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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 7, 2022 8:11:13 GMT
There's many definitions of love. Some are nearly antithetical. This is one of them, potentially. |
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Post by arf on Nov 7, 2022 8:15:43 GMT
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Post by rafk on Nov 7, 2022 8:29:35 GMT
What is love?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 7, 2022 8:31:48 GMT
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Post by Ophel on Nov 7, 2022 8:35:55 GMT
Well, I can say that I'm uncertain where the story is headed.
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 7, 2022 9:22:57 GMT
If so then this makes me happy.
Mr. Eglamore looks weird in the last panel, however.
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Post by stef1987 on Nov 7, 2022 9:51:34 GMT
I thought he was already in love with Annie?
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Post by blahzor on Nov 7, 2022 10:40:46 GMT
LLoup Cool J
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Post by philman on Nov 7, 2022 13:29:42 GMT
Well, I can say that I'm uncertain where the story is headed. This whole Loup/Lana storyline is all over the place and I have no idea where it is going. I am just hoping it isn't turning into one of those "love fixes everything" stories. |
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Post by speedwell on Nov 7, 2022 14:21:50 GMT
Well, I can say that I'm uncertain where the story is headed. This whole Loup/Lana storyline is all over the place and I have no idea where it is going. It am just hoping it isn't turning into one of those "love fixes everything" stories. Eh, you'll probably be disappointed, then. When the question is one of how a person relates to themselves, to others, and to their circumstances, only love in some form can fix things. Of course you understand I mean far more than kissy-huggy romantic love, here. And love can't fix everything (no matter whether I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, I can't make the sun shine in Donegal for the next five days), but to the extent anything is fixed by someone, it is fixed because someone cared. One of the major themes of the comic is, to paraphrase, "love makes people break things". But the inverse is also true, and important. |
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Post by maxptc on Nov 7, 2022 14:22:17 GMT
I thought he was already in love with Annie? I bet Loup thought so as well. |
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Post by Ophel on Nov 7, 2022 14:24:59 GMT
This whole Loup/Lana storyline is all over the place and I have no idea where it is going. I am just hoping it isn't turning into one of those "love fixes everything" stories. LAUGHING ON LINE, redemption arc, Tom Siddell style. |
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Post by ohthatone on Nov 7, 2022 14:28:01 GMT
Well, I can say that I'm uncertain where the story is headed. This whole Loup/Lana storyline is all over the place and I have no idea where it is going. I am just hoping it isn't turning into one of those "love fixes everything" stories. for me Lana is one of the cringeiest characters I've read, at first I really disliked it but then with the whole loup/Lana angle it crossed over into cringey nonsense that I can't wait to see what happens. Though it does lessen my ability to take loup seriously as a villain. Maybe that is the point though? |
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Post by ctso74 on Nov 7, 2022 14:33:56 GMT
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Post by speedwell on Nov 7, 2022 14:46:02 GMT
This whole Loup/Lana storyline is all over the place and I have no idea where it is going. I am just hoping it isn't turning into one of those "love fixes everything" stories. for me Lana is one of the cringeiest characters I've read, at first I really disliked it but then with the whole loup/Lana angle it crossed over into cringey nonsense that I can't wait to see what happens. Though it does lessen my ability to take loup seriously as a villain. Maybe that is the point though? As cringe-y as Lana is, she wouldn't be half as cringe-y if Loup wasn't in the picture. With a harmless or even good character, I think we can see things having gone very differently. I am not enjoying Loup as a villain. As a reader, I am enjoying that sensation of discomfort, because it means Tom is portraying Loup as an effective villain. Being uncomfortable with Loup means I miss Coyote and Ysengrin and that I feel an emotional pull in the direction of "please, Author, make this not a waste". Loup's eventual redemption, or a resolution back into Coyote (who we suspect of directing things from beyond the veil anyhow) and Ysengrin (who has always seemed more than half a victim in need of rescue), seems to me to be more typical of Tom's storytelling virtuosity than a mere "kill the end boss" ending. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 7, 2022 15:40:00 GMT
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Post by pyradonis on Nov 7, 2022 15:43:12 GMT
I preferred his werewolf form to whatever ape he turned into in the last panel. I thought he was already in love with Annie? "Looks like you're over Zimmy then?" "Haha, no, I still love her."[...] "Why would you chase after a girl if you have feelings for another?" [...]
Hm. Makes me wonder if Jack is officially polyamorous then.
