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Post by Timberwere on Jan 3, 2024 8:16:21 GMT
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Post by blahzor on Jan 3, 2024 8:32:19 GMT
Gonna be awkward when Coyote interrupts the rest of this speech
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Post by philman on Jan 3, 2024 8:39:07 GMT
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Post by basser on Jan 3, 2024 8:56:31 GMT
Big ups for Sam and all but I'm not sure how enriching a solid few decades of pipe inspections is gonna be to the fabric of conscious reality.
On the other hand I'm how cracking myself up over the idea of the Court's big plan being something along the lines of:
1. Make a bunch of robots do meaningless repetitive labor for like a century or so.
2. Get a teenage girl to ensoul them.
3. Set up a different teenage girl to be metaphysically body-slammed by a dead canine god in order to transiently alter local reality within a dimensional bubble.
4. Get all the ensouled robots killed by ghosts and such.
5. Global reality becomes boring by means of flooding the ether with dull robot lives.
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Post by silicondream on Jan 3, 2024 11:02:26 GMT
Big ups for Sam and all but I'm not sure how enriching a solid few decades of pipe inspections is gonna be to the fabric of conscious reality. Seems like the sort of data Foley House would love. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 3, 2024 11:58:24 GMT
Big ups for Sam and all but I'm not sure how enriching a solid few decades of pipe inspections is gonna be to the fabric of conscious reality. Stories about the Angel, about Jeanne, about the original creator Diego, about the mythical Ornithonic... |
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 3, 2024 11:59:25 GMT
Thank you, Angel! I've always dreamed of dying a pointless death after having been caught up in your and your friends' shenanigans! Big ups for Sam and all but I'm not sure how enriching a solid few decades of pipe inspections is gonna be to the fabric of conscious reality. Stories about the Angel, about Jeanne, about the original creator Diego, about the mythical Ornithonic... |
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Post by silicondream on Jan 3, 2024 12:57:36 GMT
Thank you, Angel! I've always dreamed of dying a pointless death after having been caught up in your and your friends' shenanigans! That's, like, martyrdom in a nutshell. Infidel: God sux, say it Martyr: No I stan for God Infidel: Fine, release the lions God: Could save you but nah Martyr: Thanks! |
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Post by arf on Jan 3, 2024 13:12:15 GMT
Idle thought: is it Coyote's lack of experience with death that caused his glass-eyed men to fail?
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Post by todd on Jan 3, 2024 13:12:51 GMT
Thank you, Angel! I've always dreamed of dying a pointless death after having been caught up in your and your friends' shenanigans! I don't think that "shenanigans" is the right term for Annie and Kat's adventures. The word implies the kind of escapades thar are carried out purely for a love of mischief and excitement. Annie and Kat had much more serious reasons for their adventures, like a desire to liberate a couple of unjustly-murdered people. |
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Post by ctso74 on Jan 3, 2024 15:08:02 GMT
Aw, buddy. He's just happy to be on the ride.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 3, 2024 17:08:26 GMT
What does this "collective consciousness" mean? Whatever Antimony thinks it means I think it's both the beings of the etherium and the bureaucracy itself, which may not have (and maybe can't have) anybody/anything at the top (which if true is an interesting parallel to the Court). The beings have personalities and memories but the bureaucracy likely doesn't, it just pays attention to what it wants to and makes judgements (like stuff that appears in helper ghost's clipboard) that makes what it what it's interested in seeing come to pass and as such maybe it has characteristics.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jan 3, 2024 20:47:51 GMT
What does this "collective consciousness" mean? Whatever Antimony thinks it means I think it's both the beings of the etherium and the bureaucracy itself, which may not have (and maybe can't have) anybody/anything at the top (which if true is an interesting parallel to the Court). The beings have personalities and memories but the bureaucracy likely doesn't, it just pays attention to what it wants to and makes judgements (like stuff that appears in helper ghost's clipboard) that makes what it what it's interested in seeing come to pass and as such maybe it has characteristics. it sounds very Buddhist to me, or at least Dirk Gently's "fundamental interconnectedness of all things." Of course, Dirk was good at making stuff up, but his ideas were pretty close to actual physics. In Gunnerkrigg we have the Ether as a real "place" where all of this supernatural, holistic stuff happens. So it's hard to say if Annie is just being whimsical and figurative with her purple prose. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 3, 2024 22:09:55 GMT
