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Post by arf on Jun 5, 2023 7:07:28 GMT
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Post by Igniz on Jun 5, 2023 8:21:13 GMT
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Post by guntherkrieg on Jun 5, 2023 9:01:07 GMT
What'll be interesting is... when Loup finally gets split back into Coyote and Ysengrin... how much they'll have changed due to their time as Jerrek. I do believe Loup's rapid evolution via Lana is because there was a big part of Ys that just wanted to be be loved unconditionally and that was like an etheric arrow to heart.
Or maybe only Ys will change. Apparently Coyote's time as the goose didn't change him much, him being both infinitely mutable and immutable.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jun 5, 2023 9:32:14 GMT
"Uhhhh..."
Once again, Kat speaks for the reader.
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Post by blahzor on Jun 5, 2023 9:43:16 GMT
Jerrek couldn't see past Kat's cloaking
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Post by ctso74 on Jun 5, 2023 13:28:10 GMT
At least, Lourrick didn't bluntly answer Rey by saying, "Make-out sessions." That would have been an awkward miscommunication, and a much longer "Uhhh" from Kat.
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Post by Gemminie on Jun 5, 2023 17:56:26 GMT
Kat has just confirmed that Jerrek/Loup has brought all the buried robots to the surface and that there are no more beneath the ground. Annie and Kat seem astonished, probably that Loup would go to all this trouble to do something helpful. Renard frowns at Jerrek/Loup and asks what brought about this change.
In the second frame, Jerrek begins his answer to that question. The frame shows a strange Dutch angle, with the ruined Court buildings almost straight up and Jerrek tilted, when in reality he's standing straight up and the buildings are tilted. His explanation begins with Kat: at first he thought she was just some ordinary human, though the New People were very impressed with her. His senses showed him nothing unusual.
We see a manga-like frame showing Kat feeling less than complimented about being called a "mere human." Behind her, Annie is looking toward her.
A frame showing a number of New People working is accompanied by Jerrek's continued narration, saying that over time he came to the conclusion that there was something special about Kat that he couldn't see. Once again, Kat is not comfortable with this. This time, Annie in the background is looking at Jerrek.
But then Jerrek and Lana look blushingly at each other, and he concludes by saying that as a result of Kat's actions, he met Lana.
So he finally gets to the point: he was changed by LUV. Tom's comment: "Kat doesn't know if she should be flattered or offended." I'd say a bit of each, Kat. It looks as if Annie and Kat are sufficiently mollified that they won't be locking him up and stabbing him today. But what about after they think about this for a while? It's still completely possible for him to change his mind and blow up the Court (while protecting Lana, of course). How does this one act prove that he's really changed? In the one frame where we see him, at least, Renard doesn't look as if he trusts Loup yet. Will this convince him?
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Post by crater on Jun 5, 2023 20:35:44 GMT
Called it! Loup was doomed the moment he assumed the body created by Kat
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Post by maxptc on Jun 5, 2023 20:55:08 GMT
Maybe the girls will start taking the religious aspect of the New People a little more seriously now?
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Post by lightshade on Jun 6, 2023 0:28:19 GMT
Now that everyone is (mostly) playing nice, I'm wondering how this whole "Annie kills Loup and Kat kills Zimmy" thing will now occur given no one is in any hurry to destroy the other any longer. I'm beginning to wonder if Jeroup will sacrifice himself to save Lana and Annie kills him almost as a mercy. Still hoping he'll make Jerrek a "real New Person" with the last of his strength before he gets split back into Coyote and Ysengrin so part of him will live on and be forever happy with Lana. As for Kat killing Zimmy, I'm wondering if she might simply use her soon-to-be godlike powers to de-power Zimmy instead, which would be "killing her" in a way given how closely intertwined her powers are with her base personality. Whatever would be left after no longer having the power to warp reality would pretty much be an entirely new person and no longer Zimmy at her core.
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Post by arf on Jun 6, 2023 2:14:40 GMT
"uuuhhh" is the techno-angel's way of saying 'tmi'.
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Post by guntherkrieg on Jun 6, 2023 10:07:30 GMT
At least, Lourrick didn't bluntly answer Rey by saying, "Make-out sessions." That would have been an awkward miscommunication, and a much longer "Uhhh" from Kat. Awkward but 100% the truth. When I was younger I absolutely changed my entire personality based on a good make out session. |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Jun 6, 2023 10:09:05 GMT
Called it! Loup was doomed the moment he assumed the body created by Kat But Loup created that body, not Kat? That's why he's not on the ID network and why Robot didn't recognise him. |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Jun 6, 2023 10:10:16 GMT
part of him will live on and be forever happy with Lana. I believe we may be reading slightly different comics. |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Jun 6, 2023 10:12:11 GMT
to de-power Zimmy instead, which would be "killing her" in a way given how closely intertwined her powers are with her base personality. Given how Siddell tends to go for resolutions that are combination of sneaky twist and ironically dramatic cop-out, you could be right. |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Jun 6, 2023 10:15:42 GMT
Just had a thought. What if Loup gets killed with the tooth... And this causes him to split into Coyote and Ysengrin... but with Ys retaining all of the Jerrek-ness. The new Jerregrin finally gets the love he's been seeking for hundreds of years but as an empowered mortal humanoid.
An interesting fate for a character who started the comic absolutely hating humans.
