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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 23, 2023 8:04:45 GMT
This will be a chapter in which Kat will go too far, apparently. |
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Post by arf on Jan 23, 2023 8:23:08 GMT
'Too far, ladies' (Chapter 88)
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Post by homomculus on Jan 23, 2023 8:27:44 GMT
New chapter icon is… eyes?
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Post by csj on Jan 23, 2023 8:39:58 GMT
hat fogel
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Post by madjack on Jan 23, 2023 9:11:45 GMT
New chapter icon is… eyes? Don't worry, that's just the look Kat will get when she gets told what the terms of that contract she signed without reading actually are! |
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Post by hnau on Jan 23, 2023 9:32:39 GMT
That lamp is shining outside the box. Omega or Zimmingham?
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jan 23, 2023 10:42:58 GMT
New chapter icon is… eyes? The art style in the chapter thumbnail is very familiar. Similar to the the Broken Man. But with kissing? |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Jan 23, 2023 12:04:18 GMT
Women! Know your limits!
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Post by ohthatone on Jan 23, 2023 12:26:27 GMT
New chapter icon is… eyes? Cameo by Mr. Osomatsu? |
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 23, 2023 13:36:58 GMT
Hmm. This looks a little like Chapter 55.
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Post by crater on Jan 23, 2023 14:18:19 GMT
There's a light that nevaaaaaa
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Post by ctso74 on Jan 23, 2023 15:34:01 GMT
"Too far" is a relative term.
There's also context. Is this a "too far" for science, or is this going into Diego territory?
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Post by maxptc on Jan 23, 2023 15:40:28 GMT
"Too far" is a relative term. There's also context. Is this a "too far" for science, or is this going into Diego territory? Draining Zimmy and becoming a techno wizard god seems like a bit of both. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 23, 2023 15:45:03 GMT
Does that mean things like using Diego's arrow as a component, allowing a cult to be built around her, and creating a new species of lifeforms by uplifting robots without even making sure each one of these robots wanted this wasn't too far? Good to know, I guess.
EDIT: And reviving the golems against their wishes to put them to work.
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Post by bedinsis on Jan 23, 2023 18:52:35 GMT
Where did this come from? |
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Post by shadow3 on Jan 23, 2023 19:50:17 GMT
Omega absorbs Loup's etheric energies, then Kat merges with Omega, then latin lyrics start being sung, and Omega-Kat devours Zimmy to become Omega-Kat-Z. Then the Warriors of Light must band together to slay the goddess and save the world. SOON... |
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Post by blahzor on Jan 23, 2023 21:26:40 GMT
Seems Kat is safe of mistakes and will eat popcorn with Paz this chapter
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Post by arf on Jan 24, 2023 3:39:09 GMT
A demi-god uplifting ais...
Kat to Cortana isn't that big a step.
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Post by blahzor on Jan 24, 2023 4:46:42 GMT
Kat: to infinity and beyond
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Post by drmemory on Jan 24, 2023 6:32:21 GMT
Kat certainly has a lot of dangling issues surrounding her. What are the implications of that contract she signed? I've always suspected that she effectively owns, and can at need control, all the robots with new bodies. What about the arrow? Where is it? Who all knows about it? Robot? Paz? The shadow men? What could she do in the ether, potentially? She can go there at will with her mini-arrow, right? She doesn't see the same things others see but lord, she's powerful! Where is her computer? Is it secure? Or does the court own it now? Or maybe Omega?
Kat claims to be a scientist and not a magician, yet she has been in the Realm of the Dead and the Ether, and she knows for sure that the ether is real. What has this done to her mind?
She also knows for sure that time travel and changing the past are possible. Another thing that may not be so healthy for someone who doesn't believe in magic and thinks of herself as rational.
Just because she saved Annie, we can't assume she isn't still worried about what happened in the first cycle, where Annie died and she (Kat) was so upset she broke reality. I'm not sure we've seen the final chapter of that.
Zimmy has always been afraid of her and sees her in her mechagoddess form. Now, Zimmy claims Kat is actually going to kill her. Just as Kat is running off to hack the court's computers and use their power for her own ends (paraphrased from what she said here). She had a pretty good mad scientist expression at that point too. Oh, and Kat doesn't like Zimmy much either - note her viewpoint here.
Anyway, I'm not surprised we're about to see Kat go "too far". I'm very worried about what exactly she's going to do - in what way will she go too far? In her own way, she's one of the most powerful characters we know about, her powers just aren't based on the ether. I fear she can call on resources we haven't seen her use yet, and that Zimmy's fears may turn out to be quite justified.
"Well, amongst other things, sure" is the most ominous thing I can remember her saying. Ever.
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Post by blahzor on Jan 24, 2023 7:11:24 GMT
How was Annie able to arrange meeting jack anyway?
