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Post by arf on Mar 31, 2023 7:05:52 GMT
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Post by madjack on Mar 31, 2023 7:07:23 GMT
She's not the only one, Carver.
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Post by aline on Mar 31, 2023 7:15:12 GMT
Well that explains why Paz was crying. That was her moment reaching the "I can't do this anymore" point. Even when you love someone, you can't always follow them in the places they want to go.
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Post by aline on Mar 31, 2023 7:24:00 GMT
(...and Annie continues her tradition of not reading the room!) A bit harsh to call it a tradition. Annie has poor social skills and doesn't seem to easily infer how her comments will make other people feel, but she's not like this because she doesn't care. Right now she's offering an ear to someone who hasn't always been fair to her in the past. And she's just given words of sympathy to someone who's about to break her friend's heart. She's not even Paz's friend. |
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Post by philman on Mar 31, 2023 7:24:53 GMT
Annie... I know empathy has never been her strong suit, but Paz has just revealed her inner feelings in a moment of vulnerability, of how Kat's work and transformation is driving her further and further down a dark path that is making Paz more and more horrified about Kat's path and driving her further and further away, and your first words are not of sympathy but to tell her that Kat will be sad?
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Post by basser on Mar 31, 2023 7:32:55 GMT
Loup and his weird ladyfriend falling in love while Kat's relationship ends seems to rhyme nicely.
Speaking of rhyming, Kat took a bunch of immobilized robots and gave them life by putting them into flesh bodies. Then she put herself into a computer and immobilized her own flesh body.
So if all the humans in the Court were to get their brains uploaded to the Kat Kloud, would that leave a bunch of limp meat suits strewn about? Might also be interesting if it turns out etheric people don't mesh well with the upload process.
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Post by jda on Mar 31, 2023 7:49:18 GMT
Annie... I know empathy has never been her strong suit, but Paz has just revealed her inner feelings in a moment of vulnerability, of how Kat's work and transformation is driving her further and further down a dark path that is making Paz more and more horrified about Kat's path and driving her further and further away, and your first words are not of sympathy but to tell her that Kat will be sad? I think it is consistently in line with Kat weighing a lot more in Annie´s mind than Paz. Kat has several times been her savior, but Paz (even if having apologized) has been harsh and antagonizing to Annie more than once (justifiedly, but...) so, I think that first reaction would be understandable |
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Post by aline on Mar 31, 2023 9:21:04 GMT
I mean, I don't know how you all reacted the last time someone dumped your BFF. But if my BFF's soon-to-be-ex, who I'm not remotely close to, decided to cry on *my* shoulder about dumping my friend, well... I would pat her on the back probably but I would be innerly screaming a prayer to any listening gods to get me out of there ASAP. I get that Paz is feeling a lot and unloading on the next available person but it's hardly fair to Annie. Paz has her own friends. Annie is Kat's friend. And Annie shouldn't even be in the position of knowing Kat is going to get dumped before Kat does.
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Post by guntherkrieg on Mar 31, 2023 9:26:32 GMT
I say she's not gone too far enough!
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Post by guntherkrieg on Mar 31, 2023 9:28:35 GMT
Loup and his weird ladyfriend falling in love while Kat's relationship ends seems to rhyme nicely. Speaking of rhyming, Kat took a bunch of immobilized robots and gave them life by putting them into flesh bodies. Then she put herself into a computer and immobilized her own flesh body. So if all the humans in the Court were to get their brains uploaded to the Kat Kloud, would that leave a bunch of limp meat suits strewn about? Might also be interesting if it turns out etheric people don't mesh well with the upload process. I'm sure this is going to tie in -- eventually -- with Renard getting a new human body, but an ethically sourced one. No body piracy for THAT reformed fox. |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Mar 31, 2023 9:29:55 GMT
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Post by puntino on Mar 31, 2023 11:00:36 GMT
Yeah, I'm with Annie in this one. Her friend is Kat. Paz can talk to Annie about anything and they should get along, but it is weird to think that Annie would (or should) put Paz first when she's talking about willingly put Kat, Annie's best friend, in a world of hurt.
