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Post by arf on May 6, 2024 7:39:47 GMT
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Post by crater on May 6, 2024 7:53:57 GMT
>tfw you're dying of cancer and your doctor won't stop nerding about his headcanon ontologies
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Post by morrahadesigns on May 6, 2024 13:03:39 GMT
>tfw you're dying of cancer and your doctor won't stop nerding about his headcanon ontologies Yeah....Drs can VERY often suck in this regard. |
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Post by morrahadesigns on May 6, 2024 13:06:13 GMT
Oh look at how genteel and kindly he is. See how he is explaining and providing her with information. Surely this man is a kind and benevolent person who only wants to help this poor benighted crow girl!! His graciousness is just more than I can even bear! *swoons*
Yeeeaaah, I still don't trust this guy.
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Post by ctso74 on May 6, 2024 13:20:22 GMT
"They also keep the shared lab's thermostat high. If they're cold then they can put on a coat, but if I'm hot with only a shirt and pants, all I can do is strip. Unreasonable fools."
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Post by guntherkrieg on May 6, 2024 13:38:54 GMT
Haha, what if Zimmy is like over 100 years old.
Oh and Gamma doesn't really exist because she's Zimmy's need for a companion made manifest. Like a tulpa.
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Post by bicarbonat on May 6, 2024 14:23:01 GMT
I'm reminded of Metallo (John Corben) – at least from the Superman animated series.
I'm not saying it's 1-to-1, but there's something very scummy about
- a very powerful, intelligent, well-connected person
- scooping up a talented "nobody"
- (whom the powerful person needs)
- citing their frailties and limitations, real and spurious
- sponsoring "treatment" entirely within the powerful person's purview
- which results in a person who is still "alive" but who has lost their humanity
- and is conveniently even more useful to the person in power
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Post by Gemminie on May 6, 2024 15:14:54 GMT
Apparently this girl declined Bow Tie Man's offer to bring one of her crows, as that was the last item of dialogue on the previous page and no crows appear on this one. Asking her permission first, he seems to push her bed forward a bit to adjust the devices behind it, then examines what looks like a cable and goes over to some equipment that is mostly hidden in darkness, perhaps to plug that cable in. Meanwhile, he's speaking, while the girl merely says, "Mmm." He again mentions some unspecified "we" as well as his "colleagues," so there are unseen others he is working with. He describes a situation that seems very similar to what's been said about Zimmy in the present day: her mind is attuned to the Ether, but it overwhelms her. Some of his colleagues use the term "the Ether," but he isn't satisfied with that terminology because it isn't precise enough, so he prefers the term "the metaphysical world." (Apparently that's more precise? It doesn't seem much better to me.)
Now, as we all know, the Court went to Birmingham to find Zimmy and Gamma, and Word of Tom has it that the Court found Zimmy; they didn't create her. Zimmy is then perhaps only the latest in a series of people the Court has found who are connected to the Ether but overwhelmed by it. How many others there have been in the time between them is unclear: perhaps there were many, or perhaps none at all. Perhaps this is Omega, or perhaps this is the first one in a series that would later lead to Omega?
Interesting how the curve of the girl's head in panel 3 is completed by the line of the scientist's waistcoat in panel 4.