What does this "collective consciousness" mean? Whatever Antimony thinks it means I think it's both the beings of the etherium and the bureaucracy itself, which may not have (and maybe can't have) anybody/anything at the top (which if true is an interesting parallel to the Court). The beings have personalities and memories but the bureaucracy likely doesn't, it just pays attention to what it wants to and makes judgements (like stuff that appears in helper ghost's clipboard) that makes what it what it's interested in seeing come to pass and as such maybe it has characteristics. it sounds very Buddhist to me, or at least Dirk Gently's "fundamental interconnectedness of all things." Of course, Dirk was good at making stuff up, but his ideas were pretty close to actual physics. In Gunnerkrigg we have the Ether as a real "place" where all of this supernatural, holistic stuff happens. So it's hard to say if Annie is just being whimsical and figurative with her purple prose. Can the GCU have that sort of interconnectedness while retaining the reality of the subjective? I've been whiteboarding what fundamental interactions humans and other entities are aware of where in the GCU and where attention seems to be focused (15.8m and growing) and it looks like I'm convincing myself that ether both flows and clumps and that identity can't be nonlocal. But it is a work in progress... |
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Post by silicondream on Jan 4, 2024 5:08:37 GMT
it sounds very Buddhist to me, or at least Dirk Gently's "fundamental interconnectedness of all things." Of course, Dirk was good at making stuff up, but his ideas were pretty close to actual physics. In Gunnerkrigg we have the Ether as a real "place" where all of this supernatural, holistic stuff happens. So it's hard to say if Annie is just being whimsical and figurative with her purple prose. Can the GCU have that sort of interconnectedness while retaining the reality of the subjective? I'd say the interconnectedness is vital for exactly that reason. Most of our understanding of reality is founded on intersubjective experience rather than the always-elusive objective fact. The Ether takes that one step farther because you can actually see other people's crystallized ideas, rather than simply being informed of them through verbal description and artistic representation. |
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Post by jda on Jan 4, 2024 5:58:09 GMT
Are those Crazy Loupy Eyes?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 4, 2024 6:37:17 GMT
Can the GCU have that sort of interconnectedness while retaining the reality of the subjective? I'd say the interconnectedness is vital for exactly that reason. Most of our understanding of reality is founded on intersubjective experience rather than the always-elusive objective fact. The Ether takes that one step farther because you can actually see other people's crystallized ideas, rather than simply being informed of them through verbal description and artistic representation. But it's more than that, isn't it? The subjective in the GCU is real to the one who experiences, of course, but it also sometimes overrides the reality of others in a way that's as real as what they'd call objective reality. We've seen a lot of examples. Now: What the subject considers their identity often stems from their relative positions (and therefore can be considered nonlocal) and can be considered illusory on that basis and I'm okay with that as far as it goes; however doing the same with the "I" that considers, or alternatively the body that has a mind for a plaything (as Renard might put it) is nonsensical because locality seems to be the basis for all the fundamental interactions* in the GCU and the I that thinks, even if it's just emergent from the ether in an illusion of a mostly-material existence, has to be somewhere or everything collapses into meaninglessness, and the ether has no stories to enjoy. *From a muggle Newtonian perspective there's non-locality but that can be considered relative or illusory. |
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Post by Runningflame on Jan 4, 2024 7:11:06 GMT
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Post by Gemminie on Jan 6, 2024 16:36:57 GMT
Kat sympathetically goes up to Sam and apologizes for keeping him waiting. Then Annie interrupts by saying that Kat's actually done something pretty amazing here, turning the robots into living beings that are now "more than the sum of their parts." We see several flashbacks of Kat working on the New People's bodies in her lab over time. Now the NP are ready to take their place in the collective consciousness of all things.
Kat thanks Annie for the encouraging words, then Sam thanks Kat. This is a very thankful page.
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