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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 6, 2023 8:09:10 GMT
Interesting that she wouldn't perceive panels and such once the hard link is active. Presumably it would interact directly with her brain, but that will take time for her brain to adjust (one would assume) even if it grows new attachments/neurons/whatever. See my previous post for humor. Anyone know what anime the keychain figure is from? [edit] (googles "Karamatsu" and finds anime "Osumatsukun/Osumatsusan" which I may or may not have heard of before) [/edit] |
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Post by madjack on Feb 6, 2023 8:22:24 GMT
The keychain is the chapter icon. Not fully page relevant but the keychain as an authenticator is interesting, since it means Kat took Clippy's explanation of ownership to heart. Anja probably does the same thing with her pendant. The real interesting thing though, is Paz' face in the last panel. It feels like she's conflicted between 'this is not a good idea' and 'if you think it's necessary then I'll trust you' and I can't tell which is winning. |
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Post by philman on Feb 6, 2023 8:38:23 GMT
"I'll be able to interface directly with an electronic system in the Court"
Ah, the full Skynet
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Post by agasa on Feb 6, 2023 8:54:16 GMT
Dude, that's how you become Omega, you know. Like, it's written all over it.
"We do what we must, because we can" my shiny metal ass. Sometimes you Definitely Should Not Do It Just Because You Can.
Dude. Rethink it. Please.
I've been following the story since 2009 and I never saw such a blatantly Bad decision from that kid, even if she's renowned for bad decisions.
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Post by arf on Feb 6, 2023 8:56:27 GMT
Somebody is not impressed.
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Post by Lizuka on Feb 6, 2023 8:56:27 GMT
This whole comic has been building up to the revelation that Kat is the first Borg.
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Feb 6, 2023 9:21:10 GMT
Stay good, Kat stay good!
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Post by aline on Feb 6, 2023 9:59:12 GMT
GKC readers right now all feel like my kids do, when we come to the point where little red riding hood stops to chat with the wolf. The real interesting thing though, is Paz' face in the last panel. It feels like she's conflicted between 'this is not a good idea' and 'if you think it's necessary then I'll trust you' and I can't tell which is winning. Yeah, I'm worried Paz will go "oh how great you are Kat, you'll do great things" and enable this. Annie looks very alarmed. But Paz isn't her biggest fan and that might be an additional trigger to support Kat in this very terrible, no good idea. |
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Post by silicondream on Feb 6, 2023 11:58:35 GMT
Well, I'm on board! This comic needs more cyborg craziness and Tony hasn't turned any of his body parts into infernal machines lately. I don't think she necessarily means that she won't see something like panels, just that there won't be actual holographic panels floating in the air that anyone can see. Notably, Karamatsu's nickname is "The Cool Idiot;" he's exceptionally stupid in most ways and tries to come up with witty/profound one-liners to impress other people, but always fails. If Kat identifies with him, it suggests that she genuinely doesn't perceive herself as unusually intelligent--and the lavish praise from Annie and the Court probably just exacerbates her impostor syndrome. No wonder she's always pushing herself. It may also help explain Kat's loathing for experimentation on animals; if she believes that most other researchers are at least as gifted as herself, then it must be hard for her to accept that animal models are necessary for their work. She works biotechnological miracles without any of that, so why can't they? |
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Post by todd on Feb 6, 2023 12:37:21 GMT
Dude, that's how you become Omega, you know. Like, it's written all over it. "We do what we must, because we can" my shiny metal ass. Sometimes you Definitely Should Not Do It Just Because You Can. Dude. Rethink it. Please. I've been following the story since 2009 and I never saw such a blatantly Bad decision from that kid, even if she's renowned for bad decisions. As I've mentioned elsewhere, I suspect that this is the result of Kat growing up in the Court; the people who run it (whoever they are - even the highest-ranking individuals in its hierarchy whom we've met, such as the Headmaster and Aatu, don't seem to be in its Inner Circle) are themselves making the same kinds of decisions, with disastrous results (at least, we can assume that if they hadn't been thinking that way, they wouldn't have gotten into the conflict with the Forest that resulted in everything from Jeanne's murder to Loup's attack on the Court). Naturally that would discourage Kat from considering that this isn't a good idea. |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Feb 6, 2023 12:41:33 GMT
Kat is about to plug herself into an etheric machine. Some of the illustrations of Zimmy's situation ALSO look like she's plugged into an etheric machine, and we know how well that form of existence is.
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Post by ohthatone on Feb 6, 2023 12:46:56 GMT
I CALLED IT! I can't figure out how to quote my post from the chapter page from my phone but I called the Osomatsu cameo!
*does victory dance*
(First correct guess in my history of reading this comic)
Also if you can stand occasional poop jokes with actual funny jokes I can recommend the show.
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Post by Eily on Feb 6, 2023 12:58:57 GMT
It might be a bad idea to interface a system that could be hacked into directly with your brain. One clue might be something like a child being seemingly able to access said system.
