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Post by philman on Dec 5, 2022 8:04:27 GMT
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Post by rafk on Dec 5, 2022 8:27:06 GMT
I'm assuming here that the thought pictures reflect how the trio are speaking of Zimmy in words. |
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Post by Ophel on Dec 5, 2022 8:46:30 GMT
I'm so glad to see when 2 people who started off on the wrong foot ended up being good friends 😌 I'm assuming here that the thought pictures reflect how the trio are speaking of Zimmy in words. Also, I like how Renard thinks of Zimmy in a manner stereotypical of how people of ages past think of goddesses |
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Post by arf on Dec 5, 2022 9:32:47 GMT
Rey might think the mind is the play thing of the body, but it seems the body might be the play thing of his mind.
... which... let's just not go there.
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Post by Isildur on Dec 5, 2022 11:18:44 GMT
I'm assuming here that the thought pictures reflect how the trio are speaking of Zimmy in words. This seems most likely. I think that it would have to be simply the word "Zimmy" from each of them, though -- wasting much time on talking doesn't really make sense right now, once anyone realizes Zimmy is in danger, as I discussed a couple of pages back when speculating on whether just Kat knew yet, though by now we've seen she somehow hadn't put together yet on her own. (Which... ok, no choice but to accept... but... it just seems below Kat's usual intelligence, notwithstanding her gaps in emotional perceptiveness. I realize we're privileged as readers to get a bird's-eye narrative view, so things may not be as obvious to characters, but still...) At first glance, though, it did seem like a cartoony gag where characters notice each others' thought bubbles, which would have topped a certain cloud or the odd puff of steam for rare-for-GC cartoon tropes. Anyway, it still seems like Aata must know or at least guess who the Court would use as an alternate source, so his neglecting to mention that seems villainous. It still isn't fully clear to me what the absence of ether achieves, except, perhaps, basic safety from beings like Coyote and Loup. Aata and Shell didn't really sell the more abstract "unfairness" of the ether in a way that fully made sense to me. (And for that matter, I still don't get why Kat thinks a world that's more deterministic would be freer and "away from the usual rules and regulations". Like... what regulations are currently even impeding her? The Court doesn't seem to be strict about ethical IRBs. The only seriously limiting obstacle she seems to have hit was Saslamel, and that seems to have been because she was dabbling in etheric or at least ether-related "filtering" without understanding the consequences.) |
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Post by pyradonis on Dec 5, 2022 11:30:34 GMT
Rey might think the mind is the play thing of the body, but it seems the body might be the play thing of his mind. ... which... let's just not go there. A fox's gotta do what a fox's gotta do.
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Post by guntherkrieg on Dec 5, 2022 12:28:36 GMT
Is Zimmy the goddess Kali? The one who creates and destroys?
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Post by rabbit on Dec 5, 2022 13:12:18 GMT
Makeovers by Reynardine: Forest Fab, Court Couture.
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Post by Eily on Dec 5, 2022 14:25:42 GMT
I'm not sure why you wouldn't count someone who can just make fire appear with their mind as someone who "could alter reality itself", among other things Etheric people can do.
It's kinda funny that Annie became the measure of how powerful someone is, being able to add or substract 1 to the current number of Annies (for some reason the latter doesn't seem that hard) is one of the most powerful things you could do it seems. Well not to brag, but Kat participated into turning that number from zero to one. As did her parents, in their own way.
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Post by ctso74 on Dec 5, 2022 14:49:07 GMT
Her mindshake brings all the peeps to the yard. And they're like, ɔ̸͓̱͖͑̅̅ɒ̶̟̝̺̄̕͠И̴̧̘̤̌̔͝ ̴̬̖͙̈́́̿Ɉ̴̢͎̝́͗̈́ɒ̴̙̟͈̉̔̉ƨ̸̡̛̻͎̓̄Ɉ̶͍͉̟̈́̄͝Ǝ̶̳̠́̃͒ͅ ̸̼͕͕̔͒͠ɔ̸̗̭̆̓̉͜ǫ̶̥̘͌̅̚l̵̖̦̭̔̚̚o̶̳̖͍̾͂̔ɿ̴͉̬̬̍͆̒Ƨ̵̹̌̎̇͜͜
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Post by Per on Dec 5, 2022 15:35:36 GMT
It's a fairly common manga trope that people react to visual representations of people's impressions of somebody, even in cases when it's clear they're not being expressed verbally.
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Post by Gemminie on Dec 5, 2022 15:55:31 GMT
Annie is trying to think of any beings in the Forest with power similar to Coyote, but both she and Renard can't think of any there. But Renard directs the conversation toward the time when Loup split Annie in two, which Zimmy reversed.
