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Post by arf on Mar 28, 2023 1:28:18 GMT
Question: why has the "rolling restart" activated a lot of the machines? What is Kat now building? Unless the machines are returning to default position but... it seems to dramatically focused for that. I'd say it's safe homing sequences being performed. Also a dramatic erm.. device to indicate Kat is out of the loop so Paz can be more open and honest with Annie. |
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Post by maxptc on Mar 28, 2023 3:13:15 GMT
I think Kat is about to effectively take over the Court. I assume she is going to revive the buried Robots, but I guess that could be a false flag and somthing Loup, Zimmy or the new people take care of. Paz is also leaving, I assume the Court or Kat maybe both. Unless....
"I'm leaving...but you aren't Annie. NOW GRIZZLY BEAR FREIND!"
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Post by blahzor on Mar 28, 2023 5:54:29 GMT
Regarding all the questions whether there has been any school since Loup's attack: Well, sort of. No classes, but course work to do at home (getting major Covid lockdown vibes, why didn't I notice when this page came out?). I still think she's hacking the court's computers. The rolling restart is to propagate her software into them as they reboot. That's not really an answer to the question... Unless we assume this whole place and the machines and servers in there do not belong to Kat. Which would require her to have been lying to her girlfriend and her best friend all the time. Which, in my opinion, makes no sense, since at least Annie already knew Kat wanted to hack the Court. It can't be going with the Court, she didn't get an invite. Has she accepted she really can't change them from within? Doesn't see any point in staying if they're just going to leave her behind in the end? Or does she just mean breaking up with Kat? Leaning towards A+B which means C by extension. Long distance relationships are a thing. Though I admit I haven't ever heard of teenagers being able to pull one off successfully. What about one who created a compressed dimension at 17, a flying ship at 14, is almost to godhood and probably close to making non-object teleportation if she can study George some more |
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Post by exquisitecorpus on Mar 28, 2023 7:41:17 GMT
I mean they probably get BS updates on how it's going for her and then suddenly the people they did talk to disappeared to a different planet, they might actually call her and then ask her to come back Actually, their main contact might be her home class teacher, and I think that's still Anja, who isn't going anywhere. I just don't think it's a parental thing for writing reasons: It takes away from Paz' agency as a character for those kinds of decisions to be made for her, and she doesn't have the kind of narrative focus Annie did when say, Tony came back to make 'parents pulling me out' anything but a cheap deus exit machina. I disagree—I don't think that would take away Paz's agency. I also don't think it would be a narrative misstep. The kids at Court are encouraged to be autonomous and independent, yes, and to take charge, and they are doing pretty damn well, given the circumstances—but they don't exist in a vacuum, no matter the bounds of the narrative. Family is an important theme in Gunnerkrigg Court. And Paz isn't like most Court children; her life doesn't begin and end with the Court. It's very likely Paz went to Court so she could support and provide for her family. Unlike Annie and Kat, Paz's family is a country, if not a continent away. And she was likely raised with different—but no less valid—values than the values Annie and Kat grew up with. In some ways the puppy in Traveller/Viaxero who swam away into the ocean is an allegory for Paz's own separation from her family—a whole ocean away from her loved ones, loved ones who likely also keenly feel her absence. The Court is leaving. They don't care about ethics, or who or what they leave behind. They are prepared to consign those they abandon to a huge, crisis-ridden mess: a vengeful, maniacal god who can rain destruction. A ton of refugees. A vacuum of leadership and staff and coordinators who would normally be running a place that large, including necessities like food and clothing and more. Anyone's family would be worried—they would rather have their child safe and home than in danger. Paz loves Kat, but she likely also feels strong kinship and duty to her family. So this is a hard decision for her—and even if she makes it, and returns to her family, I don't think we should consider Paz any lesser than other characters. |
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Post by madjack on Mar 28, 2023 8:01:20 GMT
Actually, their main contact might be her home class teacher, and I think that's still Anja, who isn't going anywhere. I just don't think it's a parental thing for writing reasons: It takes away from Paz' agency as a character for those kinds of decisions to be made for her, and she doesn't have the kind of narrative focus Annie did when say, Tony came back to make 'parents pulling me out' anything but a cheap deus exit machina. I disagree—I don't think that would take away Paz's agency. I also don't think it would be a narrative misstep. The kids at Court are encouraged to be autonomous and independent, yes, and to take charge, and they are doing pretty damn well, given the circumstances—but they don't exist in a vacuum, no matter the bounds of the narrative. Family is an important theme in Gunnerkrigg Court. And Paz isn't like most Court children; her life doesn't begin and end with the Court. It's very likely Paz went to Court so she could support and provide for her family. Unlike Annie and Kat, Paz's family is a country, if not a continent away. And she was likely raised with different—but no less valid—values than the values Annie and Kat grew up with. In some ways the puppy in Traveller/Viaxero who swam away into the ocean is an allegory for Paz's own separation from her family—a whole ocean away from her loved ones, loved ones who likely also keenly feel her absence. The Court is leaving. They don't care about ethics, or who or what they leave behind. They are prepared to consign those they abandon to a huge, crisis-ridden mess: a vengeful, maniacal god who can rain destruction. A ton of refugees. A vacuum of leadership and staff and coordinators who would normally be running a place that large, including necessities like food and clothing and more. Anyone's family would be worried—they would rather have their child safe and home than in danger. Paz loves Kat, but she likely also feels strong kinship and duty to her family. So this is a hard decision for her—and even if she makes it, and returns to her family, I don't think we should consider Paz any lesser than other characters. That's the point I was making though: That I don't think Paz has had the decision to leave arbitrarily made for her by her parents. She decided to leave the Court on her own, for at least some of the reasons you mentioned. As I also said in an earlier post, we don't know what her family knows about the goings-on in the Court, or whether they get a remotely clear picture of what the children there go through. |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Mar 28, 2023 10:01:36 GMT