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Post by storyteller on May 6, 2024 17:44:45 GMT
Apparently this girl declined Bow Tie Man's offer to bring one of her crows, as that was the last item of dialogue on the previous page and no crows appear on this one. Asking her permission first, he seems to push her bed forward a bit to adjust the devices behind it, then examines what looks like a cable and goes over to some equipment that is mostly hidden in darkness, perhaps to plug that cable in. Meanwhile, he's speaking, while the girl merely says, "Mmm." He again mentions some unspecified "we" as well as his "colleagues," so there are unseen others he is working with. He describes a situation that seems very similar to what's been said about Zimmy in the present day: her mind is attuned to the Ether, but it overwhelms her. Some of his colleagues use the term "the Ether," but he isn't satisfied with that terminology because it isn't precise enough, so he prefers the term "the metaphysical world." (Apparently that's more precise? It doesn't seem much better to me.) Now, as we all know, the Court went to Birmingham to find Zimmy and Gamma, and Word of Tom has it that the Court found Zimmy; they didn't create her. Zimmy is then perhaps only the latest in a series of people the Court has found who are connected to the Ether but overwhelmed by it. How many others there have been in the time between them is unclear: perhaps there were many, or perhaps none at all. Perhaps this is Omega, or perhaps this is the first one in a series that would later lead to Omega? Interesting how the curve of the girl's head in panel 3 is completed by the line of the scientist's waistcoat in panel 4. What is also interesting is that his description of the Ether mirrors Zimmy's. She didn't call it the Ether she called it "The Unseen World" If the unnamed Zimmy look alike isn't Omega I'd not be entirely surprised if Zimmy's parents/ancestors ended up leaving the court or something. It's really odd that Zimmy said something like what the doc said. Also ironies abound if we can end up comparing and contrasting to Divine with Zimmy ending up punching Tony because he messed with Annie. If the patient agrees to a known risky treatment with full knowledge it's above board, and do far the doc has been above board. Others seemingly then took the knowledge and went off darker paths on it, but so far he's been okay. |
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Post by blahzor on May 7, 2024 0:55:14 GMT
No one open your eyes around her out of sympathy
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Post by blahzor on May 7, 2024 1:13:13 GMT
Haha, what if Zimmy is like over 100 years old. Oh and Gamma doesn't really exist because she's Zimmy's need for a companion made manifest. Like a tulpa. Zimmy isekai into a world and meets the girl of her dreams who focuses her powers |
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Post by Hatredman on May 7, 2024 2:02:22 GMT
The Doc is definetly not Artilleryman or Steadman. He's a scientist. Military men abhor science (even when they use it).
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Post by Hatredman on May 7, 2024 2:20:17 GMT
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Post by silicondream on May 7, 2024 9:00:12 GMT
Oh look at how genteel and kindly he is. See how he is explaining and providing her with information. Surely this man is a kind and benevolent person who only wants to help this poor benighted crow girl!! His graciousness is just more than I can even bear! *swoons* Yeeeaaah, I still don't trust this guy. He may be a kind and benevolent person; most of the Court researchers that we've met so far have been decent individuals. That doesn't mean that his masters won't leverage his work for more selfish ends, of course. OTOH, from what little we've seen of the modern Omega within the distortion, she's not obviously suffering or miserable. Perhaps whatever the Court ended up doing to her really did improve her quality of life. Or undeath. Or whatever. |
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Post by agasa on May 7, 2024 9:43:52 GMT
Assuming she's a past version of Zimmy.
She's got eyes. Zimmy in the present has no visible eyes. Eyes are windows to the soul; etheric receptors...
The doctor may have somehow blinded her etheric sight in an attempt to give her relief.
Regular humans are ether-blind, some are not but require concentration, she, in turn, is unable to turn etheric reception off.
He's speaking about frequencies. He may have changed the tuning - shifted the frequencies she's tuning to, making her unable to tune to the regular ether, but in turn, making her tuned to something different. More bearable, perhaps, but shitty; Is Zimmingham this?
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Post by storyteller on May 7, 2024 11:39:50 GMT
Oh look at how genteel and kindly he is. See how he is explaining and providing her with information. Surely this man is a kind and benevolent person who only wants to help this poor benighted crow girl!! His graciousness is just more than I can even bear! *swoons* Yeeeaaah, I still don't trust this guy. He may be a kind and benevolent person; most of the Court researchers that we've met so far have been decent individuals. That doesn't mean that his masters won't leverage his work for more selfish ends, of course. OTOH, from what little we've seen of the modern Omega within the distortion, she's not obviously suffering or miserable. Perhaps whatever the Court ended up doing to her really did improve her quality of life. Or undeath. Or whatever. I can definitely see it be a situation where his work is then used for damaging and dangerous projects afterwards. The current case is someone that wanted help, who'd likely agree to complete power removal if possible, and the powers are legitimately and completely the problem. It's just that given the similarly to Zimmy, anything that can do squat to this case has to be Uber effective. And once a tool is made anyone can use it |
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Post by Per on May 7, 2024 13:36:26 GMT
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Post by zimmboni on May 7, 2024 18:39:41 GMT
I think Zimmy and Omega are either twins or the same person split as Annie was split; I'm wondering whether they were split from this person, or the children of this person. Either way, I think Zimmy's parents don't remember her because they're long dead.