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 31, 2023 13:07:19 GMT
and your first words are not of sympathy but to tell her that Kat will be sad? Well, Annie’s first words are in 6th panel. In 7th she either tries to guilt Paz into staying a bit longer, or suggests this can make the situation worse. Not that either is likely to help. I mean, I don't know how you all reacted the last time someone dumped your BFF. But if my BFF's soon-to-be-ex, who I'm not remotely close to, decided to cry on *my* shoulder about dumping my friend, well... I would pat her on the back probably but I would be innerly screaming a prayer to any listening gods to get me out of there ASAP. Yes, but Annie seems a lot less relationship-status-update-gossip oriented and more weird-mess-troubleshooting oriented than usual for a girl. She may be pondering over the questions like “Is this likely to make our mess worse?”/“How to avoid making it worse?” now. And Annie shouldn't even be in the position of knowing Kat is going to get dumped before Kat does. Indeed. So either Paz could not hold any longer, or… wanted someone to talk her out of it? |
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Post by sosleepy on Mar 31, 2023 13:20:14 GMT
Loup and his weird ladyfriend falling in love while Kat's relationship ends seems to rhyme nicely. I like to see how loup and Kat gradually switch places. Loup finding love and Kat losing hers. Loup little by little getting to know what it is to be human while Kat straying away from humanity. I wonder if Kat will be all that shocked and devastated. Perhaps she'll be quick to let it go. I believe she'll just become consumed by her research even more to get some distraction though~ |
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Post by Angry Individual on Mar 31, 2023 13:49:02 GMT
I think this is a combination of "Annie cannot read a room" and "Paz might not have picked the best person to unload this information on".
With decisions like this, it's almost like these two are teenager girls or something.
Also I like to imagine Kat's been listening this whole time.
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Post by todd on Mar 31, 2023 13:49:23 GMT
They make a good point about Kat; she has a tendency to lose sight of the original reason for starting on a scientific project and pursue it for its own sake, often without thinking out the ramifications. I've brought up before how the original point of the "new bodies for robots" project was to replace Robot's paper-clipped body; it soon turned into "doing it for its own sake". She pulled in Diego's arrow when they were switching Rey's ownership back to Annie, even there was no need to do so, just to see what would happen;; that led to near-problems down the road. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Kat winds up so excited about being able to transfer her consciousness into machines that she forgets about the "Court being after Zimmy" that initially prompted her to carry out this project.
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 31, 2023 14:11:01 GMT
What is this, another page of people having feelings? When are we finally getting some information about that Steadman person?
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 31, 2023 15:07:11 GMT
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Post by crater on Mar 31, 2023 15:15:19 GMT
*beats back the squeeeing mob of Kat x Annie shippers with a shovel*
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Post by aline on Mar 31, 2023 15:31:51 GMT
In 7th she either tries to guilt Paz into staying a bit longer, or suggests this can make the situation worse. Not that either is likely to help. I don't think she's doing either, just going "oh no, poor Kat" after being hit with the news. It's likely to make Paz feel guilty, but I don't think Annie is trying to manipulate her at all, just processing her own feelings out loud. And she'S probably saying aloud what Paz is already thinking anyway. Breaking up is hard for that very reason. And Annie shouldn't even be in the position of knowing Kat is going to get dumped before Kat does. Indeed. So either Paz could not hold any longer, or… wanted someone to talk her out of it? I think it was just weighing on her because she just made that big, painful decision. And maybe she's thinking Annie will be Kat's emotional support when she leaves and if she understands what is going on, it will make it easier for her to take care of Kat. I doubted she wants someone to talk her out of it. It sounded very final. Like something she's been thinking about for a long time and finally settled on. |
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Post by Gemminie on Mar 31, 2023 15:46:11 GMT
After saying Kat was the only thing keeping her here, Paz goes on to explain that Kat's going in a direction that's just too much for her.
Annie says she had no idea Paz felt this way, which makes sense, since Paz was very quiet about it and certainly didn't discuss her feelings with Annie. Annie says Kat's going to be devasated, and Paz clearly feels bad about that.
They're continuing to walk through Kat's factory and server farm, presumably toward where they came in. I guess they must remember the way, because they're not making a big deal about where they're walking.
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Post by ctso74 on Mar 31, 2023 16:28:11 GMT
The juxtaposition of Loup and Kat is interesting, but Kat is a bit more seasoned than Loup. What if she isn't too upset by the breakup? Saddened, but understanding. She's a teenager, but she's a teenager with a robot/NP army. She could act more reasonable than we expect... or she could go full Diego and put Paz in a NP body under her control. Young hormones, man. What can you do? They're continuing to walk through Kat's factory and server farm, presumably toward where they came in. I guess they must remember the way, because they're not making a big deal about where they're walking. In my head, I'm imagining Kat has color-coded road surface markings. |
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Post by blazingstar on Mar 31, 2023 18:14:01 GMT
Annie... I know empathy has never been her strong suit, but Paz has just revealed her inner feelings in a moment of vulnerability, of how Kat's work and transformation is driving her further and further down a dark path that is making Paz more and more horrified about Kat's path and driving her further and further away, and your first words are not of sympathy but to tell her that Kat will be sad? Actually, her first words are "I'm so sorry, Paz, I had no idea you felt this way." That sounds like sympathy to me. Maybe I'm too autistic for this, but I'm really not understanding why people think Annie's not "reading the room". She listened to Paz's thoughts, showed she understood, and commented something empathetic. It's common to ask someone "what will you do next?" after such an announcement, to show interest in their plans, but there's nothing left to say. Paz is going back to her family, and that will be the end of that. It's also common to show concern about the person's feelings, but it's been mentioned - Anie isn't actually that close to Paz as a friend. The only comment left to make is any concerns about how to break this to Kat. Which I don't think is unreasonable to voice out loud. *checks notes* Did I follow my socialization script right? Am I missing something here? I don't think Annie's done anything terribly wrong in this scene. |
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Post by blahzor on Mar 31, 2023 21:39:55 GMT
*beats back the squeeeing mob of Kat x Annie shippers with a shovel* Annie: no... Stop.. don't go.. |
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Post by storyteller on Mar 31, 2023 21:42:40 GMT
To state the obvious I don't think Kat will pull a Diego. If nothing else Kat herself would be horrified at the thought of being like him...