Also Kat already had a meltdown when she realized she had Annie's life in her hands, yet she wants access to all the knowledge in the court, with the probable responsibility that comes with it. It isn't that hard to believe she might just snap and decide to kill Zimmy after that.
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Post by najmniejszy on Feb 6, 2023 12:59:16 GMT
I'm getting to like Kat more and more
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Post by Georgie L on Feb 6, 2023 13:12:01 GMT
It might be a bad idea to interface a system that could be hacked into directly with your brain. One clue might be something like a child being seemingly able to access said system. If we with the logic we should just never use computers ever, for any reason, "cause what if they get hacked?" You just put up safety nets, Kat may be impulsive, but she's always been one to put up safety nets before barreling into things. |
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Post by storyteller on Feb 6, 2023 13:16:49 GMT
The keychain is the chapter icon. Not fully page relevant but the keychain as an authenticator is interesting, since it means Kat took Clippy's explanation of ownership to heart. Anja probably does the same thing with her pendant. The real interesting thing though, is Paz' face in the last panel. It feels like she's conflicted between 'this is not a good idea' and 'if you think it's necessary then I'll trust you' and I can't tell which is winning. Either that or knowing it's a bad idea and understandably not happy at the thought of telling Kat that. Paz does help with mice experimentation. That doesn't happen for kicks and giggles. It is part of safety testing before use on humans. Kat is going to go too far. But I think it has the most impact if it happens after ignoring the two people telling her bad idea. Kat is about to plug herself into an etheric machine. Some of the illustrations of Zimmy's situation ALSO look like she's plugged into an etheric machine, and we know how well that form of existence is. Also the Angel is definitely plugged in every time we've seen her. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 6, 2023 13:44:38 GMT
I don't think she necessarily means that she won't see something like panels, just that there won't be actual holographic panels floating in the air that anyone can see. Kat prefaces what she says about not seeing panels anymore by saying with the new hard link she'll have access to her computer in ways she never could before. The hard link would dictate two-way information flow. Why? The previous soft connection relied on her interactions with the holographic panels, interpreting her motions as commands (and maybe words as well though that wasn't shown); that the keychain itself was required means Kat's computer needed a device or medium for manifesting the holographic panels, a beacon for Kat's exact location, or a pickup/amplifier for interpreting Kat's movements and voice, or a combination of those things. No holographic panels external to Kat means that comparable or superior information is going into Kat through the hard link. If she is only perceiving panels in a similar format to the holographic panels and then using body movements to give commands I don't think that she'd count that as a new way of access; the only advantage to the hard link would be that she couldn't easily lose the keyring. Why does the chip have to be in her neck as opposed to the back of her hand? Either the computer requires knowledge of her head/spine with a great deal of precision or it requires beneath-the-skin contact. In the former case the computer could stimulate parts of her brain remotely and then interpret the reactions in other parts, in the latter the chip may graft itself into her brain or nervous system directly and additionally may create other structures to help her process (remember her protein crystals?). While it's true that her brain would have to perceive the input somehow I feel using an invisible panels interface (where she still had to move her body) with either of those methods would be a waste, particularly as having her hands bound/incapacitated would interfere with her use of her computer. I don't have any evidence to point to say that can't be the case but why not just go to visualized concepts? It would be radically faster in both directions. I am hoping her authenticator is: think blue count two, and look for a red shoe... |
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Post by Dvandaemon on Feb 6, 2023 14:44:29 GMT
I immediately sent a link of this page to someone I know likes Osomatsu-san. Hope they like it. Kat is about to plug herself into an etheric machine. Some of the illustrations of Zimmy's situation ALSO look like she's plugged into an etheric machine, and we know how well that form of existence is. It would probably help that it doesn't seem like Kat has normal human cognition. It might be a bad idea to interface a system that could be hacked into directly with your brain. One clue might be something like a child being seemingly able to access said system. If we with the logic we should just never use computers ever, for any reason, "cause what if they get hacked?" You just put up safety nets, Kat may be impulsive, but she's always been one to put up safety nets before barreling into things. Except even with safety nets, what if it's cracked is a major question for system development isn't it? Also, it's one thing if a server gets broken into, another if it's someone's *brain* |
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Post by agasa on Feb 6, 2023 15:04:52 GMT
Think blue count two, and look for a red shoe... ...I missed so much the fresh beauty of old-school science fiction. For so long, I didn't read any of this balm for the soul. The unknown depths of space, that mirror the depths of man. I hope her safeguard's soul is pure as Veesey is. Thank you, sir, for bringing me on this short journey. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 6, 2023 15:40:33 GMT
Think blue count two, and look for a red shoe... ...I missed so much the fresh beauty of old-school science fiction. For so long, I didn't read any of this balm for the soul. The unknown depths of space, that mirror the depths of man. I hope her safeguard's soul is pure as Veesey is. Thank you, sir, for bringing me on this short journey. |
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 6, 2023 16:19:17 GMT
It might be a bad idea to interface a system that could be hacked into directly with your brain. One clue might be something like a child being seemingly able to access said system. If we with the logic we should just never use computers ever, for any reason, "cause what if they get hacked?" You just put up safety nets, Kat may be impulsive, but she's always been one to put up safety nets before barreling into things. Her safety net against her secret operation of mass-uplifting robots to NP being discovered literally consisted of rushing in front of the door with outstretched arms and a fake smile and claiming "Nobody's home! No need to go down there!". The first time she revived a golem didn't seem to have any precautions either. |
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Post by ctso74 on Feb 6, 2023 16:19:46 GMT
A Utilitarian argument that Kat might concede to: No lone system is 100% reliable or secure. The only way to get 100% reliability or security is through redundancy and backups. Kat's brain has no backup or redundancy.