Regarding all the questions whether there has been any school since Loup's attack: Well, sort of. No classes, but course work to do at home (getting major Covid lockdown vibes, why didn't I notice when this page came out?). I still think she's hacking the court's computers. The rolling restart is to propagate her software into them as they reboot. That's not really an answer to the question... Unless we assume this whole place and the machines and servers in there do not belong to Kat. Which would require her to have been lying to her girlfriend and her best friend all the time. Which, in my opinion, makes no sense, since at least Annie already knew Kat wanted to hack the Court. It can't be going with the Court, she didn't get an invite. Has she accepted she really can't change them from within? Doesn't see any point in staying if they're just going to leave her behind in the end? Or does she just mean breaking up with Kat? Leaning towards A+B which means C by extension. Long distance relationships are a thing. Though I admit I haven't ever heard of teenagers being able to pull one off successfully. Long distance relationships require a rare combination of free time + money + patience + desperation |
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Post by todd on Mar 28, 2023 12:45:40 GMT
The Court is leaving. They don't care about ethics, or who or what they leave behind. They are prepared to consign those they abandon to a huge, crisis-ridden mess: a vengeful, maniacal god who can rain destruction. A ton of refugees. A vacuum of leadership and staff and coordinators who would normally be running a place that large, including necessities like food and clothing and more. Anyone's family would be worried—they would rather have their child safe and home than in danger. Certainly a good point (and revealing again the utterly callous tone of the Court leadership). Though I wonder whether the Court would allow news about this to reach Paz's parents; it'd be just like them to censor communications with the outside world to keep anyone from finding out what's going on and possibly interfering, preventing them from fulfilling their "glorious destiny". |
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Post by storyteller on Mar 28, 2023 18:59:29 GMT
The Court is leaving. They don't care about ethics, or who or what they leave behind. They are prepared to consign those they abandon to a huge, crisis-ridden mess: a vengeful, maniacal god who can rain destruction. A ton of refugees. A vacuum of leadership and staff and coordinators who would normally be running a place that large, including necessities like food and clothing and more. Anyone's family would be worried—they would rather have their child safe and home than in danger. Certainly a good point (and revealing again the utterly callous tone of the Court leadership). Though I wonder whether the Court would allow news about this to reach Paz's parents; it'd be just like them to censor communications with the outside world to keep anyone from finding out what's going on and possibly interfering, preventing them from fulfilling their "glorious destiny". Honestly I'm not entirely sure that they'll let people leave given that those brainstorming this job are that amount of spiteful and paranoid to those different from them. Abd we still don't know exactly what their plan B and C are for getting sufficient power. |
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Post by drmemory on Mar 29, 2023 5:13:50 GMT
Regarding all the questions whether there has been any school since Loup's attack: Well, sort of. No classes, but course work to do at home (getting major Covid lockdown vibes, why didn't I notice when this page came out?). I still think she's hacking the court's computers. The rolling restart is to propagate her software into them as they reboot. That's not really an answer to the question... Unless we assume this whole place and the machines and servers in there do not belong to Kat. Which would require her to have been lying to her girlfriend and her best friend all the time. Which, in my opinion, makes no sense, since at least Annie already knew Kat wanted to hack the Court. That's pretty much what I've been suggesting. The factory doesn't belong to Kat in a legal sense, but rather is stuff she's lifted from the court. Likewise most of her computing resources. A case could be made that she hasn't explicitly lied about it, she just didn't bother to mention how she got all that stuff. As I've previously said, where else could a teenage girl get all that expensive equipment? She's had her core computer since long before she figured out the whole GunnerGoo thing, so she didn't just mentally will it into existence. The only way I could see her getting all that expensive stuff is to take it from the court. Maybe it was in storage, maybe it was a live network and a live factory. Don't know that part.
In summary, I think she's been "borrowing" stuff from the court to build her factory and her computer network and is now using it to take over the rest of the court's systems. Or at least that's what she's trying to do - we'll see if it works out that way!
Note that everything she's done that looks like magic is likely based on the court's space manipulation technology (except for the tiny bit of stuff involving Diego's arrow). Moving stuff around, stealing stuff from court storage, hiding the computer and the factory - all space manipulation.
Further, I suspect that the "going too far" part is that she did all this stuff w/o informing Paz and Annie that they were helping her commit crimes.