Kat appears not to want to think about Zimmy – but they think about her anyway. We see Annie's mental image of Zimmy (accurate), Kat's (angry), and Renard's (beautiful, in a Bollywood kind of way).
And then there's a final frame that may be a manga-style extracanonical interaction for humorous purposes, because in it Kat appears to have seen into Renard's thoughts, which would surprise Kat a great deal if it happened, but rather than expressing any surprise about that she's more interested in Renard's image of Zimmy, which Renard insists is because he's friends with Zimmy now.
Clearly their thinking is leading them in the direction of assuming that the Court will go after Zimmy as a source of Ether. I don't think they're right, because it seems too obvious; I think the Court told Kat things that would manipulate her and Annie into thinking along those lines, but with what ends I don't know. Perhaps it wants Annie and Zimmy together for some reason?
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Post by drmemory on Dec 5, 2022 18:53:36 GMT
She does look kinda like Kali in Renard's bubble, or at least an Indian (or Pakistani?) woman in goth-like attire. However, her skin is not dark blue, which is described as a characteristic of Kali. I wonder if there is any chance this is similar to the Aata situation? We certainly didn't expect him to turn out to be a Bodhisattva when we first met him, nor after all the crap he pulled, but apparently it is so. This may not be literal, and even if it is, it may not be that he thinks of her as Kali specifically. There is a whole rich pantheon of gods and other non-human entities in the Hindu religion of which I am not really aware. If someone knows more about this and is interested, I suggest looking for a parallel to the Zimmy/Gamma relationship, as well as the specific powers and characteristics of Zimmy. Then again, I'm not sure how literally we should take all this. A cursory skim of the wikipedia page on Bodhisattva gave me the impression that it is more a path than a specific entity, and I didn't see anything about healing girlfriends with flowers.  Aata doesn't seem to me to match any of the "Eight Main Bodhisatvas" directly. It seems more likely that he's just someone who has been following that path AND happens to have some etheric powers. |
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Post by todd on Dec 5, 2022 23:50:37 GMT
In the "cartoony gag" territory, there was also the scene where Andrew told an octopus it ought to be in the sea rather than on land; it felt a bit like one of those moments in Warner Brothers cartoons where people are walking on thin air, then realize they're doing that - which causes the law of gravity to kick in at last.
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Post by todd on Dec 5, 2022 23:52:11 GMT
Clearly their thinking is leading them in the direction of assuming that the Court will go after Zimmy as a source of Ether. I don't think they're right, because it seems too obvious; Maybe, but after the opening scene in this chapter involving Zimmy and Gamma, Zimmy will have to be involved in some way. From a storytelling view, that scene requires it. |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Dec 6, 2022 2:17:48 GMT
I'm not sure why you wouldn't count someone who can just make fire appear with their mind as someone who "could alter reality itself", among other things Etheric people can do. It's kinda funny that Annie became the measure of how powerful someone is, being able to add or substract 1 to the current number of Annies (for some reason the latter doesn't seem that hard) is one of the most powerful things you could do it seems. Well not to brag, but Kat participated into turning that number from zero to one. As did her parents, in their own way. Well that makes sense, since Kat is also incredibly powerful and low-key worshipped as a god. So far, this Annie-based system of measurement is working! |
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Post by Runningflame on Dec 6, 2022 2:23:46 GMT
It's a fairly common manga trope that people react to visual representations of people's impressions of somebody, even in cases when it's clear they're not being expressed verbally. This tends to happen when people are talking about Zimmy: page 927, for example. |
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Post by blahzor on Dec 6, 2022 4:59:09 GMT
It's a fairly common manga trope that people react to visual representations of people's impressions of somebody, even in cases when it's clear they're not being expressed verbally. This tends to happen when people are talking about Zimmy: page 927, for example. Visual shorthand |
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Post by blahzor on Dec 6, 2022 5:02:21 GMT
Is Zimmy the goddess Kali? The one who creates and destroys? Tom would probably flip it and make Zimmy Shiva and Gamma Kali Kali came from Shiva and Gamma appeared after Zimmy |
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Post by Isildur on Dec 6, 2022 15:25:51 GMT
Yeah, I recall; I arguably should have linked to the later page, to more clearly make the point about that cartoony gag, so thank you for doing so. |
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Post by warrl on Dec 6, 2022 19:04:45 GMT
Anyway, it still seems like Aata must know or at least guess who the Court would use as an alternate source, so his neglecting to mention that seems villainous. What has been said about Aata implies that he might be a large source of etheric partner. Sure, we haven't seen him do much etheric... but we've seen very little of him, and he had pledged to not do anything etheric. All we've seen is the occasion when he broke that pledge to save Shell's life. |
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Post by mordekai on Dec 7, 2022 3:50:49 GMT
Rey's horniness has defeated his fear.
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