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Post by bedinsis on Oct 2, 2023 7:07:34 GMT
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Post by arf on Oct 2, 2023 7:19:10 GMT
A memory... of this? I am a little confused by the logic here. Initially going toward something familiar that wasn't, so why do that again? And wasn't running toward the (sun) light what got them to where they are now? |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 2, 2023 7:21:17 GMT
If she shifted without the others, hopefully she can have Renard help them get to where she is. A memory... of this? I am a little confused by the logic here. Initially going toward something familiar that wasn't, so why do that again? And wasn't running toward the (sun) light what got them to where they are now? Space isn't the only thing that's distorted here. This distortion is at least twice as strong as Zeta's usual ones. Maybe it's best to think about it like a semi-lucid dream. |
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Post by bicarbonat on Oct 2, 2023 7:48:15 GMT
The mention of sunlight through leaves reminds me of the tree that Annie and Kat sat under – another spatially weird location.
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Post by blahzor on Oct 2, 2023 7:59:51 GMT
Treatise 10 up in this bish
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Post by mochakimono on Oct 2, 2023 8:10:21 GMT
I admit, I don't understand what's happening overall. But the art has been very pretty!
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Post by philman on Oct 2, 2023 8:37:37 GMT
I admit, I don't understand what's happening overall. But the art has been very pretty! Same, I have been quite confused the last few weeks of pages, but maybe it's one of those stories that is more logical when read in a binge sort of way rather than week to week |
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Post by blahzor on Oct 2, 2023 9:42:35 GMT
I admit, I don't understand what's happening overall. But the art has been very pretty! They have been metaphorically transported somewhere where they are metaphorically moving in like usual (remember the whole spider Jack thing, they walked around a lot but never left the roof) but this time it's intensified greatly because of Coyote |
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Post by blahzor on Oct 2, 2023 9:47:02 GMT
A memory... of this? I am a little confused by the logic here. Initially going toward something familiar that wasn't, so why do that again? And wasn't running toward the (sun) light what got them to where they are now? I think it's because she Thought it was familiar. The sun is always familiar because it's always there in the day |
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Post by hnau on Oct 2, 2023 10:24:09 GMT
Sunlight is traveling through space, so it should be somehow affected by space compression and distortion.
Even with normal Court compression, there should be slightly less sunlight available as the light for a normal area of space is stretched to illuminate a bigger area of Court space.
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Post by guntherkrieg on Oct 2, 2023 10:40:42 GMT
A memory... of this? I am a little confused by the logic here. Initially going toward something familiar that wasn't, so why do that again? And wasn't running toward the (sun) light what got them to where they are now? It's one of those things that tries to sound poetic/meaningful but doesn't actually make much sense. |
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Post by laaaa on Oct 2, 2023 11:01:24 GMT
Personally, I'm pretty hyped about this. I kept wondering how the star ocean worked (transporting people metaphorically through literal space) and I'm very glad we are currently getting a demonstration. I am also reminded of some games (like Senua) which had perspective riddles, where you had to have a certain viewpoint for your surroundings to make sense or a problem to be solved.
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Post by ctso74 on Oct 2, 2023 13:58:40 GMT
Moving without moving.
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Post by autumnrook on Oct 2, 2023 14:25:22 GMT
The mention of sunlight through leaves reminds me of the tree that Annie and Kat sat under – another spatially weird location. I think you may be right. Check out panel 4. |
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Post by Gemminie on Oct 2, 2023 14:43:46 GMT
After some speculation from Kat that Coyote, Loup, Zimmy, etc. may have messed up the Court's space compression whatever thing, Annie goes over what they've tried up to now in their attempt to travel. Annie first headed toward something that looked like the Court but wasn't, then after being attacked by monsters, they ran to someplace far away but unfamiliar. Renard guesses that they should find something familiar and head toward it, but Annie and the New People aren't seeing much around them that's familiar.
Then Renard looks skyward and says that everyone recognizes the sun. Some fantastic artwork here, an image drawn as if looking up from the ground at the sun, showing Renard looking up at it, then an image of Annie seen from above, squinting at the sun, holding up her hand in front of her eyes, the shadows of her fingers falling across her face.
Then a first-person shot from Annie's point of view, looking up at the sun, the light coming between her fingers, and what looks like some overhanging trees backlit by sunlight. Given Tom's comment "There's a memory in there somewhere," this may be how they travel now, by finding the familiar, meaning things that trigger memories.
But in this case, whose memory is being triggered? Well, probably Annie's, considering that the final frame is clearly from Annie's point of view. What particular memory is being triggered? Something from one of her visits with Coyote? Something from one of her training sessions with Ysengrin? Something from the summer she spent in the Forest with the Tree People? Something from one of the times she went into that habitat with the tree and hung out with Kat (of course, that wasn't the real sun)? The thing is, if they're trying to get back to the Court, sunlight through the leaves doesn't seem like the right memory to focus on. But it may be all they've got. Maybe something from "Residential," because Young's Park did have trees.