Another thought, while I'm on a roll - if she's now taking over the rest of the court computers, as I believe to be the case, maybe that also explains the robots rising from the grave! They are, in a very real sense, part of the court network, and there are sure to be some growing pains as she tries to handle her new power level! They might even just activate as part of the "rolling restart".
Of course, I could be off base on all of this, but I do think it is consistent with current events and what we've seen happen in the past. Not to mention Kat's personality.
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Post by shadow3 on Mar 29, 2023 7:07:29 GMT
Paz:"I'm leaving."
Kat: "I can hear you through the environmental security devices..."
*And so Kat, heartbroken and confused, sought out Omega, to meet her destiny as the final boss of Gunnerkrigg Court - Omega-Kat Z*
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Post by exquisitecorpus on Mar 29, 2023 7:28:13 GMT
That's the point I was making though: That I don't think Paz has had the decision to leave arbitrarily made for her by her parents. She decided to leave the Court on her own, for at least some of the reasons you mentioned. As I also said in an earlier post, we don't know what her family knows about the goings-on in the Court, or whether they get a remotely clear picture of what the children there go through. Oh, I see, oops! Seems we're on the same page then. My apologies! Edit: and we were both proven right by today's panel!  |
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 29, 2023 11:02:34 GMT
Regarding all the questions whether there has been any school since Loup's attack: Well, sort of. No classes, but course work to do at home (getting major Covid lockdown vibes, why didn't I notice when this page came out?). That's not really an answer to the question... Unless we assume this whole place and the machines and servers in there do not belong to Kat. Which would require her to have been lying to her girlfriend and her best friend all the time. Which, in my opinion, makes no sense, since at least Annie already knew Kat wanted to hack the Court. That's pretty much what I've been suggesting. The factory doesn't belong to Kat in a legal sense, but rather is stuff she's lifted from the court. Likewise most of her computing resources. A case could be made that she hasn't explicitly lied about it, she just didn't bother to mention how she got all that stuff. As I've previously said, where else could a teenage girl get all that expensive equipment? She's had her core computer since long before she figured out the whole GunnerGoo thing, so she didn't just mentally will it into existence. The only way I could see her getting all that expensive stuff is to take it from the court. Maybe it was in storage, maybe it was a live network and a live factory. Don't know that part.
In summary, I think she's been "borrowing" stuff from the court to build her factory and her computer network and is now using it to take over the rest of the court's systems. Or at least that's what she's trying to do - we'll see if it works out that way!
Note that everything she's done that looks like magic is likely based on the court's space manipulation technology (except for the tiny bit of stuff involving Diego's arrow). Moving stuff around, stealing stuff from court storage, hiding the computer and the factory - all space manipulation.
Further, I suspect that the "going too far" part is that she did all this stuff w/o informing Paz and Annie that they were helping her commit crimes.
Another thought, while I'm on a roll - if she's now taking over the rest of the court computers, as I believe to be the case, maybe that also explains the robots rising from the grave! They are, in a very real sense, part of the court network, and there are sure to be some growing pains as she tries to handle her new power level! They might even just activate as part of the "rolling restart".
Of course, I could be off base on all of this, but I do think it is consistent with current events and what we've seen happen in the past. Not to mention Kat's personality.
Ah, I see. Well, the story has been certainly sketchy on the details of how Kat acquired all her stuff, but I had the impression that people with good ideas were supported with equipment, and that the resources were plentiful. For example, Anja had that huge warehouse that she didn't even use. Tony said that the Court was impressed by Kat's work on his new hand, so the Court is obviously aware that Kat has a fully equipped biotech lab.
Okay, I'm thinking more about this. I remember a scene in which a couple of robots bring Kat a CNC machine, and it's not really said where they got it. I wouldn't put it past Kat to never think of asking either. It might be that the people working with Kat - robots, Juliette, Tony - just acquired equipment through different means for Kat. The robots might have even built this factory for her. I agree it's possible that this whole place belongs to the Court and was just hijacked, but my gut feeling tells me that it was fully set up according to Kat's specifications.
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Post by drmemory on Mar 29, 2023 17:11:54 GMT
Given that Paz isn't invited to the Star Ocean thing, and that her parents aren't in the court (which we know from one of Tom's bonus comics), I'd guess she's going home to be with her family and crippled dog and cows. Maybe pulled out of school due to recent events, at a guess. Or maybe just because it isn't really much of a school any more! Wouldn't the girls be in 6th form by now, if the school were functioning? I'd say 70% chance she's going home, 25% she's transferring to a school where she can actually graduate someday, 5% she's dropping out to move to the big city. Proven correct today.  |
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Post by warrl on Apr 3, 2023 3:21:16 GMT
Paz's family is a country, if not a continent away. Specifically: her homeland - Galicia - is in the northwest corner of Spain, the part of it that's north of Portugal. Probably near the coast - whether north or west or at the corner is unknown. -------------- As to how Kat got all the gear, you may recall that SHE was invited to go with the Court. I suspect that the Court thought she was working for them. The point at which she decided she wasn't, is undetermined. |
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