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Post by madjack on Apr 3, 2023 7:06:39 GMT
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Post by laaaa on Apr 3, 2023 7:40:42 GMT
It's a bit weird listening to them talk about Kat like that, it's not like Kat is a child who has to be led anywhere, and Annie is her own person, not Kat's guardian. What if her owns plans or dreams lead her elsewhere?
Paz is stressed and worried and feels guilty, though, so it's understandable she says those things.
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Post by silicondream on Apr 3, 2023 7:44:23 GMT
Yeesh, Paz is sounding more like a mother than a girlfriend here. Not the first time, of course, or the second. Maybe that's influenced by her family background; it seems like she's accustomed to a complementarian sort of marriage, where (if they were a straight couple) Dad handles the Work and Mom handles Dad. I wonder whether they ever got counseling from Lindsey? |
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Post by laaaa on Apr 3, 2023 8:03:05 GMT
Alternatively:
Annie will lead Kat to greatness allright. SHE WILL LEAD HER TO THE GREAT BEYOND (...eventually)
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Post by philman on Apr 3, 2023 8:07:51 GMT
Yeesh, Paz is sounding more like a mother than a girlfriend here. Not the first time, of course, or the second. Maybe that's influenced by her family background; it seems like she's accustomed to a complementarian sort of marriage, where (if they were a straight couple) Dad handles the Work and Mom handles Dad. I wonder whether they ever got counseling from Lindsey? I think you're maybe reading too much into things, its normal to worry about your significant other or people you love surely, especially if they are doing something dangerous (as Kat demonstrably is), and especially if you are leaving and worry about the nature of the route they will take down the path of megalomaniac machine goddess. |
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Post by taothegreat on Apr 3, 2023 8:20:15 GMT
It might be weird to talk about Kat like this had she not just done something DEEPLY worrying. Like, moments ago they both watched something explode and Kat's lifeless body collapse to the floor. They're both scared for her and not sure how to help - and Paz has evidently concluded that she can't, or shouldn't, be around to try.
This would feel akin to leaving your partner when their casual drug habit is starting to go wrong. You see it coming and don't want to stick around to watch it happen, but you also hope they can be saved from that fate. Paz is feeling guilty and putting her hopes on Annie to keep Kat on the right path - while also trying to reassure Annie she has what it takes to do it.
Of course it's not fair to put that on Annie but I can understand the impulse to say "I can't do this anymore, please look after her".
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Post by laaaa on Apr 3, 2023 8:24:33 GMT
It might be weird to talk about Kat like this had she not just done something DEEPLY worrying. Like, moments ago they both watched something explode and Kat's lifeless body collapse to the floor. They're both scared for her and not sure how to help - and Paz has evidently concluded that she can't, or shouldn't, be around to try. This would feel akin to leaving your partner when their casual drug habit is starting to go wrong. You see it coming and don't want to stick around to watch it happen, but you also hope they can be saved from that fate. Paz is feeling guilty and putting her hopes on Annie to keep Kat on the right path - while also trying to reassure Annie she has what it takes to do it. Of course it's not fair to put that on Annie but I can understand the impulse to say "I can't do this anymore, please look after her". Yeah, you're right... I hadn't been able to think of a real life example. I still think her choice of words is weird ("lead"...?) but she's not a native speaker and this makes more sense now. |
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Post by blahzor on Apr 3, 2023 11:25:19 GMT
What Annie strives on... Overwhelming pressure to do right without fail
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Post by Corvo on Apr 3, 2023 12:07:43 GMT
Annie: Oh, I guess this is not the best time to tell you I'm leaving too, then.
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Post by maxptc on Apr 3, 2023 13:43:41 GMT
Annie: Oh, I guess this is not the best time to tell you I'm leaving too, then. Annie: Oh, I guess this is not the best time to tell you I'm currently planning a murder. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 3, 2023 13:48:09 GMT
Paz didn't say, "I'll feel better knowing you're here for her" as one might expect, instead she says "I'll feel safe knowing you're here for her." On the previous page Paz lays out reasons for ending her relationship with Kat, reasons which included being obsessed with work (less time/attention for Paz) and Kat putting herself in odd/dangerous situations, as well as not knowing where Kat's journey is going and what Kat will become (from which one can infer anxiety about same). Paz appears to be saying that with Antimony here she doesn't need to worry about Kat turning into someone who might do something threatening to her (Paz) but without Antimony that could or would be a concern. Not sure there's evidence in the comic to support that worry unless you count evidence to the contrary because of Antimony.
