisitecorpus on Jun 21, 2024 19:14:52 GMT
Annie's none too comfortable with this Omega person. ... and did Tony just say Spock's signature phrase? ... "live long and prosper"? . |
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Post by Runningflame on Jun 21, 2024 19:37:27 GMT
"Don't worry! I only watched your parents having sex, I didn't make them do it!"
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Post by Corvo on Jun 21, 2024 22:55:15 GMT
Yes, hm, my point is, if Spock has as "signature phrase" it has to be "live long and prosper", no? I wouldn't call "fascinating" a "signature" anything since it's pretty commonly used in many places by many characters. And then I wouldn't call it a "phrase", because, well...
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Post by blahzor on Jun 22, 2024 2:54:33 GMT
"Don't worry! I only watched your parents having sex, I didn't make them do it!" I did it just to prove you would exist... Yeah that Calibration test |
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Post by morrahadesigns on Jun 22, 2024 3:34:09 GMT
So what Omega is telling us is that she shipped Tony and Surma, literally.
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Post by arf on Jun 22, 2024 5:26:50 GMT
So what Omega is telling us is that she shipped Tony and Surma, literally. "We-ell, I *might* have smudged the word 'etymology' in some of Surma's books. Just a little." |
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Post by freeman on Jun 22, 2024 8:59:54 GMT
"Don't worry! I only watched your parents having sex, I didn't make them do it!" Except in this case she absolutely did. 
"So, Omega, you see everything, must include a lots of couples getting at it too?" Omega: *licks her fingers*
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Post by drmemory on Jun 22, 2024 18:08:13 GMT
So in a sense, Omega is already Annie's mother. Creator might be closer. I'm thinking she did this on purpose too, as it was part of the sequence of events required to get her to the distortion and mobility.
This makes me wonder a bit about how honest she's being about Annie's non-death messing up her predictions.
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Post by King Mir on Jun 22, 2024 20:02:56 GMT
Yes, hm, my point is, if Spock has as "signature phrase" it has to be "live long and prosper", no? I wouldn't call "fascinating" a "signature" anything since it's pretty commonly used in many places by many characters. And then I wouldn't call it a "phrase", because, well... Characters can have multiple signature phrases. Besides, "live long and prosper" is a Vulcan cultural greeting, not specific to Spock. Calling out the weird stuff that he encounters as "Facinating" is surely a signature mannerism of Spock. Other characters might do it, but not nearly as much. |
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Post by King Mir on Jun 22, 2024 20:11:17 GMT
That just leads to the question of whether Omega herself is an independent agent or whether her actions could also be calculated. <free will debate> Why should those two things be incompatible? Omega's actions could clearly be calculated if you just built a duplicate. But she also was a person choosing to make use of her predictive abilities to help the court. She has free will and is deterministic. These two things are not incompatible. |
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Post by sgleysti on Jun 23, 2024 17:51:41 GMT
That just leads to the question of whether Omega herself is an independent agent or whether her actions could also be calculated. <free will debate> Why should those two things be incompatible? Omega's actions could clearly be calculated if you just built a duplicate. But she also was a person choosing to make use of her predictive abilities to help the court. She has free will and is deterministic. These two things are not incompatible. To me, one of the biggest issues in discussions of free will and determinism is how you define free will.
If free will simply means you do what you wanted to do, then that seems very compatible with determinism. Play the tape back, and you'll always do the same thing, but it's what you wanted.
If free will includes some notion of "could have done otherwise", then that seems less compatible with determinism.
Now throw the ether into the mix, LAUGHING ON LINE.
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Post by csj on Jun 23, 2024 18:24:03 GMT
Now throw the ether into the mix SENIORITA OMEGA THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE AND THEY SPELL DISASTER FOR YOUR AGENCY AT SACRIFICE |
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Post by Hatredman on Jun 23, 2024 21:09:57 GMT
By existing Omega still has an impact on things even if she doesn't do anything to cause them. Remember the vase problem in the Matrix movie? Would Neo have still broken it if the Oracle hadn't mentioned it? I wonder if Omega had some agency in the Cursed Teapot incident. |
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