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Post by arf on Nov 1, 2023 7:04:24 GMT
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Post by blahzor on Nov 1, 2023 7:05:48 GMT
Get out
Get out
You all going to die down here
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Post by mochakimono on Nov 1, 2023 7:12:11 GMT
Get out Get out You all going to die down here Agreed! I wouldn't want to still be down there if physical reality should want to reassert itself. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 1, 2023 7:15:00 GMT
An Annan Waters, anyway.
Seeing as Renard is Antimony's familiar I can understand how he got transitioned down here. I guess the Noobmens and Noobzimmy got tugged along when Antimony took a powder because the Noobs don't have much etheric presence and Noobzimmy is lost in her current disguise?
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Post by csj on Nov 1, 2023 7:38:39 GMT
Annie% speedrun
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Post by jda on Nov 1, 2023 8:12:01 GMT
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Post by blahzor on Nov 1, 2023 8:33:22 GMT
The shadows kinda look like court buildings or the zappy Kat teleport stuff?
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Post by madjack on Nov 1, 2023 8:43:46 GMT
An Annan Waters, anyway. Seeing as Renard is Antimony's familiar I can understand how he got transitioned down here. I guess the Noobmens and Noobzimmy got tugged along when Antimony took a powder because the Noobs don't have much etheric presence and Noobzimmy is lost in her current disguise? How about this as a hypothesis: The closest thing to a memory you're actively re-experiencing is a dream. Even in the most lucid, self aware dreams you still aren't in full control of where it goes. Annie's the one leading them through the etherscape so her memories are the ones in the driver's seat, everyone else has to buckle up and follow along. |
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Post by philman on Nov 1, 2023 8:55:46 GMT
An Annan Waters, anyway. Seeing as Renard is Antimony's familiar I can understand how he got transitioned down here. I guess the Noobmens and Noobzimmy got tugged along when Antimony took a powder because the Noobs don't have much etheric presence and Noobzimmy is lost in her current disguise? They are all in the same place, not really moving around at all just being transferred into the same shared dream as each other each time, we know from previous visits to zimmingham it doesnlt have to be YOUR dream, you can easily be transitioned into someone elses just by being nearby. They somehow teleported to another place in the real world before, but they are not travelling as we know it |
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Post by blahzor on Nov 1, 2023 9:17:46 GMT
An Annan Waters, anyway. Seeing as Renard is Antimony's familiar I can understand how he got transitioned down here. I guess the Noobmens and Noobzimmy got tugged along when Antimony took a powder because the Noobs don't have much etheric presence and Noobzimmy is lost in her current disguise? How about this as a hypothesis: The closest thing to a memory you're actively re-experiencing is a dream. Even in the most lucid, self aware dreams you still aren't in full control of where it goes. Annie's the one leading them through the etherscape so her memories are the ones in the driver's seat, everyone else has to buckle up and follow along. Also out of everyone there Annie, Rey and Zimmy can effect the ether with memories far as we know until this point |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 1, 2023 9:42:09 GMT
Can be transitioned just by proximity doesn't mean will and there is evidence to suggest they are in at least one transition moving. Well, they're not moving exactly so much as being an elsewhere by changing the shape of their minds, which I don't think was possible in a mere Zimmingham event. They're navigating (or attempting to navigate) a compressed space that has at least three dimensions. Or at least I think that's what they're trying to do, I'm not entirely sure where Antimony is trying to go or attempting to do. Reviewing the previous page, the feet of the Noobmenz appear to be pointing towards Antimony, meaning they'd realized something was happening and turned around. That's a good thing, because weren't and they transitioned anyway it would imply that their own perspectives, even though their altered states in the distortion seem to have more etheric presence, don't really matter. If they were humans proceeding forward without noticing anything