Considering that look from Paz, I'm going to go with her saying "Nah". If Robot ends up doing the procedure, that could open up interesting situations. He might be more likely to do it right, but from what we (the audience) know about him, he may have a different idea of "right". If she wakes up saying "It was worth it", I'm freaking out.
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Post by Gemminie on Feb 6, 2023 16:21:27 GMT
Usual thing where I post my summary and reactions before reading what anybody else has said yet.
Having just told Paz and Annie that she wants them to implant a chip into her neck, Kat plows right along with exhibition despite shocked reactions from both her girlfriend and best friend. It seems that up to now Kat's used a modified Karamatsu keyring as her link to her computer. Now, as many including me predicted, Kat wants a direct connection between her nervous system and her computer. She says that it will allow her to directly interface with any of the Court's electronic systems, which will be a key part of her research into Omega.
It's interesting that she calls the keyring a "soft" link and her proposed neural connection a "hard" link. She's already thinking of her mind and body like a computer and its peripheral hardware.
Is she considering the fact that the Court will be leaving soon, and probably leaving all its cast-off systems and hardware to rot? Will they take the Omega Device with them, leave it behind, or destroy it? What about power systems? Who or what will keep the power running? Without electric power, Kat's computer won't be doing much.
She's also not considering what happens if she gets hacked. I'm sure she's got security measures in mind, but you know who could easily subvert anything she thinks of? A version of herself from another timeline who thinks just like she does; that's all I'm saying. Or, if that's not what's happening, a computer specifically designed to predict what everyone and everything everywhere will do.
Paz in the last panel looks pretty determinedly negative about this idea. We don't see Annie at that point, but once she's over her initial shock, I doubt she'll think it's a good idea either.
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Post by agasa on Feb 6, 2023 16:32:48 GMT
...I missed so much the fresh beauty of old-school science fiction. For so long, I didn't read any of this balm for the soul. The unknown depths of space, that mirror the depths of man. I hope her safeguard's soul is pure as Veesey is. Thank you, sir, for bringing me on this short journey. Oh my. La souris. |
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Post by arf on Feb 6, 2023 21:37:53 GMT
Think blue count two, and look for a red shoe... Kate Bush to Kat Donlan: Oh, it's gonna be the way you always thought it would be But it's gonna be no illusion Oh, it's gonna be the way you always dreamt about it But it's gonna be really happenin' to ya Really happenin' to ya Really happenin' to ya Oh, the minute I put them on I knew, I had done somethin' wrong All her gifts for the dance had gone It's the red shoes, they can't stop dancin' Dancin' And this curve is your smile And this cross is your heart And this line is your path |
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Feb 6, 2023 22:48:03 GMT
"Just also need *humpf* these *groan* robot arms, to help me better control this fusion reaction, that the brain chip will help me control"
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Post by netherdan on Feb 6, 2023 23:44:46 GMT
That "Kat, I love you, but" face Paz is doing...
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Post by argent on Feb 7, 2023 0:21:58 GMT
Well, this page and the subsequent discussion has birthed a new wild theory in my mind.
That is: Kat is going to do *something* to draw the ire of the Arbiter Saslamel and Clippy again. And they are going to show back up like “we told you so! You signed a contract and we told you not to misuse the arrow, so now you’re going to jail!” And they will attempt to make good on the contract. And in that moment, Kat will have become so powerful that she is able to defy/defeat/destroy the Arbiter. (Potentially thus becoming the all-knowing Omega. And a toss-up as to whether she inherits Clippy as well, or vanquishes him too.) That’s my crack theory and I’m sticking to it.
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Post by maxptc on Feb 7, 2023 1:06:37 GMT
It's hard to believe Kat can be so smart yet not see why directly interfacing with an unknown super powerful court technology directly after being given a warning about killing a person with really weird powers and properties might be a bad idea.
Like did she think Annie was accusing her of wanting to murder Zimmy? Didn't consider it could be a warning about an accidentally unfavorable outcome? Is Kat really that against the possibility of people knowing the future that she doesn't even consider it? Even knowing about all knowing creatures? Even after learning of time travel and multiple timelines?!?
I'm almost convinced Kat is aware of more then she has been letting on and has been for a while. It feels wild specish when I write it, but at the same time she might as well be twirling a goatee and petting a bald cat at this point.
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Post by Runningflame on Feb 7, 2023 1:59:55 GMT
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