And what kind of traveling are they doing here? Are they going to all find themselves in some kind of recreated memory scenario? Or are they going to find themselves in the location of the memory, but as it appears now? Will they be in the site of that memory, but will it be distorted? What I mean is, suppose it's a memory from the summer Annie spent in the Forest, will they find themselves in a recreation of the Tree People's village, in the ruins of what used to be that site, or in that physical location but with some kind of distortion applied to it? And will they all go there, or will it only be Annie, since the others don't have that memory? Maybe the New People will remember looking up at the Sun from Kat's lab and find themselves there.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Oct 2, 2023 15:58:49 GMT
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 2, 2023 16:22:58 GMT
For people having trouble with this: We don't tend to think about it much but we move by changing ourselves. Consider a snake; it doesn't have limbs but it manipulates its own shape and by doing so it gets around just fine. Antimony now finds herself in a place where walking or running won't get her anywhere. The ether makes a subjective perspective a teeny bit real (and vice-versa) on a regular basis, more so in Gillite and the Court than elsewhere, but inside this distortion mental events are even more real than usual. Remember the old Chuck Norris joke about how he doesn't walk, he rotates the world beneath him? Maybe you can remember being young enough that you actually thought about the world as something you rotated beneath you as your young self struggled with balance as you walked, reaching out to grab things to steady yourself. If not, then think about how the scene can transition when you dream. Perhaps most of the time you're just elsewhere without really processing how you got there. If it's a lucid dream you have some control over what you do and where you go but unless you're in the right frame of mind for it you can't just be elsewhere. The distortion is a mental event like a dream, but also like reality... and like reality things that happen here can have real consequences. Exactly what those consequences are remains to be seen but if a character becomes transmogrified or dies in here it's as real as they let it be. Likewise the sunlight is just something where Antimony is/was that she's grabbing onto to help her change herself in a way that will not allow her to move, but just be elsewhere. The real trick will be not only being where she wants to be but herding the Noobmenz safely along with her.
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Post by drmemory on Oct 3, 2023 5:25:51 GMT
The only times I can remember where Annie might have seen a blinding sun through leaves are the cherry incident (as others have already mentioned) and various visits with Coyote in the forest. Honestly I'd be inclined to think the memory being triggered is more likely to be a forest thing, because the cherry tree was inside an artificial biome, looked after by the gardener married to a tree (dryad). I can't think of any reason why Coyote would have been present for that, in any form. Of course if he's pulling things from Annie's memories, then all bets are off. Also, I can't think of a specific incident where Annie was in the forest, looking at the sun through leaves. She spent a lot of time there with Coyote doing various things, like telling him stories about himself so he could hear them for the first time. But again, I can't recall a specific incident that would match. I doubt very much that we're seeing stuff from Zimmy's memories right now. It almost has to be from Coyote's or Annies. Really, it might make sense for it to be from Coyote's mind, as we saw him spending time in the desert in the bonus comic. Ysengrin and Renard were around for that too, but Renard seems adrift at the moment. Of course that might not really be Renard, or at least not all of Renard! Ysengrin is a possibility though. If he were ever going to put in an appearance, this would be the time! When it comes down to it, what we are seeing (well what Annie and Renard and the NP are seeing) is... whatever Coyote wants them to see. I'm not sure logical analysis really applies to the situation. We have no idea how much of what we are seeing is real. If any.
If they aren't really moving much (based on Kat's location info) then we are probably seeing memory constructs, and everyone is probably still about where they started. As I said, my best guess for the current scene is "Coyote memory". In which case we may be about to see a mangy coyote and a dying dude. But that's all guesswork - nothing we are seeing or hearing can be trusted. Including whether the individuals we are seeing are who they appear to be - or even who they think they are.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 3, 2023 6:44:08 GMT
There was also the first time we saw Ketrak... but there are a lot of times that Antimony could have seen the sun through some foliage. |
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Post by blahzor on Oct 3, 2023 7:48:20 GMT
There was also the first time we saw Ketrak... but there are a lot of times that Antimony could have seen the sun through some foliage. Still think the closest thing is Triesties 10 or the solo Annie side story |
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Post by pyradonis on Oct 3, 2023 19:33:15 GMT
A memory... of this? I am a little confused by the logic here. Initially going toward something familiar that wasn't, so why do that again? And wasn't running toward the (sun) light what got them to where they are now? My best guess is that Annie was and is of the opinion that searching for something familiar is a good idea, and it only didn't work the first time because those buildings turned out not to be the Court after all. While one will usually not believe that something is the sun when it is actually something else. I guess. |
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