I'd fully expect Antimony and Renard to have separated from them, as was apparently happening in the last panel of the previous page where it looked like Antimony was accelerating away from them without walking much. Why might that be important? Well, Lana got munched before the distortion happened. If the Noobmenz proved to be effectively ethereally massless in this current state then I think her current state would be much worse. Instead of just being dead, or better to say disembodied, and lacking the etheric mojo to experience anything other then a featureless box, her death would be an impossibility. She just hadn't "lived" long enough to have a Story of her own despite her experiences. She'd be bound by the laws of the Gunenrverse to something like being buried alive (operational?) forever, all else held equal. I'm not sure even Antimony's mediumship could even find her let alone do anything about that, though maybe with Kat's technical support she could. However, the door to Antimony being able to guide Lana appears to still be open. |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Nov 1, 2023 14:57:29 GMT
Funny thing is, this kind of strengthens the whole "boss level" video game RPG thing. Annie is the main character, and the game requires her to be down there, whether she gets pushed off or if she just vertigos herself down. The fact that the New People Characters - and even Rey, who should know better - are also suddenly and unexpectedly down there really suggests that Annie's "driving" the crazy train, as others have suggested. The others have to be down there, even assuming that they're even actually real. Like Goofy and Donald, they have to go where Sora goes. EDIT: And of course, a train can only go where there are tracks laid by.... Zimmy? Kat? Coyote? A whole team of game developers... Unless Annie tries to derail the train, which arguably she already attempted to do by punting the Riddle Hamster. |
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Post by Gemminie on Nov 1, 2023 15:38:34 GMT
After backing away from the apparition of Robot-with-the-wooden-arm until she fell off the bridge, Annie suddenly found herself at the bottom, seemingly without having to do any falling first, and Renard and all the New People appear to be with her, including the black-haired one, and the bald one carrying the CPU box. They're on the Forest shore of a recreation of the Annan Waters, and the Forest-side cliff and the bridge tower above them in a curved perspective making it look like they're at the bottom of a hole.
Annie, of course, recognizes this place and says so. She's not soaking wet, she's still holding the radio, and Renard is there with her, all of which weren't true the first time she was down here. In fact, none of the others with her have ever been here – with the possible (but not definite) exception of whoever the black-haired NP may be. So it's pretty clear that this particular manifestation/scenario/excursion is built from Annie's memory. What will happen next in this manifestation? Probably some sort of allegorical representation of what happened here before, but a lot happened. Will Annie finally realize that Jeanne marked her? ("I had a huge bloody gash on my face that whole time and nobody told me?" "Um, Coyote did tell you." "OK, but I thought he was lying!")
I don't think we're going to see anything from the time Annie threw her blinker stone down or from the mission to release Jeanne and her boyfriend, because those took place on the Court side of the Waters and they're clearly on the Forest side right now (since we see the bridge to the left).
Wondering whether I'm going to see any more evidence in favor of my "ethereal blood created the Seed Bismuth" theory. If a recreation of Jeanne makes an appearance, and she cuts Annie's face again, and Annie sees her blood soaking into the soil and making some representation of the broken Tic-Toc grow like a plant, is she going to realize something about the Seed Bismuth? The bismuth crystals at the hearts of the New People that Annie saw in the Ether earlier in this chapter suggest that the Seed Bismuth may play a part in this chapter. Is this it? Is she going to realize that a lot of ethereal entities had to bleed to create the original Seed Bismuth, which was supposed to be for the benefit of all, so they were understandably enraged when the Court hijacked it for their own purposes? Most of this is speculation, but are we going to see support for it?
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Post by drmemory on Nov 1, 2023 19:16:02 GMT
I'm grateful it wasn't a death plummet.
