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Post by silicondream on Apr 27, 2024 10:15:35 GMT
Despite the resemblance to Zimmy, she still looks more like Omega to me. Also, as Corvo said, Zimmy never sleeps. is that "she knows not to try," so presumably she did sleep (or tried to) in the past. |
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Post by Hatredman on Apr 27, 2024 16:36:37 GMT
Or maybe, judging from the vintage dress and the normal eyes, we'll see Zimmy's past before she became an ether sink, and she'll turn out to be way older than she looks I don't think Subject Zeta is that old. She grows up normally like Annie and the others. They are always depicted as being around the same age. Being 130 years old would negate that. |
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Post by Hatredman on Apr 27, 2024 19:30:10 GMT
Perhaps Zimmy is failed Omega clone. Gotta have backups. A lot of people have been assuming that Omega was created from Zimmy, but Zimmy being a failed Omega clone, or a failed first attempt at making what is now Omega actually makes a lot of sense Omega is a machine created with the portrayed girl's bones. Tony studied and improved it, and used the technology to put Annie in the hospital. |
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Post by silicondream on Apr 28, 2024 2:12:41 GMT
Or maybe, judging from the vintage dress and the normal eyes, we'll see Zimmy's past before she became an ether sink, and she'll turn out to be way older than she looks I don't think Subject Zeta is that old. She grows up normally like Annie and the others. They are always depicted as being around the same age. Being 130 years old would negate that. Actually, Zimmy doesn't seem to grow at all. As a tween she was only a bit smaller than Gamma, but now her head barely reaches Gamma's chin. She's much smaller than Annie, too. |
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Post by czymsim on Apr 28, 2024 10:58:32 GMT
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Post by tibert on Apr 28, 2024 16:38:05 GMT
I find the clone hypothesis amusing. It implies that Omega made herself a NP body noticeably taller than her original body. Still, I find a problem with it. In a 17-years-old version of Zimmy's recruitment by the Court, the Court men describe the Court as different from the places Zimmy went before. It implies Zimmy never was at the Court, and it's therefore unlikely that Zimmy was originally meant to have origins linked to the Court. Also Gamma had a regular name "Miss Czarnecki", which hints to her having an official existence, documented outside the Court labs. If she is also an experiment escaped from a Court lab (EDIT: who also happens to know Polish and not the Court main language), it suggests quite a complicated backstory. For now, my guess is that being a greek letter doesn't mean the Court made you. I would expect the Court to not let their creations wander the outside world as children.
I concede that, if the names Gamma and Zeta are codenames given by the Court this late in the girls' lives, then I wonder why: - Zimmy calls Gamma "Gamma" instead of her birth name. Did the girls take a liking to the codename? Is it a crack at the pronunciation of Polish names?
- Gamma has been using the nickname "Zimmy" before meeting the Court. Is it actually the codename Zeta that has been chosen in reference to the name Zimmy?
Also, I credit the clone hypothesis to give pointers on how Omega's predictions work. Zimmy's ability to create illusory copies of places and people, once properly trained as it should, becomes in Omega an ability to create a simulation of a place of interest, filling it with faceless people and using super-empathy only for higher accuracy on persons of interest. The flaw in this method is that Omega's simulations don't include copies of what shouldn't be in the real world in the first place, like Annie after the Tik-Tok rescue. Amongst other errors, not accounting for Annie's presence has led Omega to believe Coyote would be successfully absorbed by the Star Ocean. Because, yes, in a world without Annie to kill him, Coyote might have chosen instead to end his existence by not fighting Court's attempt. *** As for why we see Zimmy in the 19th century, well, it's clear as day that Kat, using Omega's help, sent Zimmy back in time, but without Gamma, which is killing Zimmy. The Tik-Tok was attracted by Zimmy because it sensed somehow she would be its cargo for its longest trip. |
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Post by yellowb on Apr 28, 2024 21:31:42 GMT
Gamma has been using the nickname "Zimmy" before meeting the Court. Is it actually the codename Zeta that has been chosen in reference to the name Zimmy? Zimmy's real name is Zeta, but she prefers to be called Zimmy. Or so quoth Tom on one of the pages, from pretty early on since Zimmy and Gamma were introduced. IIRC. |
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Post by tibert on Apr 28, 2024 22:17:20 GMT
Gamma has been using the nickname "Zimmy" before meeting the Court. Is it actually the codename Zeta that has been chosen in reference to the name Zimmy? Zimmy's real name is Zeta, but she prefers to be called Zimmy. Or so quoth Tom on one of the pages, from pretty early on since Zimmy and Gamma were introduced. IIRC. Well, perhaps this chapter will clear up how they were given such names, and why Gamma got a letter three ranks higher in the greek alphabet than Zimmy. |
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 29, 2024 13:32:14 GMT
Anything to do with a murder shrimp called Hetty? I would be very happy if the appearance of Hetty in this comic would become more meaningful one day, but I don't think it will be this chapter.
