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Post by arf on Jul 24, 2023 7:27:13 GMT
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Post by arf on Jul 24, 2023 7:29:56 GMT
With Coyote apparently resurrected, I am interested to see how much of Loup is left in Jarred.
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Post by madjack on Jul 24, 2023 7:31:39 GMT
He's probably too busy losing it to notice Annie or Rey even said anything.
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Post by Angry Individual on Jul 24, 2023 7:51:32 GMT
Terrible luck, old chap.
I say, what a conundrum we're facing! - Reynard, probably.
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Post by blahzor on Jul 24, 2023 8:04:15 GMT
Oh maybe you shouldn't have been more human you'd take this better and not go on a Oppinheimer level rampage
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Post by Igniz on Jul 24, 2023 8:40:41 GMT
With a certain dead canine doing as he pleases in real time, there's the possibility that Loup is not Coyote + Ysengrin, but rather Good Old GrumpY + [some of] Coyote's powers and chunks of his essence. What much of the latter he still possesses within remains to be seen. With Coyote apparently resurrected, I am interested to see how much of Loup is left in Jarred. Jerrek = Loup with newfound emotions? |
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Post by philman on Jul 24, 2023 8:44:17 GMT
With Coyote apparently resurrected, I am interested to see how much of Loup is left in Jarred. If Coyote is back, then is what is left in Jerrek just Ysengrin? The angry angry being kept in check solely by his respect and fear for Coyote? Last time he killed and ate Coyote as soon as he had the power to do so, but that was all part of Coyote's plan. This time will he do it for real? Oh maybe you shouldn't have been more human you'd take this better and not go on a Oppinheimer level rampage You mean how he took it better last time and destroyed half the Court? |
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Post by blahzor on Jul 24, 2023 9:23:28 GMT
With Coyote apparently resurrected, I am interested to see how much of Loup is left in Jarred. If Coyote is back, then is what is left in Jerrek just Ysengrin? The angry angry being kept in check solely by his respect and fear for Coyote? Last time he killed and ate Coyote as soon as he had the power to do so, but that was all part of Coyote's plan. This time will he do it for real? Oh maybe you shouldn't have been more human you'd take this better and not go on a Oppinheimer level rampage You mean how he took it better last time and destroyed half the Court? Yes It was mostly anyway. This time it's a Kaiju vs Kaiju fight incoming... Maybe |
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Post by gpvos on Jul 24, 2023 9:55:50 GMT
Annie and Rey should be running away. Next page: simultaneous Zimmy- and Loupsplosion.
Edit: actually, this would be an excellent moment to press the button and cage Loup, to protect everyone.
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Post by jasmijn on Jul 24, 2023 11:16:24 GMT
That's rough, buddy.
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Post by stef1987 on Jul 24, 2023 12:16:29 GMT
That's a really dumb and out of character thing to say for Renard
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Post by mspace on Jul 24, 2023 12:42:34 GMT
That's a really dumb and out of character thing to say for Renard Not if Rey wants to bait Loup to go after Coyote . . . ![Hola]() |
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 24, 2023 13:31:54 GMT
Have you ever been so angry that your eyes start swirling red?
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Post by Gemminie on Jul 24, 2023 16:01:44 GMT
As Jerrek/Loup kneels in anguish, Annie reaches toward him, but her fingertips curl away; she doesn't know whether to be comforting or whether that would be bad. She tries to say something but can't come up with anything. Renard puts in an appearance (we knew he was around somewhere), but what he says isn't terribly comforting. And then we have three stacked horizontal frames of Jerrek/Loup thinking of Lana and experiencing increasing agitation. In the third his skin is taking on a streaked or veined look, and the red color appears in his irises as it has when he's lost control and become Loup. I suspect Coyote (whether he's an echo or not) chomped Lana (whether she's alive or not) in an attempt to jolt Loup out of his Jerrek disguise; he did say that Loup had fallen too far into his disguise, and he knows that can happen because it's happened to him. I still think it's echo-Coyote, but even if that's real Coyote, it's a less-powerful Coyote (though one that can still eat a human-sized creature), because he seems to need Loup's power – if he were original Coyote, he wouldn't need Loup to use the power he gave him to go after the new god who dares interfere with his plans. And he needs Loup to be Loup to do that. Will Jerrek return to Loup form? If so, will he abandon the disguise utterly and thus no longer be in love with Lana? Will he then be fine with doing what Coyote wants? Or will he retain his feelings for Lana and go after Coyote to get her back or at least take revenge? Or ... will he do something else? If this is an echo of Coyote, it's formed out of Loup's power, and he may be able to just unmake it, taking the power back into himself. I can also imagine that Loup may take on a new form, a sort of Jerrek with Loup's powers, keeping his identity, his devotion to Lana, and his unwillingness to do Coyote's bidding. Coyote's hanging out with Zimmers at the moment, but what happens when Loup shows up? "Huh, guy who's part of another guy who isn't here ... oh here he is, guy who ate this first guy and turned into a new guy, then turned into another new guy, then this first guy came out of him. Don't see that every day." |
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Post by shadow3 on Jul 24, 2023 18:13:46 GMT
I imagined Renard's line being said in the voice of Michael Sheen (Good Omens).
