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Post by noone3 on Dec 3, 2022 11:52:10 GMT
Looks like people's speculation around the court's plans for Zimmy is coming to fruition. Yup. They're going to change Zimmy into an unstable etherical power reactor, Chernobyl style!
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Post by zaratustra on Dec 3, 2022 12:48:20 GMT
Don't worry guys, it's a swerve, the Court isn't going to drain Zimmy. They're going to drain ANNIE. Why restrict themselves to one student or two? It's not like any of them are coming along, anyway.
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Post by Geekette on Dec 4, 2022 0:35:46 GMT
Zimmy and Annie are certainly powerful, but Kat's the one that shows the closest equivalent to Coyote's power.
I sure hope its more along the lines of "we're going to drain all of the refugees and Foley House students". Big is easier to stop.
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Post by storyteller on Dec 4, 2022 2:50:50 GMT
Don't worry guys, it's a swerve, the Court isn't going to drain Zimmy. They're going to drain ANNIE. Why restrict themselves to one student or two? It's not like any of them are coming along, anyway. True. And a huge drain is a bit more... dramatic of a finale and as has been pointed out in this thread Zimmy is a great catalyst. Which would also explain her concern and basically narrative alarm bells being rung for the audience. Zimmyham is rough if you know what you are doing and is hard to end. The Torn Sea (which would be super foreshadowing/setup in this format) had the siphons which were not actually well defended. A sudden everyone not coming with being shoved into Zimmyham would make defense and counter response a LOT harder. And... well the Court that is leaving fits a certain thematic mold. That of not caring about those not like themselves. Making everyone the drain or at least everyone they wouldn't offer to bring along... well it fits doesn't it.
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Post by saardvark on Dec 4, 2022 3:41:28 GMT
Why restrict themselves to one student or two? It's not like any of them are coming along, anyway. True. And a huge drain is a bit more... dramatic of a finale and as has been pointed out in this thread Zimmy is a great catalyst. Which would also explain her concern and basically narrative alarm bells being rung for the audience. Zimmyham is rough if you know what you are doing and is hard to end. The Torn Sea (which would be super foreshadowing/setup in this format) had the siphons which were not actually well defended. A sudden everyone not coming with being shoved into Zimmyham would make defense and counter response a LOT harder. And... well the Court that is leaving fits a certain thematic mold. That of not caring about those not like themselves. Making everyone the drain or at least everyone they wouldn't offer to bring along... well it fits doesn't it. yeesh, this is so brutal though. If you were just sacrificing one (Jeanne, Zimmy) one could *maybe* pseudo-justify (in the Court's mind) it as "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one", but if you are draining 100s of folks left behind... that is real supervillain level stuff. Could the Court look at itself in the mirror without loathing what it had done/become?
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Post by drmemory on Dec 4, 2022 5:26:21 GMT
I wonder how much ether Aata has? Just because he doesn't do much with it doesn't mean he isn't loaded! I wouldn't think he'd have as much as Coyote but maybe they don't really need that much. Also, they are probably pissed at him for his "betrayal", as they would certainly see his use of the ether after promising otherwise.
Probably not as dramatic if they target him for draining (rather than someone we like better), BUT Annie knows Arizona (Shell) now, as do several others, so I could imagine a plotline there... Frankly I think this is more likely than Renard, Annie, Kat, or Kat's computer being the victim, though I do have some fondness for the "drain ALL the students" theory.
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Post by todd on Dec 4, 2022 12:32:34 GMT
yeesh, this is so brutal though. If you were just sacrificing one (Jeanne, Zimmy) one could *maybe* pseudo-justify (in the Court's mind) it as "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one", but if you are draining 100s of folks left behind... that is real supervillain level stuff. Could the Court look at itself in the mirror without loathing what it had done/become?[/quote] They'd probably excuse it as "they weren't fully human, but mongrels, tainted by the etheric blood in their veins. We have purified ourselves by removing them". Edit: I remembered shortly after writing this that the Foley students were the ones who'd used to be forest-folk; I'd forgotten about them and was thinking of students like Annie with etheric talents. The Court would probably justify the mass-draining of the Foley students on the grounds that they weren't originally human, and thus not true humans. (All this talk about draining people with etheric abilities, in a presumably lethal manner, is starting to remind me of a certain recent animated Disney series - which I'd name here except I don't yet know how spoiler tags work on this board.)
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Dec 5, 2022 0:43:32 GMT
Okay, did I miss the part where Kat said *where* she got that information? Did the people who tried to convince her to join their idiotic voyage just casually tell her that "oh yes, originally we planned to murder and absorb Coyote to power the Star Ocean, but now we calibrated it to murder someone else, but we're not telling you who, because it's a secret, haha"? Bonus points if they added "we're also not telling you why we even need the huge power source now, when several people have allegedly already crossed over, but maybe we just like killing Etheric beings". So I think after the big gathering at the shore a bit ago, they eventually went to each individual person at their home to see what their decision was. That's where Kat just came from presumably. And I think since Kat has been afflicted with Engineer Brain, she probably brought up that the voyage would need lots of etheric power and how would they get that in lieu of Loup showing his face. Which is probably where mentions of it being "reconfigured" came in. This is all speculation of course, but it makes sense to me that they would at least partially reveal that info in an attempt to placate what they'd see as Kat's main concerns. They want her to come after all.