As for why we see Zimmy in the 19th century, well, it's clear as day that Kat, using Omega's help, sent Zimmy back in time, but without Gamma, which is killing Zimmy. The Tik-Tok was attracted by Zimmy because it sensed somehow she would be its cargo for its longest trip. I'm not sure if you mean this as a joke, but just in case you don't, the appearance of the tic-toc is said to predate the founding of the Court. |
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Post by Gemminie on Apr 29, 2024 15:08:54 GMT
Just being descriptive here: As the first page of chapter 94, "Omega," we see a portrait of a girl in repose. The color palette is a sepiatone-like monochrome with sharp contrast. She is shown lying supine from the waist up, wearing some sort of dress or shirt with large buttons and long sleeves. Her eyes are closed, and her long dark hair lies around her. She appears to be lying on a cobblestone surface, but her hands are clasped over her abdomen, making her look rather corpselike. There's a small decorative scrollwork in the upper left corner involving a capital Greek letter omega. Tom's comment is "Mystery solved," possibly indicating that this is Omega.
Then somewhat speculative: If indeed Omega is a person rather than a computer, it may be that the much-mentioned "Omega Device" is instead a device that allows communication with Omega, or perhaps a device created by Omega.
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Post by Hatredman on Apr 30, 2024 3:49:36 GMT
Which is what makes me wonder All is one and one is all, to be a rock and not to roll? |
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Post by Hatredman on Apr 30, 2024 4:04:40 GMT
I have always thought that Zimmy was 11 at the time, just like Annie and Kat. Did anyone really think that? Now that's a very good point. Let's see if this would have an explanation, or if it was just one small slip from our beloved author. As we shall see the next page, not Zimmy, not even Omega, but surprisingly some other character... |
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Post by Hatredman on Apr 30, 2024 4:09:12 GMT
I would be very happy if the appearance of Hetty in this comic would become more meaningful one day, but I don't think it will be this chapter. Does Tom believe in Chekov's Gun, or is he a fierce opposition of it? |
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Post by Hatredman on Apr 30, 2024 4:12:17 GMT
Then somewhat speculative: If indeed Omega is a person rather than a computer, it may be that the much-mentioned "Omega Device" is instead a device that allows communication with Omega, or perhaps a device created by Omega. Or a device made from Omega's bones.  EDIT: Same pose, a mere three pages away. |
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Post by Hatredman on Apr 30, 2024 9:41:30 GMT
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 30, 2024 10:10:58 GMT
I have always thought that Zimmy was 11 at the time, just like Annie and Kat. I think tibert was referring to the linked comic page being 17 years old. |
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Post by tibert on Apr 30, 2024 11:12:43 GMT
I have always thought that Zimmy was 11 at the time, just like Annie and Kat. I think tibert was referring to the linked comic page being 17 years old. Actually, yes (for 17 referring to the page), bad sentence construction from my part. I was thinking Tom may have fleshed out in his mind the specifics about Zimmy's origin since then. |
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