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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 4, 2023 7:07:05 GMT
I ask of thee a sore day, a red day, a red dawn, ere the sun rises! |
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Post by bicarbonat on Aug 4, 2023 7:41:41 GMT
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Post by arf on Aug 4, 2023 9:14:05 GMT
Zimmy was a long way away. Will Rey and Annie have time to duck?
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Post by gpvos on Aug 4, 2023 9:14:32 GMT
The red is Coyote's power?
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Post by arf on Aug 4, 2023 9:17:55 GMT
...and it looks like tree wolf has been unbound.
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Post by madjack on Aug 4, 2023 9:48:21 GMT
...and it looks like tree wolf has been unbound. That looks more like one of the massive trees that sprouted in the Court. The void bubble bigger than it, by quite a way. Welp. |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Aug 4, 2023 10:08:22 GMT
Spoopy
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Post by blahzor on Aug 4, 2023 10:22:52 GMT
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Post by jasmijn on Aug 4, 2023 11:17:45 GMT
I'm sure this is fine!  |
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Post by arf on Aug 4, 2023 12:55:45 GMT
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Post by ctso74 on Aug 4, 2023 13:47:47 GMT
I, for one, welcome our new arachnid overlords.
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 4, 2023 15:29:00 GMT
Zimmy was a long way away. Will Rey and Annie have time to duck? They will only have time to quack. “Let’s call it an additional incentive…” |
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Post by rabbit on Aug 4, 2023 17:23:50 GMT
I ask of thee a sore day, a red day, a red dawn, ere the sun rises! Ooh, if Patrick Swayze is in this fight, it's really gonna be epic! ("Steel Dawn" would have worked here, too.)
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 4, 2023 18:19:00 GMT
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 4, 2023 19:02:06 GMT
I ask of thee a sore day, a red day, a red dawn, ere the sun rises! Ooh, if Patrick Swayze is in this fight, it's really gonna be epic! ("Steel Dawn" would have worked here, too.)
Gotta stick with "red dawn." I think it's an accidental improvement on the original line from Tolkien. The quote I used is, to the best of my recollection, from a fan-translation (likely a mostly-mechanical translation) of an isekai amateur webnovel with a western fantasy theme. I remember trying to find the raw to see if it was a nod from the original author, an accidental backwash based on the author's recollection of whatever the translation of the LOTR rendered the original quote as in the author's native language, or something the translator did/added in manually while editing what the machine spat out to suit their personal preferences... but was not able to come to a conclusion because the part I wanted was paywalled. The webnovel had a spirit-driven magic system so spells nearly always started with what the translator rendered as "I ask of thee" (which explains the first part) and that appeared imho to be reasonably faithful to the original... so I figure it's probably pretty close... but even if I had all the raws I would have to study Korean a lot to know if the rest was faithful to what the author wrote or not. [edit] The substitution of "sore" for "sword" is something that someone who heard/read the original quote in English would do, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the formulation is from the translator. The author could have watched/read LOTR in English. It could be autocorrect, or something else. [edit] |
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Post by drmemory on Aug 4, 2023 19:31:22 GMT
We've never seen Zimmyland from outside before. Looks like it's a dome-like or possibly spherical area of effect.
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Post by Gemminie on Aug 4, 2023 19:48:35 GMT
The dark dome continues to expand, now taking on a bit of a red tinge in the center. It engulfs another building, deconstructing its bricks and replacing it with what appears to be a bare tree. It seems that other buildings-turned-trees are visible in the distance.
We then see the growing dome in the distance, as Annie and Renard seem to have noticed it. We can't see the expressions on their faces as they're turned away from us and toward the developing event, but Annie's posture looks very fight-or-flight, her arms and legs separated and her fingers splayed. Two vaguely-defined figures in the near distance appear to have noticed it too, as they also look as if they're observing it in stark awe. Tom's remark, "Something's coming," suggests that there may be some time for people to get away – though how far they'll get before the leading edge overtakes them is anyone's guess.