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Post by todd on Jan 24, 2023 12:38:15 GMT
Does that mean things like using Diego's arrow as a component, allowing a cult to be built around her, and creating a new species of lifeforms by uplifting robots without even making sure each one of these robots wanted this wasn't too far? Good to know, I guess. To be fair to Kat, she never seems to have fully noticed (or considered the implications of) the religion that Robot was building around her. (Neither did any of the other human characters, for that matter.) The robots generally discussed it only when the humans were absent. |
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Post by Gemminie on Jan 24, 2023 18:40:27 GMT
We have a new chapter title, but not much to analyze so far. The title page has the image of a lamp of some kind – possibly a desk or reading lamp, but there's no indication of scale, so it could be a larger area lamp or even a streetlamp. The chapter icon is a collection of dots, curves, and lines that looks kind of like a face, or two faces close to each other, or maybe buttons on clothing. Or Homestar Runner.
The chapter title itself, "An Aside," suggests that this chapter may not be very long. The title page includes "(in which Kat goes too far)," but that subtitle doesn't appear in the chapter list or the chapter pulldown menu. But that subtitle is loaded with foreshadowing. The previous chapter ended with Annie running dramatically off to stop Kat from inadvertently doing something to harm Zimmy, but does this refer to that? Or will this be humorous, playing with our expectations, perhaps showing Kat going too far in some trivial way? (Kat looking confusedly at her computer's map of the Court, realizing she's gone too far down Steadman Boulevard and should've taken the last left?) We'll have to see.
Or will the "aside" be "meanwhile, in an alternate universe," in which we see a different Kat, perhaps the one who lost Annie years ago, making some unwise or unethical (or both) decisions that will have bearing on the main storyline? Such a Kat has been suggested here and there to exist somewhere, but we have no idea up to this point whether she exists.
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Post by Gemminie on Jan 24, 2023 19:28:34 GMT
Kat certainly has a lot of dangling issues surrounding her. What are the implications of that contract she signed? I've always suspected that she effectively owns, and can at need control, all the robots with new bodies. That's how I read it too. Just as Renard can't possess people because Annie owns his body, the New People can't go against Kat's edicts (that is, if this conclusion is correct). In Kat's lab, last we saw it, but that's been a while. Robot knows a lot about it. His head was sitting there, active and watching/listening, for quite a while as she experimented on it. I think that's a stretch – the pen-size arrow-like device Kat made was designed to get Annie back out by disrupting her contact with the Ether, as I read things, and Diego's arrow was having none of that and pulled her in with Annie. She doesn't see illusions in the Ether; she sees what's actually there, which sometimes makes her more powerful, such as when the illusions prevent people from seeing what they need to do, but that could also be a liability, for example if the illusions contain cues as to what they need to do. But as I read it, at least, Kat can't enter the Ether at will, can't perceive the Ether without assistance, and can't do anything while there other than the purely physical things she can do with her body. Well, it's true that although we don't know its undisclosed location, that doesn't mean the Court doesn't know, and they may have used Omega to find it already without her (or our) knowledge. But if they've found Kat's computer, then they've certainly found Anja's computer, since they've had much more time to do it. We don't know that's how they stole Anja's shields to install in all the robots, but it's possible. They may already have been using Kat's computer to do things for them – or at least the technology that went into it. She seems to have just been taking it in stride, telling herself that the Ether has a scientific explanation that she'll eventually learn; she just doesn't know how it all works yet. That's familiar ground, after all; there are lots of things we don't understand but suppose we probably could if we took the time/effort to learn about them. I doubt it's done much to her mind ... although we also know that the Ether has things that work because they just work, no explanation available or possible. I'm not sure she's run into all that much of that, though. Well, again, she probably thinks of that as something that has a scientific explanation – for example, she may think the Norns are just people who have developed a much higher level of etheric technology and that she could one day understand how it works, but she doesn't for now. I completely agree with you. She is absolutely still anxious about what happened in the first cycle, original timeline, or whatever you want to call it. But it may just be on the "don't understand it yet" pile. Yes, though I don't think she'd deliberately harm Zimmy. But she doesn't know that anything she's thinking about doing would harm Zimmy in any way. After all, first she has to hack into Omega, then she has to use it to locate Zimmy. None of that seems harmful. But she's not really aware that finding Zimmy seems to have implications that go far beyond putting a pin on the map. We've seen that there's no way to look for her (technological or etheric, it seems) without making an ethereal connection to her, for one thing. She is absolutely one of the most powerful characters in the Gunnerverse. She can probably do just about anything she wants, given time to work out how. Err, yeah. What would she do if she got control of Omega and could know anything she wanted? This is supposedly a universe simulation machine that can tell you what will happen if you do anything, given a set of initial conditions. What's the first thing you'd do? The first thing I'd do is plug in the current conditions and see what will happen if things take their current course. Then I'd try to tweak them to get the course I wanted. Then I'd find out what I'd have to do to make that happen. Those actions wouldn't necessarily make sense or seem very good at the time. What if the current course leads to unmitigated disaster? What if you can't get the ending you want without harming people – as in the best possible outcome involves people being hurt or dying? |