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Post by aline on Jun 6, 2023 10:27:06 GMT
Now that everyone is (mostly) playing nice, I'm wondering how this whole "Annie kills Loup and Kat kills Zimmy" thing will now occur given no one is in any hurry to destroy the other any longer. I'm beginning to wonder if Jeroup will sacrifice himself to save Lana and Annie kills him almost as a mercy. Still hoping he'll make Jerrek a "real New Person" with the last of his strength before he gets split back into Coyote and Ysengrin so part of him will live on and be forever happy with Lana. As for Kat killing Zimmy, I'm wondering if she might simply use her soon-to-be godlike powers to de-power Zimmy instead, which would be "killing her" in a way given how closely intertwined her powers are with her base personality. Whatever would be left after no longer having the power to warp reality would pretty much be an entirely new person and no longer Zimmy at her core. I think that there is still a very high probability those tragic predictions will come true, just not in the way we expected. We don't know yet what Coyote's plan was. And Kat never had any intention of killing Zimmy, her newfound powers make her more dangerous than ever and there is still a strong chance she might do something irreparable by accident. We also have the small matter that the Court still needs an energy source for its interspacial dystopia to come true and only Loup and Zimmy qualify. And both have the capability of being incredibly destructive and don't have full control of their powers. So who knows what our protagonists might have to do to prevent even more horrible things from happening? That said Kat and Annie both have a history of finding a way out when there is none. Annie died and Kat said F*** that and broke time to create an alternate timeline where she was alive. So I'm also hopeful they will manage to avoid destroying lives. |
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Post by blahzor on Jun 6, 2023 10:44:57 GMT
to de-power Zimmy instead, which would be "killing her" in a way given how closely intertwined her powers are with her base personality. Given how Siddell tends to go for resolutions that are combination of sneaky twist and ironically dramatic cop-out, you could be right. It would be killing her because without the powers why would Gamma stick around and that is true death, the love of your life leaving |
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Post by aline on Jun 6, 2023 10:58:04 GMT
It would be killing her because without the powers why would Gamma stick around and that is true death, the love of your life leaving Weird assumption. Those two stick together because they love each other. The way their powers work together is the reason they stayed together at first, but their relationship is a lot more than that now. |
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Post by gpvos on Jun 6, 2023 11:01:18 GMT
Maybe this has been discussed somewhere already, but I have been wondering some time whether Coyote's plan still covers the current situation. Loup assuming the form of a New Person is probably par for the course, but his transformation by LOVE may be outside Coyote's parameters. But maybe Coyote could look far enough ahead to see this?
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Post by blahzor on Jun 6, 2023 14:07:50 GMT
It would be killing her because without the powers why would Gamma stick around and that is true death, the love of your life leaving Weird assumption. Those two stick together because they love each other. The way their powers work together is the reason they stayed together at first, but their relationship is a lot more than that now. Yeah but Zimmy doesn't seem like the type to not be insecure. She use to not like people talking to Gamma even casually |
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Post by aline on Jun 6, 2023 14:53:11 GMT
Weird assumption. Those two stick together because they love each other. The way their powers work together is the reason they stayed together at first, but their relationship is a lot more than that now. Yeah but Zimmy doesn't seem like the type to not be insecure. She use to not like people talking to Gamma even casually Zimmy is insecure, but what's that got to do with anything? She's not predicting her own death because she's worried Gamma might leave. She's worried about some pretty specific etheric shenanigans connected to Omega (and probably to Loup) I don't think insecurity is how we end up with this page: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2731 ? Plus Zimmy's powers are the source of 99% of her insecurities. I'd bet money she would go on an actual murder spree if it could het her powers erased. |
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Post by maxptc on Jun 6, 2023 16:11:03 GMT
Maybe this has been discussed somewhere already, but I have been wondering some time whether Coyote's plan still covers the current situation. Loup assuming the form of a New Person is probably par for the course, but his transformation by LOVE may be outside Coyote's parameters. But maybe Coyote could look far enough ahead to see this? Like Omega, I don't think Coyete is an unfalable seer, the difference being Coyote could be if he wanted. I think he has been ploting for ages, had his predictions about how events would unfold and those are accurate, but thanks to a variety of events the timeline isn't completely stable. Add to this that Coyete didn't utilize his ability to be all knowing and I think it might be a Coyete had a destination in mind, not necessarily the whole journey. |
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Post by drmemory on Jun 6, 2023 18:52:58 GMT
Loup originally didn't think the NP (and robots) were alive. Now he's saying only the Angel can bring the robots back to life. He also couldn't see anything different from baseline human about Kat. I don't think he does now either - he's just going by her actions (what he's seen of her power).
The question I have is, is he now seeing things differently? Or accepting that things can be true even if he can't see them?
I assume he's giving Lana credit for being alive in some way. Otherwise making out with her would be kind of disturbing.
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 6, 2023 21:52:48 GMT
So does Kat count as in-law?..
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Post by Igniz on Jun 7, 2023 9:28:54 GMT
[...]the Court still needs an energy source for its interspacial dystopia to come true and only Loup and Zimmy qualify. Actually, there is a third person that thanks to her newfound powers is also a likely candidate for such an "honor" more than ever: Kat. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 7, 2023 12:33:49 GMT
[...]the Court still needs an energy source for its interspacial dystopia to come true and only Loup and Zimmy qualify. Actually, there is a third person that thanks to her newfound powers is also a likely candidate for such an "honor" more than ever: Kat. Well, that's assuming her powers are a) truly Etheric in nature (because technically her new powers come from a highly sophisticated technological implant of which we don't know if it contains any Etheric tech), and b) that the Court is aware of this. |
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Post by brendanthenavigator on Jun 7, 2023 12:40:48 GMT
(DELETED: Wrong thread.)
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Post by guntherkrieg on Jun 8, 2023 14:59:33 GMT
Given how Siddell tends to go for resolutions that are combination of sneaky twist and ironically dramatic cop-out, you could be right. It would be killing her because without the powers why would Gamma stick around and that is true death, the love of your life leaving That is literally the opposite of their dynamic? |
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