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Post by aline on Jan 31, 2023 8:12:49 GMT
Either way, from Annie's and the reader's pov the story is taking on that certain nightmarish quality with shades of Cassandra, where you're trying to prevent a bad thing from happening and people either misunderstand or don't take it seriously. Yeah im getting this vibe as well. I'm also operating under the assumption that by trying to warn people and prevent it, Annie is actually making the bad thing happen. It's been implied she already set things in motions by indirectly giving Kat the idea of using Omega to find Zimmy. It's a bit jarring that Kat doesn't take this seriously despite previous incidents of her playing with things she doesn't fully understand. Including one count of Annie being accused and threatened by an unkown entity over Kat's use of the arrow. It's more and more clear how Kat, in a different timeline, could have become a supervillain. I hope Annie manages to avert the disaster. Zimmy's comment that Omega isn't a device should give Kat some pause... |
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Post by blahzor on Jan 31, 2023 9:57:54 GMT
Yeah im getting this vibe as well. I'm also operating under the assumption that by trying to warn people and prevent it, Annie is actually making the bad thing happen. It's been implied she already set things in motions by indirectly giving Kat the idea of using Omega to find Zimmy. It's a bit jarring that Kat doesn't take this seriously despite previous incidents of her playing with things she doesn't fully understand. Including one count of Annie being accused and threatened by an unkown entity over Kat's use of the arrow. It's more and more clear how Kat, in a different timeline, could have become a supervillain. I hope Annie manages to avert the disaster. Zimmy's comment that Omega isn't a device should give Kat some pause... Kat: it's just science baby. I wouldn't hurt a fly unless that fly was secretly a god or myself in godhood influencing things in this timeline and closing them off is a rite of passage for me to get to godhood |
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Post by saardvark on Feb 1, 2023 4:15:13 GMT
Two thoughts: 1. Has Paz' chin become more pointed? 2. Paz has met Zimmy more than once. Also, given all the adventures Kat and Annie had that involved Zimmy, and Zimmy was the one who combined the two Annies into one, it is very weird that Paz has to ask who Zimmy is. Did Kat never tell her own girlfriend about all these things?
Yes, I'm also wondering if this is the first time a Zimmy illusion/influence has not been resolved before the end of a chapter.
EDIT: Hm, Annie's chin also looks more pointed on this page.
Zimmy's chin has been pointed lately as well (tho not Gamma), www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2729 but Kat was pointy too, even before possible Zim influence: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2717Maybe just a stylistic shift.... |
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Post by drmemory on Feb 1, 2023 4:51:44 GMT
M.O.D.O.K. - Metal Organisms Designed Only for Kat
If I were better at art and/or had a place to host images, you'd be looking at a M.O.D.O.K with Kat's face right now.  |
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Post by maxptc on Feb 2, 2023 0:49:23 GMT
Yeah im getting this vibe as well. I'm also operating under the assumption that by trying to warn people and prevent it, Annie is actually making the bad thing happen. It's been implied she already set things in motions by indirectly giving Kat the idea of using Omega to find Zimmy. It's a bit jarring that Kat doesn't take this seriously despite previous incidents of her playing with things she doesn't fully understand. Including one count of Annie being accused and threatened by an unkown entity over Kat's use of the arrow. It's more and more clear how Kat, in a different timeline, could have become a supervillain. I hope Annie manages to avert the disaster. Zimmy's comment that Omega isn't a device should give Kat some pause... The issue with Kat in general and the reason she isn't taking the warning of Zimmy seriously is Kat hasn't ever really faced consequences for "going to far" or "playing with things she doesn't fully understand". Even the trial over the arrow usage ended with cool news powers for Annie. Time travel saved Annie, turning robots into people was awesome, hacking into the ether saved two souls. The closest thing to a consequence I recall Kat facing was the whole Robots hijacking the boat, and the lesson Kat learned there was "don't slack on super science", not "should I be downloading robots to living bodies". Dunno if its getting averted fully. It seems like we've been in the mess around part, and we are about to enter the find out stage. |
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 2, 2023 12:25:23 GMT
The closest thing to a consequence I recall Kat facing was the whole Robots hijacking the boat, and the lesson Kat learned there was "don't slack on super science", not "should I be downloading robots to living bodies". Man, yes. I just re-read this part and it was jarring. Kat begins saying that what happened on the ship was all her fault... and smilingly concludes that she must work faster on organic bodies then! Everything else - forgotten or not interesting. Just another wacky adventure in Gunnerkrigg, right? |
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Post by blahzor on Feb 2, 2023 13:06:50 GMT
It's been implied she already set things in motions by indirectly giving Kat the idea of using Omega to find Zimmy. It's a bit jarring that Kat doesn't take this seriously despite previous incidents of her playing with things she doesn't fully understand. Including one count of Annie being accused and threatened by an unkown entity over Kat's use of the arrow. It's more and more clear how Kat, in a different timeline, could have become a supervillain. I hope Annie manages to avert the disaster. Zimmy's comment that Omega isn't a device should give Kat some pause... The issue with Kat in general and the reason she isn't taking the warning of Zimmy seriously is Kat hasn't ever really faced consequences for "going to far" or "playing with things she doesn't fully understand". Even the trial over the arrow usage ended with cool news powers for Annie. Time travel saved Annie, turning robots into people was awesome, hacking into the ether saved two souls. The closest thing to a consequence I recall Kat facing was the whole Robots hijacking the boat, and the lesson Kat learned there was "don't slack on super science", not "should I be downloading robots to living bodies". Dunno if its getting averted fully. It seems like we've been in the mess around part, and we are about to enter the find out stage. Every failure she survived is a success |
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Post by gpvos on Feb 2, 2023 16:47:34 GMT
Most people here seem to be operating under the assumption that Kat going too far means killing Zimmy, but it could very well be that she violates the green arrow contract and Saslamel locks her up.