So it appears that rather than a dark city, the interior of the affected area is becoming a dark forest, and we haven't seen a single leaf on any of the trees being created, so it's likely a terrifying dark forest of dead trees. I doubt it'll be able to transform Annie or Renard, as their bodies are made out of non-Court physical matter, but I'm not sure about the New People – are they made out of Seed Bismuth material, or ordinary matter? I suspect normal matter, though, as I doubt Kat would have handed out her matter reformatter devices to them as readily if they could've been used as deadly weapons on New People. If this phenomenon engulfs the entire Court area, the humans and New People will probably be fine, and likely the tree elves and other beings too, but any Court buildings are probably about to become trees. Can the tree people use their wood-bending gift on these trees? But also, how much of what's going on inside the dome is real, and how much is illusion?
Also, what happens when this reaches Kat's lab? I'm not sure where Zimmy and Gamma were, relative to Kat's lab and the ruins where Annie and Renard are, so I'm not sure whether Kat's already been engulfed or whether she's farther away from it than Annie is. Will Kat's technology work within the changed area? Is her computer going to end up inside or outside of it? Did she get all those CPUs transferred into new bodies yet?
And why is this happening? We have some kind of combination of Coyote's powers with Zimmy's gift/curse/whatever, with some Ysengrin and maybe Lana thrown in. Coyote had a way of managing the Forest that seems to have been some sort of organized confusion, balancing chaos against itself such that the more chaotic it was, the better it held together. Is that organization-via-disorganization principle somehow combining with a Zimmy etheric distortion? I have no idea what's even going on; this is just guesswork.
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Post by grahamf on Aug 4, 2023 21:04:35 GMT
If we don't get Coyote saying "I did not know this would happen" I'll be chuffed.
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Post by blahzor on Aug 5, 2023 1:54:03 GMT
would be nice for them to get out and stretch their legs |
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 5, 2023 6:25:53 GMT
I doubt it'll be able to transform Annie or Renard, as their bodies are made out of non-Court physical matter, but I'm not sure about the New People – are they made out of Seed Bismuth material, or ordinary matter? This may be a problem of etheric presence rather than material. I mean, the old robots were almost entirely “electric appliances”. Or common properties of living tissues. Maybe even as an adaptation specifically to resist this sort of thing. I suspect normal matter, though, as I doubt Kat would have handed out her matter reformatter devices to them as readily if they could've been used as deadly weapons on New People. I don’t. Kat can be oblivious to things until they get in the way and not big on “safety first” (which led to the chip arc). Not sure about security, but seems rather overconfident. She does not go full Mad Scientific Method, but jumping over steps in sheer enthusiasm shows now and then. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 5, 2023 8:22:24 GMT
Since I think of the Gunnerverse as a continuum between ether and matter I think the stuff that the Court and Gillite Wood is made is a sort of proto-matter that's a notch or two up the scale from regular matter. That makes me hypothesize that Kat's digging tools 1. probably wouldn't work well outside of the Court if at all 2. would similarly have greatly lessened or no effect on people who've been eating food made from regular matter (imported from outside the Court) all their lives 3. would have a lessened or no effect on things made from matter (which may or may not include the NP(C?)s since we don't know where their materials come from) 4. probably will disrupt/modify any Seraphs that are lurking in the area since we saw them change during the Love Boat incident which makes me infer their materials are at least partly locally produced (and I think we can expect a more bestial version this time) 5. would have lessened effect on people who've been eating imported food for some months (like wood elves). If the tools are specifically designed to move only the middle-ground material which spewed from the forest and buried the robots then that goes double. All that allows for Kat not installing any safety protocols on them or if the protocols somehow become disabled but goes out the window if the Coyluzimuotey Effect morphs the tools into something nastier. The stuff that's being/will be manifested out of whole cloth as part of the Coyluzimuotey Effect presumably will be even higher on the continuum than the proto-matter that Kat's tools were designed to work on, so I'm tentatively predicting Kat's tools will work better on it. If there's no safety protocols or if they don't recognize Nobodies as people then they'll probably glop the biggest Nobodies with ease. Kat may not be that fond of bugs so there's a chance they'll splat Whitelegs too. Not sure anyone will think to use Kat's digging tools for those purposes, though. Might make things too easy on the protagonist. |
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Post by hp on Aug 7, 2023 4:38:20 GMT
Kat has never been in Zimmingham (her version walking around there in chapter 19 was a "nobody"). Wonder if when she get Akiraed by Zimmy along with everybody, she'll be able to see through the illusions like she did in the Realm of The Dead?