But I do think we might be liable to see one of two scenarios.
One: Paz was a limiter on Kat and we're about to see it with Kat no longer having someone besides Annie to anchor.
Two: Teenage Heartbreak leads to throwing in work and going too far.
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Post by arf on Mar 31, 2023 23:00:34 GMT
Panel 6 seems like a sympathetic response to Paz, but panel 7 shows where Annie's sympathy is directed. I certainly don't think Annie is being deliberately heartless to Paz. She's just expressing her own thoughts out loud and, as can often happen, they might be a bit unaccomodating. Annie has had this slightly on-edge relationship with Paz from the time she tried helping Mort with his boo routine. |
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Post by maxptc on Mar 31, 2023 23:11:39 GMT
Annie... I know empathy has never been her strong suit, but Paz has just revealed her inner feelings in a moment of vulnerability, of how Kat's work and transformation is driving her further and further down a dark path that is making Paz more and more horrified about Kat's path and driving her further and further away, and your first words are not of sympathy but to tell her that Kat will be sad? Actually, her first words are "I'm so sorry, Paz, I had no idea you felt this way." That sounds like sympathy to me. Maybe I'm too autistic for this, but I'm really not understanding why people think Annie's not "reading the room". She listened to Paz's thoughts, showed she understood, and commented something empathetic. It's common to ask someone "what will you do next?" after such an announcement, to show interest in their plans, but there's nothing left to say. Paz is going back to her family, and that will be the end of that. It's also common to show concern about the person's feelings, but it's been mentioned - Anie isn't actually that close to Paz as a friend. The only comment left to make is any concerns about how to break this to Kat. Which I don't think is unreasonable to voice out loud. *checks notes* Did I follow my socialization script right? Am I missing something here? I don't think Annie's done anything terribly wrong in this scene. I agree, Annie's response might be a little inconsiderate if her and Paz were way closer but for being "friends by association" this was perfectly polite and redirects focus to the only reason Paz is telling Annie any of this, Kat. |
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Post by todd on Mar 31, 2023 23:50:55 GMT
Additional thought on Kat going too overboard for Paz's comfort: remember back in "The Torn Sea" where Kat was so excited at being able to mold a new body for the ship that she didn't think about why the ship was asking her to do this, while Paz kept in mind that the purpose was to aid a would-be adulterer, and pointed it out.
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Post by drmemory on Apr 1, 2023 2:51:06 GMT
I still don't understand why Kat made that crack about Annie's bedside manner. Her behavior seems perfectly fine to me! She seems about as well-balanced as she could be, given her family background, upbringing and human/elemental heritage. Maybe she's not reacting the way others would in this situation, but we are all different and some are better at human emotions than others. She's much more worried about her disembodied best friend than her BFF's girlfriend, who is leaving, and she isn't that great at nuanced emotional reactions. That doesn't mean she hates Paz or doesn't care, it just shows where her priorities lie.
If anything, I think Annie has grown a LOT since we first met her, both mentally and emotionally. Think about the range of emotions she's shown in this chapter alone, and contrast that with her near-robotic affect in the early chapters. Quite different! Perfect? No. But who is?
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Post by silicondream on Apr 2, 2023 13:39:51 GMT
Additional thought on Kat going too overboard for Paz's comfort: remember back in "The Torn Sea" where Kat was so excited at being able to mold a new body for the ship that she didn't think about why the ship was asking her to do this, while Paz kept in mind that the purpose was to aid a would-be adulterer, and pointed it out. I can imagine Paz interpreting things that way, but I don't think the sequence of events supports it. Kat certainly had a moment of excitement about the possibility of building a body etherically, but she snapped out of that as soon as Paz started talking to the ship, and waited quietly through the ensuing conversation with a neutral/worried expression. She only agreed to start building its body because the Seraphs were threatening Paz, she stopped working as soon as Paz kissed her and and ran off, and she destroyed the body as soon as Paz returned under Lindsey's protection. So I don't think she was motivated by engineering enthusiasm at all, just fear for Paz's safety. It's true that Kat didn't try to reason with the ship morally the way Paz did, but she knew from experience that the Seraphs and their allies were fanatics who would ignore arguments like that. She did make the pragmatic argument that Paz was needed as her assistant, you'll notice. |
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