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Post by drmemory on Jul 24, 2023 18:55:24 GMT
I was fully expecting Loup to go after Coyote and attack him, possibly kill him (?) if such a thing is even possible, but fear that Reynardine may have just jumped the line...
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Post by rabbit on Jul 24, 2023 20:16:33 GMT
That's a really dumb and out of character thing to say for Renard It did seem like an odd thing for Rey to say. It seemed rather out of character - until I recalled that not all that long ago Loup destroyed Rey's physical form. Rey might be needling him deliberately? "I would be crying with you, old boy, but it seems that MY TEAR DUCTS WERE DESTROYED WITH THE REST OF MY BODY." |
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Post by gpvos on Jul 24, 2023 20:29:39 GMT
I don't think Coyote-echo is formed of Loup's power. It is a part of the original Coyote that he detached and stuck away, like he did with the goose bone and lake water.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 24, 2023 21:28:11 GMT
Coyote describes his post-death appearances as a memory. "Loup" should have Coyote's power but Coyote can do at least some things in this returned state. Munching Lana could be explained away by saying that's just Coyote's manifested body, but he can also exclude Aata from his moment of frozen time with Antimony. He can take back his powers at any point but that would apparently undo his plan. Maybe Coyote is borrowing some power back from "Loup" but that doesn't seem to square with what he's saying to Jerrek/Loup when Coyote tells him to use his powers to find that new god messing with his plan. Coyote both came to Gunnerkrigg Court and didn't, but can this plan of his work if he's back from the dead and borrowing power from himself? That would seem at best to be a paradox. So, maybe he can do some things by virtue of just being Coyote? Coyote is a god so if Coyote is, then maybe he can do some minor god stuff even if he's just a memory. I can't think of any evidence for that to point to in the comic but if the comic is a coming-of-age story about youthful misunderstandings and growing up and stuff. then perhaps this Coyote memory stuff can make more sense from that standpoint. For example, Ch. 13 can be said to be a coded story; on the surface it's about Kat's first crush (Alistair) but more generally it's about an aspect of childhood, a kid getting attached to another kid who moves away and the lack of control kids have about such things. Perhaps this Ysengrin/Loup/Jerrek arc is about a survivor of (narcissistic?) abuse who uses the same tactics and retains memories of their abuser (that continue to cause them pain) who, hopefully, grows away from desiring that sort of power and control over others. So I guess what I'm trying to say is I think that these post-death Coyote reappearances are kinda like a mind virus. Coyote used his power in the past to bring himself back from the dead when specific conditions were met, but the medium for that now is "Loup" and they don't have Coyote's power per se. In world they're paradoxical, but gods can do stuff like that and it doesn't have make sense to us mere mortals. They're probably best understood from high elevation. ...the upshot being that "Loup" should be able to stop Coyote if he wants to and he's psychologically able. He has the raw power to dub Antimony so he could probably bring Lana back from the... dead? ...if he thought of it and he understood enough about what would be involved... but that's another issue. |
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Post by bicarbonat on Jul 24, 2023 21:49:32 GMT
Oh maybe you shouldn't have been more human you'd take this better and not go on a Oppinheimer level rampage Lana and Jerrek: the original Barbenheimer (✨RIP💣) |
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 25, 2023 1:04:48 GMT
Came here to say this.  |
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Post by sosleepy on Jul 25, 2023 1:13:38 GMT
"What a shame... She was a good New human... What a rotten way to die."
- Renard
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Post by lightshade on Jul 25, 2023 2:29:29 GMT
Looks like Jerrek is going with the "go into a nuclear-level rage" emotional way of dealing with things, which I thought was one of two ways he'd likely go. Not that I can blame him but I really think everyone needs to run now and find a safe place to hide cause it's looking like it's gonna be a god vs. god smackdown in the immediate future.
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Post by csj on Jul 25, 2023 18:24:14 GMT
'my emotional surrogate is dead, time to commit unspeakable acts again'
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