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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 28, 2023 7:06:08 GMT
I knew we weren't going to have to wait long to see the source of the chapter icon page art. By which I meant the opening page art, not the chapter icon. Seriously, the skyline was a dead giveaway. |
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Post by jda on Jun 28, 2023 7:15:00 GMT
Idk, man. Maybe Coyote didn't know what would happen.
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Post by maxptc on Jun 28, 2023 7:19:33 GMT
"LOUP HAS DEVOURED YOUR LEADERS, YOUR ESCAPE SHIP AND SIX OF YOUR CLOSEST FREINDS. NOW YOU, PAZ, AND SHELL HAVE ASSEMBLED A ROBOT ARMY TO- why are you making that face?"
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Post by mzpx on Jun 28, 2023 7:27:04 GMT
Idk, man. Maybe Coyote didn't know what would happen. The dog doth protest too much, methinks. |
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Post by arf on Jun 28, 2023 7:29:39 GMT
Trust Coyote to talk outside the speech bubble.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 28, 2023 7:34:11 GMT
So... Being a god, Coyote could know anything and stuff he knew through his connection to the ether was Truth, even if it directly contradicts the Truth of another deity. I'm pretty sure that's not the same thing as being omniscient but even if it is, he chose to not know everything he could. What we've seen him do, though, is use this information-gathering on people and then successfully manipulate them. I expect he has a very high degree of success manipulating people because he can literally see right through anyone (except possibly other gods) if he chooses to do so. Coyote can know exactly what makes people tick, so he knows exactly what to say or do to set them up in particular ways, probably provided that he plays a little loose with the truth sometimes or offers people false dilemma, or otherwise artificially limits the number of choices they appear to have. My suspicion is that Coyote telling Antimony that she'll have to kill is part of a self-fulfilling prophesy. If not properly prepared by Coyote she might have frozen or done something less predictable in the actual moment, but if she has to agonize over the supposed-lack-of-choice she'll be more cognizant of the consequences of the actions/inactions available... which of course have been set up by Coyote and thus limited in other ways. That being the case, Coyote is very good at knowing what people can and will do... but he's not perfect and even though I bet he did predict "Loup" would be regretting some of his past actions by now I wonder if he was able to predict the Noobmans' impact on what's been going on, Lana in particular. Coyote might not think of them as people, or if he did, he might not have taken into account what Kat's been up to. |
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Post by philman on Jun 28, 2023 7:52:29 GMT
I still maintain that what Coyote depicts as "this" is not the same as what everyone else is thinking "this" is
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Post by wanderer on Jun 28, 2023 8:20:03 GMT
Starting to get some real Portal 2 "The part where he kills you" vibes here.
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Post by Eily on Jun 28, 2023 8:44:25 GMT
I kind of expect Coyote to have actually misread the situation and what he "knew" would happen didn't happen at all
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Post by baphomet on Jun 28, 2023 8:53:20 GMT
I dunno, we've established that the ether can create history after the fact. Different beings can have lived through different pasts and exist in the same present. Ether relies on belief, and as long as someone believes in one of the histories, that history isn't "wrong".
Coyote is an ethereal trickster, and tricksters are always predicting things in advance that they should have no real way of knowing. The ether is going to keep changing Coyote's past to suit that narrative. I am sure that the Coyote of this moment always knew that this was going to happen. But I am not sure that any Coyote of any prior moment was going to be a Coyote who knew that this would happen. If something else had happened, he wouldn't be a Coyote with a wrong prediction, he would be a Coyote who always knew that other thing would happen instead.
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Post by Igniz on Jun 28, 2023 11:06:19 GMT
"LOUP HAS DEVOURED YOUR LEADERS, YOUR ESCAPE SHIP AND SIX OF YOUR CLOSEST FRIENDS. NOW YOU, PAZ, AND SHELL HAVE ASSEMBLED A ROBOT ARMY TO- why are you making that face?" All you base are belong to Coyote. I still maintain that what Coyote depicts as "this" is not the same as what everyone else is thinking "this" is "I knew you would find love", "I knew you would understand human* emotions", "I knew you would fail your mission", "I knew you would derail from the objective", "I knew you would forget you are a dead goose in a bush next to a lake", "I knew you knew that I knew"... The list can go on (for the time being). By the way, it should be pointed out that, while Kat knows the Loup formerly known as Jerrek, she has yet to see and meet Coyote face to face. |
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Post by blahzor on Jun 28, 2023 11:11:31 GMT
Wonder when we'll get the chapter image
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Post by gpvos on Jun 28, 2023 13:03:07 GMT
By the way, it should be pointed out that, while Kat knows the Loup formerly known as Jerrek, she has yet to see and meet Coyote face to face. Indeed, Kat very conveniently left the scene seven story pages ago. |
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Post by ctso74 on Jun 28, 2023 13:39:39 GMT
I think Coyote is trying to convey something. Something about knowing. He's just so opaque, it could be anything.
Maybe, something to do with field lacrosse?
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Post by blahzor on Jun 28, 2023 13:54:01 GMT
By the way, it should be pointed out that, while Kat knows the Loup formerly known as Jerrek, she has yet to see and meet Coyote face to face. Indeed, Kat very conveniently left the scene seven story pages ago. gonna be weird when she finds out that Coyote is just her |
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Post by sosleepy on Jun 28, 2023 15:41:05 GMT
Thanks for letting us know that Coyote knew this would happen. I've had my doubts before, but now I'm certain Coyote knew this would happen!