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Post by drmemory on Nov 1, 2023 19:34:49 GMT
As for the poll... Hmmm... Hmmm! It seems to me that we're probably still in the same scene. They found the bridge, old beat-to-shit possessed robot arrived and pushed Annie, they reappeared under the bridge at the River Annath (rather than replaying the death plummet)... If it is Annie's adventures at the bottom of the gorge we're seeing revisited, we should next see the fairies, then the glow from Jeanne across the river, then Jeanne with a sword taking a swipe at Annie, then the psychopomps, and finally Kat on her anti-grav scooter. Good times! Oh, Shadow 2 was there too. The question of this is what is meant to be shown and to whom. The previous scene, we saw how Ysengrin respected Annie and was protecting the forest. This may have been aimed at Renard. But the NP were also there and saw it as well, so they could also be the audience. Specifically, if that suspicious dark-haired NP girl is a version of Zimmy, maybe she's the intended audience? Maybe not though. Renard is also a candidate - he was the one that had to rethink his thoughts about Ysengrin, and he wasn't actually in the gorge for the original of this scene, so he may be missing information. The only audience members that saw the forest scene that definitely were not around for the original event were the NP. They were also there for the aborted desert scene - I don't know that we learned what was meant to be taught then, unless the lesson was "Annie doesn't take shit from Coyote and won't play his games". Which is possible. Where I'm heading with this is that I think that, even though some of the others that were around for the original scene may show up, showing Annie's relationship with the psychopomps, specifically naked-chest owl dude, may be the point. That seems like a more important thing about Annie than her relationships with the others. This is the first time we actually saw a psychopomp try to manipulate Annie, and Coyote may think that Renard or fake NP girl need to know about all of that.
On a separate topic, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of "fake NP girl" being Loup. 
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 2, 2023 3:35:45 GMT
I wouldn't rule out the possibility of "fake NP girl" being Loup. It is a reality distortion so pretty much anything's possible. We can only talk in probabilities. Seriously, if I were Antimony I'd be trying to go to that time Anja summoned Brinnie. And then try to summon Brinnie again, hopefully get some help with the mess even if she's not the real Brinnie... though she might be. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 2, 2023 6:27:56 GMT
Double post for bonus points! Funny thing is, this kind of strengthens the whole "boss level" video game RPG thing. Annie is the main character, and the game requires her to be down there, whether she gets pushed off or if she just vertigos herself down. The fact that the New People Characters - and even Rey, who should know better - are also suddenly and unexpectedly down there really suggests that Annie's "driving" the crazy train, as others have suggested. The others have to be down there, even assuming that they're even actually real. Like Goofy and Donald, they have to go where Sora goes. EDIT: And of course, a train can only go where there are tracks laid by.... Zimmy? Kat? Coyote? A whole team of game developers... Unless Annie tries to derail the train, which arguably she already attempted to do by punting the Riddle Hamster. It occurred to me that if the answer to Coyotedawg's riddle was a story then they can be where they (Antimony, Renard, potentially Zeta) want in the distortion but where they go will dictate some events associated with that location. CoyoteDawg may or may not have been Coyote, he might have been an impression of what Antimony imagined an encounter with Coyote would be like on his home turf. The encounter with the Ysengrin and the Antimony's fire seemed like they were at least flavored by Antimony's perspective, though the events that played out there could just be passively observed without ill effects. The setup at this current location may have been unavoidable, but I think if they don't derail the story that will try to play out Antimony might get another cut on her face... which may or may not last after the distortion's end. |
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Post by ctso74 on Nov 2, 2023 13:30:03 GMT
Queue KALEO "Way Down We Go".
Will it be an idealized Jeanne or face-cutting Jeanne? Both?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 2, 2023 22:14:28 GMT
Queue KALEO "Way Down We Go". Will it be an idealized Jeanne or face-cutting Jeanne? Both? If it's colored by Antimony's experiences I guess both, maybe bigger/more scary but also with a touch of post-liberation Jeanne. Not sure how that will play out but a middle-of-the-road case would be, "Oh hey, you red-haired girl, there's something familiar about your face-" [slice] "Wow, why'd I do that? Hmm, maybe I can fix it?" [rub] "Haha, good as new, sorry about the blood on your shirt... ok gtg bye." |
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Post by arf on Nov 3, 2023 7:40:00 GMT
... and Jeanne wins
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