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Post by ctso74 on Apr 3, 2023 14:02:44 GMT
No pressure.
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Post by Gemminie on Apr 3, 2023 14:23:48 GMT
Annie's just gotten done saying that Kat's going to be devastated. Paz basically says, "It's OK, Annie, you can handle it!" while Annie isn't too sure about that. Paz is smiling but with a tear in her eye, but Annie looks very worried. This feels very much like Paz is dumping Kat and all the emotional fallout on Annie's head. Hmm, that sounds like Paz is dumping Kat on Annie's head. Maybe "Paz is both dumping Kat and dumping all the emotional fallout on Annie's head." I suppose that avoids the questionable zeugma.
And then Kat finds them again. After confirming that they can hear her, she says she'll pull them out. I suppose this must mean that they're at or near enough to the spot where Kat portaled them in, because she says she's going to get them back out now.
Did Kat hear any of that conversation? If so, it doesn't sound as if she's reacting to it. Also, does this mean Kat's body is going to be OK? What's going on in the computer? Is the problem solved? Are they going to come out only to find Kat's body now possessed by some other intelligence while Kat remains stuck in her computer? That would be awesome! OK, not awesome for Kat, Annie, or anybody really, but it would be an awesome plot development. And it would be kind of parallel to when Loup split Annie in half.
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Post by csj on Apr 3, 2023 17:21:04 GMT
paz
did you talk to your gf paz
did you explain your discomfort
it's ok to dump a gf that doesn't listen paz
please paz
your gf doesn't need greatness she needs a reality check
paz
no
you're doing it again paz
you're offloading the problem without properly explaining anything
here we go again
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Post by TBeholder on Apr 3, 2023 18:15:35 GMT
It might be weird to talk about Kat like this had she not just done something DEEPLY worrying. Like, moments ago they both watched something explode and Kat's lifeless body collapse to the floor. They're both scared for her and not sure how to help ... Of course it's not fair to put that on Annie but I can understand the impulse to say "I can't do this anymore, please look after her". Or maybe she’s just too tired from all this worrying by now. A big hot bath and a week of rest without worries would help, but probably won’t fit in the current schedule. you're doing it again paz you're offloading the problem without properly explaining anything here we go again Also, this. Hmm. Paz ostensibly is more inclined toward cooperation, yet… She can carry a burden, she can drop it, she can hand it down… but she cannot share it. Coincidentally, Paz is not a co-conspirator bringing some capabilities to the table, she is there only as Kat’s girlfriend, despite her curious ability and presumably some skills on top of that (as a Court student with some extra responsibilities). |
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Post by drmemory on Apr 3, 2023 19:37:31 GMT
Well, Kat isn't dead, so that's good! She's still talking through machines though. Not sure how good that is. It kinda looks like she's talking through a speaker system this time - like the system the factory uses for announcements. Not a laptop or server-attached device and not a bluetooth speaker. Before, they had to go to where a device was to talk to her. Now, she is talking through the factory system AND CAN HEAR THEM. I take this as evidence that some things have changed.  |
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Post by Runningflame on Apr 4, 2023 0:55:09 GMT
Not the first time someone has told Annie she's a stronger person than they are. The truth is that she just has a better poker face. paz did you talk to your gf paz did you explain your discomfort She's tried that before, but it didn't go so well.
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Post by drmemory on Apr 4, 2023 5:03:19 GMT
Random observation - Annie was there for the very beginning of Pazerina, and now will be there for the very end. Remember the night the girls snuck out, and Paz got all flustered because Matt was leading her on but really was in love with a moon goddess that stole his Zune, and Kat comforted her? Same party where we met Bud. That may have been the first time Annie and Kat slept together as well. (Scoot, Scoot, Dearest.)
