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Post by bedinsis on Jul 21, 2023 7:01:03 GMT
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Post by blahzor on Jul 21, 2023 7:03:37 GMT
why is he sad? Lana just went on a trip to see Zimmy
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Post by madjack on Jul 21, 2023 7:07:42 GMT
Is he going to snap and attack Coyote? Right next to Zimmy and Gamma? Well, good thing the stress from that as well as any potential danger to Gamma won't set Zimmy off at all, phew!
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 21, 2023 7:20:56 GMT
Weird as it may sound, I think this page would be improved if Antimony wasn't in it. She's not really doing anything (which is understandable since she didn't know or value Lana as much) and the white turtleneck and red hair draw the eye away from Jerrek, who is the focus of this page.
Possible compromise: Reduce her to a background shape with muted colors.
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Post by arf on Jul 21, 2023 8:00:54 GMT
Annie's watching where Coyote went.
Tom at least *tries* to maintain positions. This has all happened in the space of a couple seconds, so a few gaping looks are to be expected.
I would have thought Rey would be a little more on the ball, though.
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Post by stclair on Jul 21, 2023 9:25:28 GMT
Here's where Cameron Jerrek goes berserk.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jul 21, 2023 9:34:44 GMT
Annie's watching where Coyote went. Tom at least *tries* to maintain positions. This has all happened in the space of a couple seconds, so a few gaping looks are to be expected. I would have thought Rey would be a little more on the ball, though. That is Annie's "I should have pressed the red button" look. |
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Post by laaaa on Jul 21, 2023 11:16:30 GMT
Weird as it may sound, I think this page would be improved if Antimony wasn't in it. She's not really doing anything (which is understandable since she didn't know or value Lana as much) and the white turtleneck and red hair draw the eye away from Jerrek, who is the focus of this page. Possible compromise: Reduce her to a background shape with muted colors. Personally I'm glad Annie is there. Being a psychopomp, I was wondering whether she'd be able to see Lana's soul or something, but she doesn't seem to react to anything in the vicinity. This may be just an artistic choice, but I'm hoping Lana is not really dead. |
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 21, 2023 13:23:19 GMT
Hopefully, we'll discover there's a "live backup" of Lana. Though that will open up deep questions about the meaning of identity, it really rubs me the wrong way, when an organization doesn't have proper backups.
Will Jerrek grieve in sad way, or an angry way? Has Loup grown from his infantile mindset? Will his inner Ysengrin come out?
Two very interesting story developments happening at the same time.
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Post by sosleepy on Jul 21, 2023 13:59:17 GMT
The battle between Loup and Coyote, if it happens, might be pretty much devastating for everything nearby. I wonder if the Court is ready to flee to their new world, because it may be a very good reason to pack their bags and leave before they get caught in the middle of it.
Or they can try and steal their powers one more time while Loup and Coyote are busy with each other.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 21, 2023 14:00:14 GMT
I think that's what they call a "Heroic BSOD" over on TV Tropes. Weird as it may sound, I think this page would be improved if Antimony wasn't in it. She's not really doing anything (which is understandable since she didn't know or value Lana as much) and the white turtleneck and red hair draw the eye away from Jerrek, who is the focus of this page. Possible compromise: Reduce her to a background shape with muted colors. Agree. The panel where other characters are just shown as silhouettes has a much stronger effect, not only focusing on Jerrek but also depicting how he is likely perceiving them right now. Though I bet you ten quatloos that if Annie wasn't shown on the page people would be asking "Where's Annie?" and make wild theories about her having been teleported away or a significant amount of time having passed since Coyote left. Annie's watching where Coyote went. Tom at least *tries* to maintain positions. This has all happened in the space of a couple seconds, so a few gaping looks are to be expected. I would have thought Rey would be a little more on the ball, though. That is Annie's "I should have pressed the red button" look. It would have put him in a cage again, serving nothing. People continue to believe this remote is a Chekhov's Gun, but I really think it was just a red herring, aimed at misleading readers into thinking Loup will be the danger in the coming pages. Hopefully, we'll discover there's a "live backup" of Lana. Though that will open up deep questions about the meaning of identity, it really rubs me the wrong way, when an organization doesn't have proper backups. I hope we don't, or that if there is one, that it won't be used to create a clone of Lana. Because regardless of whether the original Lana is dead or not, using a backup would be creating a clone, another person, but not resurrect Lana. And it really rubs me the wrong way when that fact is just ignored and everyone acts as if the clone was the person they lost. (Also: What organization?) |
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 21, 2023 14:40:29 GMT
In which everyone is shaken by something or other. Personally I'm glad Annie is there. Being a psychopomp, I was wondering whether she'd be able to see Lana's soul or something, but she doesn't seem to react to anything in the vicinity. This may be just an artistic choice, but I'm hoping Lana is not really dead. Also this. Though it’s not clear yet while Annie is busy exercising her neck.. |
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Post by rabbit on Jul 21, 2023 15:07:26 GMT
Will Jerrek grieve in sad way, or an angry way? Has Loup grown from his infantile mindset? Will his inner Ysengrin come out? Two very interesting story developments happening at the same time. On first glance, my thought was "Now we will witness the two stages of etheric god grief: sadness and rage."