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Post by pyradonis on Dec 5, 2022 11:28:11 GMT
True. And a huge drain is a bit more... dramatic of a finale and as has been pointed out in this thread Zimmy is a great catalyst. Which would also explain her concern and basically narrative alarm bells being rung for the audience. Zimmyham is rough if you know what you are doing and is hard to end. The Torn Sea (which would be super foreshadowing/setup in this format) had the siphons which were not actually well defended. A sudden everyone not coming with being shoved into Zimmyham would make defense and counter response a LOT harder. And... well the Court that is leaving fits a certain thematic mold. That of not caring about those not like themselves. Making everyone the drain or at least everyone they wouldn't offer to bring along... well it fits doesn't it. yeesh, this is so brutal though. If you were just sacrificing one (Jeanne, Zimmy) one could *maybe* pseudo-justify (in the Court's mind) it as "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one", but if you are draining 100s of folks left behind... that is real supervillain level stuff. Could the Court look at itself in the mirror without loathing what it had done/become? Plot twist, the memory erasure works both ways and those who crossed over also forget who they left behind, so they can start over with a clean conscience.
I'm calling dibs on this idea in case Tom doesn't use it, by the way.
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Post by drmemory on Dec 5, 2022 19:14:55 GMT
I was looking back at the Shell interview thread for clues as to current events and the "new planet scam" (no, I'm not going to drop that theory) and found this:
In the last panel of this, Shell says "beyond the ether, something that can be measured and extracted, there was no explanation for your existence, or that of any other etheric creature". That was a load-bearing statement! She actually came out and said that the court can measure and extract ether! We kinda knew this already, but I didn't realize it was so baldly stated.
We still don't know what happens if they suck all the ether out of someone like Coyote (like, does he die?). We do already know that they don't seem to care about this. Just animals and in-humans, right?
I'm still a bit curious about the second part of her statement - like what does the court think constitutes an "etheric creature"? They won't let anyone with any etheric capabilities at all go with them, yet they were supposedly willing to take Aata so long as he didn't use his powers. That obviously doesn't fit - can't be true.
If you think of the whole ocean thing in terms of scammers trying to steal a large quantity of ether, a lot of things make more sense. A long-term scam is still a scam!
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Post by saardvark on Dec 5, 2022 20:18:20 GMT
yeesh, this is so brutal though. If you were just sacrificing one (Jeanne, Zimmy) one could *maybe* pseudo-justify (in the Court's mind) it as "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one", but if you are draining 100s of folks left behind... that is real supervillain level stuff. Could the Court look at itself in the mirror without loathing what it had done/become? Plot twist, the memory erasure works both ways and those who crossed over also forget who they left behind, so they can start over with a clean conscience.
I'm calling dibs on this idea in case Tom doesn't use it, by the way.
ugg, this is even worse! Lets the Court do anything, blackest of evil, and the la-de-da conveniently be able to completely forget it ever happened....
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Post by ophidiophile on Dec 5, 2022 22:27:09 GMT
- Jones. She's got no connection to the Ether that she's conscious of, but many theories about her origin point to her being created by it. This billions-of-years-old entity may have tons of Ether in her.
My bet's on Annie. I'll bet they target her. I'm probably wrong. The Ether is to Jones what dark matter is to humans. We have no way of interacting with it, and we only know it exits indirectly, through its effect on other things.
Annie, as a fire elemental, has very little power. Certainly not enough to warp reality on a grande scale. Coyote, Loup, and Zimmy are the only ones who can do that. And Zimmy has problems with spiders. Did we every find out what those things are? I can't help but think there's more to them.
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Post by drmemory on Dec 6, 2022 16:34:22 GMT
- Jones. She's got no connection to the Ether that she's conscious of, but many theories about her origin point to her being created by it. This billions-of-years-old entity may have tons of Ether in her.
My bet's on Annie. I'll bet they target her. I'm probably wrong. The Ether is to Jones what dark matter is to humans. We have no way of interacting with it, and we only know it exits indirectly, through its effect on other things.
Annie, as a fire elemental, has very little power. Certainly not enough to warp reality on a grande scale. Coyote, Loup, and Zimmy are the only ones who can do that. And Zimmy has problems with spiders. Did we every find out what those things are? I can't help but think there's more to them. I tend to agree with what you said about Annie. Originally, she needed her blinker stone to even see into the ether, even though she learned how to do it on her own by increasing her focus with Renard's help training her. But she had fire powers from the start, implying they aren't dependent on the ether! They are innate, inherited from her mother and her grandmother before her (though they each seem to have had different strengths). Anyway, I think Annie can see into the ether and even enter it and act there, but doesn't carry around a lot of ether power. Her form isn't fluid there like Coyote and we've never seen her add powers at a whim or really do anything other than things she can do in meatspace, like burn things.
As for spiders and Zimmy, there were those fat white spiders that kept trying to hitch a ride out of Zimmyland. Maybe that translates to a dislike of spiders in general? Or maybe she created them due to her own arachnophobia. Cause and effect are sketchy in Zimmy's world.
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