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Post by rabbit on Feb 2, 2023 16:51:50 GMT
Every failure she survived is a success 's comment brings to mind Maxim 70 from Schlock Mercenary: "Failure is not an option. It is mandatory. The option is whether or not to let failure be the last thing you do." |
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Post by maxptc on Feb 2, 2023 17:21:20 GMT
Most people here seem to be operating under the assumption that Kat going too far means killing Zimmy, but it could very well be that she violates the green arrow contract and Saslamel locks her up. Why not both? |
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Post by todd on Feb 2, 2023 23:51:44 GMT
I suspect that it hasn't helped that the Court hasn't learned that this kind of meddling is a bad idea;of course, Kat's picked up more of a sense of right and wrong than the Court leadership has, but it's tempting to wonder how many of her decisions have been influenced by attending a school run by a pack of mad scientists who are even further down the road than she is.
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Post by storyteller on Feb 3, 2023 0:49:55 GMT
I suspect that it hasn't helped that the Court hasn't learned that this kind of meddling is a bad idea;of course, Kat's picked up more of a sense of right and wrong than the Court leadership has, but it's tempting to wonder how many of her decisions have been influenced by attending a school run by a pack of mad scientists who are even further down the road than she is. Also Chester house is very pointedly not really seen as part of the Court. They were just left by themselves with the Forest folk avoiding them. That's an environment that does not lead to one thinking that a Chester student's warning is something to take seriously. Because Chester you know? (Who may or may not be essentially be planned to be ether batteries for the Court's goals, and definitely were never going to be invited). |
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Post by todd on Feb 3, 2023 13:32:03 GMT
Kat's robot project began as a practical solution to a problem; Robot's body had been destroyed, so they needed to build a new one for him. But that quickly turned into just the spark of the project. By the time Chapter Eighteen (the first major step in this thread) began, Kat *had* built a new body for Robot, the robot mouse body, and if this was just about helping Robot, staying there would have probably been the best course, at least for some time. Robot was a fugitive who needed to be hidden, and it's easier to hide someone when they're mouse-sized than when they're roughly human-sized. (If the problem was Robot needing a more humanoid body, that could wait until the memory of his breakout had receded somewhat.)
At first I thought that Kat's "It'd be a cool thing to do" was just her cover story, since she couldn't tell her parents about how she and Annie were harboring someone whom Annie had broken out of robot prison. But the more I saw of Kat's work, the more it seemed clear that the excitement of building a more advanced body was the real purpose, and Robot's need was just the spark. I suspect that Kat would have continued with the project even if Robot had, say, been crushed by a large rock and his CPU destroyed beyond repair, that she was doing the project for its own sake. (And was so excited about it that she didn't pay attention - or at least, not enough attention - to the cult growing up around her work. As others have pointed out here, even the "Torn Sea" incident led her to conclude that she should have spent more time on it, rather than that the project had been a bad idea - and I can't help thinking that the robots should be relieved that Kat's response to the whole incident wasn't to shut down her laboratory with atone of "If I hadn't embarked on this enterprise, my schoolmates wouldn't have been put in danger".)
Kat's act with the arrow fell even more in this category; there was no need to include it in the process of returning Rey's ownership to Annie, she had good reason to be wary about it given the purpose for which it was created, the one reason for using it was curiosity. The results, fortunately, turned out to be less disastrous than they might have been - so far - but it comes across as a sign of Kat's curiosity leading to potential trouble.
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Post by Runningflame on Feb 3, 2023 15:28:31 GMT
Kat's robot project began as a practical solution to a problem; Robot's body had been destroyed, so they needed to build a new one for him. But that quickly turned into just the spark of the project. By the time Chapter Eighteen (the first major step in this thread) began, Kat *had* built a new body for Robot, the robot mouse body, and if this was just about helping Robot, staying there would have probably been the best course, at least for some time. Robot was a fugitive who needed to be hidden, and it's easier to hide someone when they're mouse-sized than when they're roughly human-sized. (If the problem was Robot needing a more humanoid body, that could wait until the memory of his breakout had receded somewhat.) Good point! I'd never thought of it that way before. Absolutely. I can identify with Kat here. Once you get that spark of an idea, and you think you see how to make it a reality, pursuing it becomes its own reward. Well, you know what they say... curiosity killed the Kat. |
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Post by yellowb on Feb 3, 2023 19:20:17 GMT
Well, you know what they say... curiosity killed the Kat. Damn it, you beat me to the punch. |
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