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Post by blahzor on Apr 4, 2023 5:48:51 GMT
Now that Paz is going out of the picture. It's finally time for Cookie to take her place
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Post by guntherkrieg on Apr 4, 2023 8:38:05 GMT
Yeesh, Paz is sounding more like a mother than a girlfriend here. Not the first time, of course, or the second. Maybe that's influenced by her family background; it seems like she's accustomed to a complementarian sort of marriage, where (if they were a straight couple) Dad handles the Work and Mom handles Dad. I wonder whether they ever got counseling from Lindsey? [70s comedian]: Wives though, what a piece of work amirite fellas? |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Apr 4, 2023 8:38:57 GMT
Alternatively: Annie will lead Kat to greatness allright. SHE WILL LEAD HER TO THE GREAT BEYOND (...eventually) You are privy to a great becoming! |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Apr 4, 2023 8:40:53 GMT
Now that Paz is going out of the picture. It's finally time for Cookie to take her place Am I imagining it or did we see Cookie and January later and they had updated outfits? |
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Post by blahzor on Apr 4, 2023 10:32:02 GMT
Now that Paz is going out of the picture. It's finally time for Cookie to take her place Am I imagining it or did we see Cookie and January later and they had updated outfits? Index says haven't seen them since page 973 ha |
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 4, 2023 10:52:14 GMT
Well, Kat isn't dead, so that's good! She's still talking through machines though. Not sure how good that is. Well, it's part of what Kat wanted to achieve with this stunt in the first place, so from her POV it's definitely good that it still works. And if she just regained access to her body, she's depending on this technology to communicate with Paz and Annie anyway... At least Annie doesn't seem to own a phone. |
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Post by drmemory on Apr 4, 2023 20:40:07 GMT
Odd thought: What if they go back outside, pulled there by Kat, and it turns out she is now in her mechagoddess form? Just because she has a working user account doesn't necessarily mean that she was able to re-inhabit her meat shell! What's more, I don't know that it would bother her all that much, focused as she is on science and tech. I could almost envision a comedy of errors situation arising, where Paz says she's leaving and Kat assumes it's because of her new body and panics, not realizing Paz had made the decision earlier... Or maybe a different version where she tries to conceal her new form under an implausible NP Kat-like body. We haven't seen an anime-style misunderstanding for too long! |
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Post by Dvandaemon on Apr 6, 2023 13:40:54 GMT
It's a bit weird listening to them talk about Kat like that, it's not like Kat is a child who has to be led anywhere, and Annie is her own person, not Kat's guardian. What if her owns plans or dreams lead her elsewhere? Paz is stressed and worried and feels guilty, though, so it's understandable she says those things. I mean, your mother isn't the only person who can say such things. It's entirely normal for partners to discuss with people in share social circles about their relationship. Don't make concern out to be weird. |
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Post by laaaa on Apr 7, 2023 12:26:33 GMT
It's a bit weird listening to them talk about Kat like that, it's not like Kat is a child who has to be led anywhere, and Annie is her own person, not Kat's guardian. What if her owns plans or dreams lead her elsewhere? Paz is stressed and worried and feels guilty, though, so it's understandable she says those things. I mean, your mother isn't the only person who can say such things. It's entirely normal for partners to discuss with people in share social circles about their relationship. Don't make concern out to be weird. I don't think concern is weird. It's the word choice, and mostly the word "lead" that I find weird. I'd think that "lead" implies guidance and some sort of power imbalance, although not in a bad way. A mentor might lead their pupil, a teacher their students, a boss/manager their subortinates, a doctor their patient... A friend their other friend sounds a bit weird to me. Like Kat is incapable of taking care of herself and needs someone to guide her. The more normal phrasing, in my mind, would be "make sure Kat stays on the right track" or "with your support Kat will reach greatness" or something. I am aware that this is minutiae, English is not my mother tongue (nor Paz's) and this was not a critisism on the comic nor the artist's choices. I just felt that their conversation was a bit weird, that's all. |
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Post by Dvandaemon on Apr 12, 2023 7:02:21 GMT
I mean, your mother isn't the only person who can say such things. It's entirely normal for partners to discuss with people in share social circles about their relationship. Don't make concern out to be weird. I don't think concern is weird. It's the word choice, and mostly the word "lead" that I find weird. I'd think that "lead" implies guidance and some sort of power imbalance, although not in a bad way. A mentor might lead their pupil, a teacher their students, a boss/manager their subortinates, a doctor their patient... A friend their other friend sounds a bit weird to me. Like Kat is incapable of taking care of herself and needs someone to guide her. The more normal phrasing, in my mind, would be "make sure Kat stays on the right track" or "with your support Kat will reach greatness" or something. I am aware that this is minutiae, English is not my mother tongue (nor Paz's) and this was not a critisism on the comic nor the artist's choices. I just felt that their conversation was a bit weird, that's all. This is minutiae and very semantic, especially since "stay on the right track" can be interpreted as equally patronizing and you think lead is. Yes, sometimes people in positive relationships with each someone try and lead them away from what they know are habits that enable their worst traits. There is nothing concerning about talking about that |
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