But that is probably too simple. What happens when a god, even lost in an NP disguise, learns first-hand the feeling of loss and grief that follows death? Human - and perhaps NP - lives are ephemeral, fragile. No matter how we try to protect them they can slip away for a bad reason, or no reason at all. How will that knowledge change a god? How will it change Ys (if we get to see him again)?
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Post by Gemminie on Jul 21, 2023 18:32:44 GMT
Back to Jerrek and Annie (I thought Renard was around here somewhere, but he doesn't appear in this page). Jerrek is still standing there stunned, while Annie is looking up into the air, presumably in the direction Coyote just zipped off in. We get a close-up of Jerrek staring at the spot on the ground where Lana had been standing until recently, with Annie still looking off into the air after Coyote.
Then we only follow Jerrek. Taking two frames to do it, he goes to the trench left in the ground by Coyote's bite, and falls to his knees. And again we focus on his face, from basically the same angle. His emotion is shifting from stunned to upset as he says Lana's name.
He's going to come to his senses sooner or later. What will he do? Go along with whatever Coyote's doing? Or go after Coyote with a thirst for vengeance? Will Coyote be causing difficulties for Zimmy until Jerrek/Loup shows up, wanting to eat him (again)? And, as some including me speculate, is Lana still alive inside Coyote's mouth? He still hasn't opened it since chomping her.
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Post by Corvo on Jul 21, 2023 19:32:22 GMT
Annie: Oh, uh... M-maybe Kat can get you a new one?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 21, 2023 20:05:23 GMT
I wonder if Jenny (and/or Aata) has something planned for any god-tier beings who are drawn to Zeta.
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Post by Angry Individual on Jul 21, 2023 21:32:46 GMT
I have a strong feeling the answer to that particular scenario is Zeta.
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Post by ophidiophile on Jul 21, 2023 22:23:40 GMT
Weird as it may sound, I think this page would be improved if Antimony wasn't in it. She's not really doing anything (which is understandable since she didn't know or value Lana as much) and the white turtleneck and red hair draw the eye away from Jerrek, who is the focus of this page. Possible compromise: Reduce her to a background shape with muted colors. Have you considered that Annie's next action might be to notice that Jerrek is in distress? That wouldn't make sense if Annie wasn't nearby. |
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Post by ophidiophile on Jul 21, 2023 22:37:18 GMT
Weird as it may sound, I think this page would be improved if Antimony wasn't in it. She's not really doing anything (which is understandable since she didn't know or value Lana as much) and the white turtleneck and red hair draw the eye away from Jerrek, who is the focus of this page. Possible compromise: Reduce her to a background shape with muted colors. Personally I'm glad Annie is there. Being a psychopomp, I was wondering whether she'd be able to see Lana's soul or something, but she doesn't seem to react to anything in the vicinity. This may be just an artistic choice, but I'm hoping Lana is not really dead. Coyote lives to trick people. Which would appeal to him more? Killing Lana to remove an obstacle to Jerrek following Coyote's plan, or pretending to kill Lana to achieve the same, but later revealing that it was just a prank. After all, Coyote likes to think of himself as a master manipulator, even if it is mostly to trick others (and sometimes, himself), and I don't think he would pass up the opportunity to show his superiority over Loup. |
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Post by Igniz on Jul 21, 2023 23:02:01 GMT
Is he going to snap and attack Coyote?   |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 22, 2023 1:06:01 GMT