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Post by agasa on May 7, 2024 21:31:38 GMT
I figure that Zeta (Zimmy) actually is Omega because, in the respective alphabets, they both are the last letter, and are both figuratively "The end".
The difference is that Omega comes from ancient greek, and is, well, the older version of the concept; while this zeta is modern.
Zeta being the greek name for the sixth letter of the alphabet, but also for the current "zed" last alphabet letter in italian and other neolatins.
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Post by hp on May 7, 2024 21:53:23 GMT
Assuming she's a past version of Zimmy. She's got eyes. Zimmy in the present has no visible eyes. Eyes are windows to the soul; etheric receptors... The doctor may have somehow blinded her etheric sight in an attempt to give her relief. Regular humans are ether-blind, some are not but require concentration, she, in turn, is unable to turn etheric reception off. He's speaking about frequencies. He may have changed the tuning - shifted the frequencies she's tuning to, making her unable to tune to the regular ether, but in turn, making her tuned to something different. More bearable, perhaps, but shitty; Is Zimmingham this? Zimmy has eyes tho. They're just obscured by some kind of goo. When she gets rained on here red eyes show up. Check the page from 2007 Hatredman linked above: Red eyes just like Victoria(n zimmyish girl) in the previous page |
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Post by drmemory on May 8, 2024 5:26:08 GMT
The guy looks a bit like Herman Hollerith, father of the punch card and the company that later became IBM. His attire, however, looks closer to something Charles Babbage might have worn (creator of the Difference Engine, which also matches the era better than punch card technology). The girl looks a little like Ada Lovelace, a mathematician that was in a very real sense the first computer programmer. She looks more like Zimmy, of course, and the Countess Lovelace wasn't known to be bedridden nor to use crows to talk to people. She did, however, end up with a language named after her. I have a hunch that Tom is patterning these guys after people from Babbage and Lovelace's era, and placing the founding of the court in that general time. That doesn't mean that he's actually using any of the real people I mention as models for his characters, of course. Who knows? I could easily believe that the girl was hiding in a cabin in the woods so she wouldn't get burned as a witch... The more important part is that I think that's what we're seeing - events leading to the founding of the court. If I remember right, the founders actually fled to where the court was founded, escaping other events that we've never heard much about. So it won't be as simple as taking the girl to the court and wiring her up to an Analytical Engine to create Omega. More stuff happens after what we are seeing and before they went where the court is now. It sounds like they are heading towards a tentative understanding of the ether but that's almost unimportant at this early stage. It's really tempting to assume she has something to do with Omega but that just isn't a safe assumption. Best guess - we'll soon meet more of the cabal or conspiracy that founded of the court. Also, if what the founders of the court were escaping was a schism, then the people we are watching may not have been on the side that founded the court! They probably are though, just for the storytelling.  |
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Post by morrahadesigns on May 8, 2024 23:51:45 GMT
Oh look at how genteel and kindly he is. See how he is explaining and providing her with information. Surely this man is a kind and benevolent person who only wants to help this poor benighted crow girl!! His graciousness is just more than I can even bear! *swoons* Yeeeaaah, I still don't trust this guy. He may be a kind and benevolent person; most of the Court researchers that we've met so far have been decent individuals. That doesn't mean that his masters won't leverage his work for more selfish ends, of course. OTOH, from what little we've seen of the modern Omega within the distortion, she's not obviously suffering or miserable. Perhaps whatever the Court ended up doing to her really did improve her quality of life. Or undeath. Or whatever. While either hand you have offered could indeed be correct; in such situations I prefer to be suspicious and possibly pleasantly surprised rather than optimistic and potentially heartbroken. |
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