(Edit to add an unrelated question: how do we add that spoiler tag to hide things? Is there a button or we need to add it by hand inside BBCode?)
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Post by storyteller on Aug 7, 2023 16:22:11 GMT
Kat has never been in Zimmingham (her version walking around there in chapter 19 was a "nobody"). Wonder if when she get Akiraed by Zimmy along with everybody, she'll be able to see through the illusions like she did in the Realm of The Dead?
(Edit to add an unrelated question: how do we add that spoiler tag to hide things? Is there a button or we need to add it by hand inside BBCode?)
Given how strange Zimmy is I wonder if Kat would be able to peel down to what Zimmy thinks is the horrible thing she did. (Especially if Zimmy actually didn't do it) |
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Post by Runningflame on Aug 7, 2023 17:02:12 GMT
I ask of thee a sore day, a red day, a red dawn, ere the sun rises! Gotta stick with "red dawn." I think it's an accidental improvement on the original line from Tolkien. The quote I used is, to the best of my recollection, from a fan-translation (likely a mostly-mechanical translation) of an isekai amateur webnovel with a western fantasy theme. I remember trying to find the raw to see if it was a nod from the original author, an accidental backwash based on the author's recollection of whatever the translation of the LOTR rendered the original quote as in the author's native language, or something the translator did/added in manually while editing what the machine spat out to suit their personal preferences... but was not able to come to a conclusion because the part I wanted was paywalled. The webnovel had a spirit-driven magic system so spells nearly always started with what the translator rendered as "I ask of thee" (which explains the first part) and that appeared imho to be reasonably faithful to the original... so I figure it's probably pretty close... but even if I had all the raws I would have to study Korean a lot to know if the rest was faithful to what the author wrote or not. [edit] The substitution of "sore" for "sword" is something that someone who heard/read the original quote in English would do, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the formulation is from the translator. The author could have watched/read LOTR in English. It could be autocorrect, or something else. [edit] Huh, this is very interesting. I recognized the quote and also that it seemed "off," but I didn't remember that it was from the Lord of the Rings. But on the subject of authors borrowing from previous literature, I've always suspected that Tolkien adapted this speech from a description of Ragnarök in the Norse Poetic Edda. The version I know is a paraphrase from the children's version, D'Aulaires' Norse Gods and Giants, which if memory serves runs as follows: |
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Post by Runningflame on Aug 7, 2023 17:06:14 GMT
Kat has never been in Zimmingham (her version walking around there in chapter 19 was a "nobody"). Wonder if when she get Akiraed by Zimmy along with everybody, she'll be able to see through the illusions like she did in the Realm of The Dead? (Edit to add an unrelated question: how do we add that spoiler tag to hide things? Is there a button or we need to add it by hand inside BBCode?)
Ah, but Kat has been in Zimmingham, in The Torn Sea. She saw all the same stuff everyone else did. I think once Zimmy's mind starts affecting things in the real world, it's not an illusion anymore. I don't think there's a button to add the spoiler tag. I always add it by hand. |
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Post by blahzor on Aug 8, 2023 1:43:50 GMT
Kat has never been in Zimmingham (her version walking around there in chapter 19 was a "nobody"). Wonder if when she get Akiraed by Zimmy along with everybody, she'll be able to see through the illusions like she did in the Realm of The Dead? (Edit to add an unrelated question: how do we add that spoiler tag to hide things? Is there a button or we need to add it by hand inside BBCode?)
Ah, but Kat has been in Zimmingham, in The Torn Sea. She saw all the same stuff everyone else did. I think once Zimmy's mind starts affecting things in the real world, it's not an illusion anymore. I don't think there's a button to add the spoiler tag. I always add it by hand. The torn sea wasn't zimmingham it was a semi controlled distortion that's why they took so many steps to make it work and was so easily shattered |
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