Weird as it may sound, I think this page would be improved if Antimony wasn't in it. She's not really doing anything (which is understandable since she didn't know or value Lana as much) and the white turtleneck and red hair draw the eye away from Jerrek, who is the focus of this page. Possible compromise: Reduce her to a background shape with muted colors. Have you considered that Annie's next action might be to notice that Jerrek is in distress? That wouldn't make sense if Annie wasn't nearby. I have. The one useful thing that having Antimony on this page supplies is knowledge that, for the first two panels, she is not looking at Jerrek and instead is presumably looking in the direction of where Coyote went. However, since continuity has been broken we don't know if this comic takes place immediately after #2810 (simultaneously with #2811) so we don't know how relevant that is. If Coyote has just now streaked away across the sky it would be natural for Antimony to try to figure out where he is going and guess at how likely he is to come back, and if so how soon. That's a little difficult if you're not used to it. This is something that could be shown by having Antimony appear in the first panel of the next page, or suggested by having a borderless Antimony-shape in the background, cropped and shaded in such a way as not to draw too much attention from Jerrek. Don't get me wrong. If it looks like Coyote may be heading towards Kat's lab (or somewhere else people she knows might be) it would be natural for Antimony to be thinking about what to do with regard to Coyote, possibly for several minutes after Coyote left. With regard to Jerrek, we'll see at what point she remembers he exists and if she thinks she has other immediate priorities at that moment. She might decide that she needs to shake Jerrek out of his state of shock to take some sort of action against Coyote. If there isn't an emergency that needs dealing with, or if it's something that she can leave to the Noobmenz, a moment will arrive where Antimony can choose to react to what Jerrek is going through. Will she act like Anthony and leave him alone with his emotions, as Anthony would want? Or has she developed in another direction? Perhaps we'll see on Monday. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jul 22, 2023 17:08:05 GMT
That is Annie's "I should have pressed the red button" look. It would have put him in a cage again, serving nothing. People continue to believe this remote is a Chekhov's Gun, but I really think it was just a red herring, aimed at misleading readers into thinking Loup will be the danger in the coming pages. Yes. It is so red, it is so button, must press red herring. |
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Post by arf on Jul 23, 2023 7:57:55 GMT
Just another day in the life of a mecha-goddess' sidekick.
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Post by lightshade on Jul 24, 2023 6:58:13 GMT
It's a coin flip as to whether or not Jerrek bursts into tears and howls about how unfair this all is or goes completely berserk, giving into his inner Ysengrin and going off to tear Coyote to shreds. At least that's my two theories on what's going on in his head.
As for Lana, if it does turn out somehow that Kat saved her personality or something, I feel like the worst-case scenario is that she's easily able to get a new body but has absolutely none of the memories of her time with Jerrek since it's just the copy that was made before she was transferred to her new body. Jerrek would be all hopeful for a few moments and then absolutely crushed.
For those who remember it, there was a situation in the often-controversial furry comic Jack where Jack, as a newly created being, doesn't understand why his creators can't simply bring back his first love Jill when she has an untimely death. "You can't bring her back?! What kind of gods are you?!" was what he said in devastation and the words of "What kind of a god are you/am I?" haunted him in some fashion for the entire comic. For a more eternal pop-culture reference, Anakin Skywalker has a similar moment when his mother dies in Star Wars and he gives into the Dark Side, slaughtering the Sand People, and then goes on an angry rant to Padme about how he'll become so powerful he'll be able to prevent people from dying. I think Jerrek might have a variation on the experience as he realizes for all his great power as a god, he's helpless to prevent death from happening, and this might make him completely snap.
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Post by gpvos on Jul 24, 2023 10:43:38 GMT
...and killing Lana while tearing Coyote to shreds. That would be enormously ironic and even more devastating.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 25, 2023 1:00:39 GMT
That thing specifically tracks Loup/Jerrek. It would have put him in a cage again, serving nothing. People continue to believe this remote is a Chekhov's Gun, but I really think it was just a red herring, aimed at misleading readers into thinking Loup will be the danger in the coming pages. Yes. It is so red, it is so button, must press red herring. So button. Much red. Wow. |
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