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jun 28, 2023 15:46:23 GMT
I still maintain that what Coyote depicts as "this" is not the same as what everyone else is thinking "this" is Yeah, I'm also waiting for the fake-out. "I knew (random character unrelated to the current story) would order Mint Chip!" "I knew that Tom would be invited to (whichever convention is next on his schedule)!" * Next page ends the chapter, "Thanks for Reading!" ** or this is the cover to the best-selling new book, "I Knew This Would Happen" by Kai Yote |
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Post by mturtle7 on Jun 28, 2023 15:49:59 GMT
I dunno, we've established that the ether can create history after the fact. Different beings can have lived through different pasts and exist in the same present. Ether relies on belief, and as long as someone believes in one of the histories, that history isn't "wrong". Coyote is an ethereal trickster, and tricksters are always predicting things in advance that they should have no real way of knowing. The ether is going to keep changing Coyote's past to suit that narrative. I am sure that the Coyote of this moment always knew that this was going to happen. But I am not sure that any Coyote of any prior moment was going to be a Coyote who knew that this would happen. If something else had happened, he wouldn't be a Coyote with a wrong prediction, he would be a Coyote who always knew that other thing would happen instead. I read those first three sentences and immediately reached for my old copypasta rant debunking common misconceptions about the Ether...but then I read on and was like "Oh wait, nvm, that's actually a pretty sensible idea." The ether isn't as flexible or changeable as a lot of people tend to think it is after learning Coyote's Great Secret, but Coyote is kind of a special case, yeah. The nature of his reality in general is so fluid compared to everyone else's, I can actually totally see the Ether pulling these kinds of shenanigans just to make sure his tricks work.
...Incidentally, this is something that's always bugged me a little about Tom's version of Coyote. The Coyote I knew from folklore was a trickster, sure, but it was always kind of a toss-up in any given story whether he would be the kind of trickster who succeeds magnificently or fails comically. Tom's Coyote may have limitations, but when he actually sets out to do something, he just kinda...always wins? Which is, I mean, it's valid, but it's always felt weird to me.
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Post by atteSmythe on Jun 28, 2023 16:38:42 GMT
Trust Coyote to talk outside the speech bubble. Haha, I came to post just this - love that Coyote can't be bothered to fit his words to the speech bubble! |
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Post by Eversist on Jun 28, 2023 18:55:21 GMT
I knew we weren't going to have to wait long to see the source of the chapter icon page art. By which I meant the opening page art, not the chapter icon. Seriously, the skyline was a dead giveaway. In case others hadn't noticed, toggling between the cover page and today's page is just a direct "viewfinder" crop of this page. Pretty fun, especially given that the title pages generally do not pull art directly from the chapter.  |
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Post by bedinsis on Jun 28, 2023 21:32:33 GMT
Seems this will be a chapter with the manic energy of Coyote, as expected.
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Post by ophidiophile on Jun 28, 2023 22:13:32 GMT
gonna be weird when she finds out that Coyote is just her Maybe Coyote is afraid of Kat. He can probably see her ethereal form all the time, which would scare anybody. |
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Post by ophidiophile on Jun 28, 2023 22:16:52 GMT
I wonder if there is any demand for a poster of this image. I think it captures the iconic essence of Coyote, especially his unwillingness to be confined (to speech bubbles), and his claim to have foretold something he indirectly caused.
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 28, 2023 23:48:37 GMT
No end of chapter icon?  gonna be weird when she finds out that Coyote is just her Maybe Coyote is afraid of Kat. He can probably see her ethereal form all the time, which would scare anybody. Meh, since Coyote wasn't scared by the fierce Inugami I don't think he'd be scared by the Mecha Angel either. |
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Post by Igniz on Jun 29, 2023 0:19:27 GMT
or this is the cover to the best-selling new book, "I Knew This Would Happen" by Kai Yote "Kai Yote"? Or... Kat Yote? 🤔 |
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Post by arf on Jun 29, 2023 2:43:25 GMT
gonna be weird when she finds out that Coyote is just her A not impossible prospect. He could also be Robot, or anything that can hang out in a bush by a lake. |
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Post by blahzor on Jun 29, 2023 4:22:11 GMT
gonna be weird when she finds out that Coyote is just her A not impossible prospect. He could also be Robot, or anything that can hang out in a bush by a lake. Except I'm saying that Coyote is Kat not Kat is just Coyote |
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Post by gpvos on Jun 29, 2023 8:48:22 GMT
gonna be weird when she finds out that Coyote is just her Ooh, somewhat like in Asimov's The Gods Themselves? That would be awesome. Unlikely though. |
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 30, 2023 12:25:07 GMT
Idk, man. Maybe Coyote didn't know what would happen. “In this case, how awkward! HAHAHAHAHA!” |
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Post by Gemminie on Jul 3, 2023 15:43:12 GMT
A laughing Coyote says he knew this would happen, echoing the chapter title. His statement has escaped from his word balloon. He's standing amid the ruins (as opposed to some ethereal space or in Tea's non-canon-land), so it may be that he's talking to Annie right after emerging from Jerrek's body – this chapter may follow immediately after the end of the previous one.
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