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Post by blahzor on Jan 25, 2023 3:52:37 GMT
Does that mean things like using Diego's arrow as a component, allowing a cult to be built around her, and creating a new species of lifeforms by uplifting robots without even making sure each one of these robots wanted this wasn't too far? Good to know, I guess. To be fair to Kat, she never seems to have fully noticed (or considered the implications of) the religion that Robot was building around her. (Neither did any of the other human characters, for that matter.) The robots generally discussed it only when the humans were absent. Also they never really seem to deal with Robot calling Annie mommy either |
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 25, 2023 8:54:29 GMT
The art style in the chapter thumbnail is very familiar. Similar to the the Broken Man. But with kissing? Hmm… Then again, schoolgirl romance interpretation does not really preclude mad science interpretation. “I was looting their secret server, and took a peek at notes about Zimmy. Also, there’s a proper technical manual on this Court pocket continuum thingy. I suddenly realized… this freaky shadow town thing Zimmy did on that trip is not as big deal as it looks like. It simply branches off this Court worldlet, as such with a bit of equipment it could be trivially reproduced on anyone with strong etheric abilities. So… uh… between me not being fireproof and Paz already sitting nearby…”  |
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 25, 2023 15:18:49 GMT
Does that mean things like using Diego's arrow as a component, allowing a cult to be built around her, and creating a new species of lifeforms by uplifting robots without even making sure each one of these robots wanted this wasn't too far? Good to know, I guess. To be fair to Kat, she never seems to have fully noticed (or considered the implications of) the religion that Robot was building around her. (Neither did any of the other human characters, for that matter.) The robots generally discussed it only when the humans were absent. I agree that we (the readers) have witnessed a lot more than the human characters, though I believe the Torn Sea incident should served to make Kat aware of at least parts of what was going on. Annie also explicitly told Renard to alarm the non-Seraph robots by telling them "their Angel is in trouble", so to me this also sounds like Annie aware that Kat was revered by the robots at this point.
Shadow 2 also witnessed at least one of S13's sermons and was visibly unhappy, though of course we don't know if he ever told anyone else about it.
Finally, when Arthur recognized the Tic-Toc Kat was obviously aware the robots/NPs see her as a divine being with supernatural capabilities - "their" Angel. She doesn't seem to believe it herself, but she doesn't seem wanting to put any thought into the implications of this as well.
To be fair to Kat, she never seems to have fully noticed (or considered the implications of) the religion that Robot was building around her. (Neither did any of the other human characters, for that matter.) The robots generally discussed it only when the humans were absent. Also they never really seem to deal with Robot calling Annie mommy either He stopped that long ago, though.
She seems to have just been taking it in stride, telling herself that the Ether has a scientific explanation that she'll eventually learn; she just doesn't know how it all works yet. That's familiar ground, after all; there are lots of things we don't understand but suppose we probably could if we took the time/effort to learn about them. I doubt it's done much to her mind ... although we also know that the Ether has things that work because they just work, no explanation available or possible. I'm not sure she's run into all that much of that, though. I must say that's not the impression pages like this have given me. |
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Post by Gemminie on Jan 26, 2023 7:13:34 GMT
She seems to have just been taking it in stride, telling herself that the Ether has a scientific explanation that she'll eventually learn; she just doesn't know how it all works yet. That's familiar ground, after all; there are lots of things we don't understand but suppose we probably could if we took the time/effort to learn about them. I doubt it's done much to her mind ... although we also know that the Ether has things that work because they just work, no explanation available or possible. I'm not sure she's run into all that much of that, though. I must say that's not the impression pages like this have given me. Well, she goes on to explain that she usually just takes the weird stuff in stride, trusting that she'll figure it out later, and sometimes she does, and she learns something amazing, but the reason why she's upset now is from thinking about her "loop" theory of alternate timelines. The chapter never comes back to how that means she's upset about there being two Annies, but it does explain that she's upset about is the fact that the Arbiter said that neither Annie should be here, and what that implies. Namely, that Annie should be dead, that seemingly she's here because she was saved by Kat in another timeline (meaning she's the Annie from that timeline), and if she doesn't save Annie, Annie might die in another timeline, and she has no idea how even go about saving Annie, because time travel is impossible according to everything she knows. She's not upset or losing her mind because of weirdness she can't explain; it's because she's realized that she has to save her friend but has no idea how to go about it. |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Jan 26, 2023 12:07:14 GMT
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 26, 2023 14:31:16 GMT
Huh, itch.io tries to suggest me something. «Project Kat. A small, unconventional horror rpg.»
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