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Post by Gemminie on Nov 7, 2022 17:00:24 GMT
We seem to be looking at some intact or mostly-intact buildings overlooking the ruins area, where the New People have been searching for and unearthing robot CPUs. Focusing in on a window, and then a room within that building, we see Jerrek, overshadowed by an image of Loup. Both are focused on something in the distance, as he realizes that something has changed – it's unknown whether it's the same something that Zimmy and Gamma were noticing on previous pages.
Jerrek introspectively states that it is ... LOVE, as he takes on some canid appearance characteristics.
We still haven't seen what will really change as a result of Loup's new romantic awakening (if indeed that's what it is), but if I had ever hoped that he'd become less annoying, I think those hopes are dashed. It looks like he'll be just as irritating in love as he was before. I suppose it remains to be seen, however.
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Post by bicarbonat on Nov 7, 2022 17:36:05 GMT
LL Cool J Lana Loves Cool Jerrek |
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Post by drmemory on Nov 7, 2022 17:38:48 GMT
Let me be the first to say it:
Puppy Love!
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Post by bicarbonat on Nov 7, 2022 17:46:04 GMT
I preferred his werewolf form to whatever ape he turned into in the last panel. I thought he was already in love with Annie? "Looks like you're over Zimmy then?" "Haha, no, I still love her."[...] "Why would you chase after a girl if you have feelings for another?" [...] Hm. Makes me wonder if Jack is officially polyamorous then.
I should think that polyamory has to involve all parties (namely, consent, feeling) in some capacity, no? By which I mean: the only person Jack is involved with is Jenny. And Jenny's certainly not involved with Zimmy. |
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Post by speedwell on Nov 7, 2022 18:14:40 GMT
I preferred his werewolf form to whatever ape he turned into in the last panel. "Looks like you're over Zimmy then?" "Haha, no, I still love her."[...] "Why would you chase after a girl if you have feelings for another?" [...] Hm. Makes me wonder if Jack is officially polyamorous then.
I should think that polyamory has to involve all parties (namely, consent, feeling) in some capacity, no? By which I mean: the only person Jack is involved with is Jenny. And Jenny's certainly not involved with Zimmy. Strictly speaking, polyamory can also include open relationships of the "I don't want to know anything except that you're being safe and sane and whether you'll be home for breakfast" type. In other words, polyamory agreements can explicitly forbid the participation in the "primary" relationship of the secondary partners, or be formed so that all a partner knows (and is OK with) is "we're not exclusive". There may even be polyamorous networks in which no pair/triad/etc. is "primary". But yeah, lack of consent is cheating or worse even in the context of polyamory. And still having feelings for someone that you choose not to act on because acting on your feelings is not OK in that context is simple integrity - after all, I assure you that in each of my three (!) marriages and an additional long-term relationship, one or the other partner has had to deal with the issue, whether it be feelings for a "lost love" or a new crush. Polyamory is more like something you do than something you are. At the risk of TMI, my husband of 10 years and I are poly, with a strict policy of "we are primary; any new person has to be approved by the other primary partner; non-intercourse kink only; no long-term secondary relationships", which to some people is barely poly at all. But "whatever works for you" is a thing and I don't criticise what works for anyone else. ☮️ |
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 7, 2022 19:38:50 GMT
Hm. Makes me wonder if Jack is officially polyamorous then.
It’s called “harem”, barbarians.  Only now? |
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Post by bicarbonat on Nov 7, 2022 20:18:02 GMT
I should think that polyamory has to involve all parties (namely, consent, feeling) in some capacity, no? By which I mean: the only person Jack is involved with is Jenny. And Jenny's certainly not involved with Zimmy. Strictly speaking, polyamory can also include open relationships of the "I don't want to know anything except that you're being safe and sane and whether you'll be home for breakfast" type. In other words, polyamory agreements can explicitly forbid the participation in the "primary" relationship of the secondary partners, or be formed so that all a partner knows (and is OK with) is "we're not exclusive". There may even be polyamorous networks in which no pair/triad/etc. is "primary". But yeah, lack of consent is cheating or worse even in the context of polyamory. My only point was: is it adequate to count something that has only ever existed in one person's head as a relationship? They can certainly break existing relationships in some cases. But I was pointing to the stark difference in activity/agency. That's what I meant by consent. Lack of consent was part of the problem Jack had in his Springheel era: he moved obsessively and Zimmy was an object of that obsession, without any participation (much less enthusiastic participation) on her part. It's reminiscent of the would-be whale ship's obsession with Lindsey (which, ironically, is where we meet Jenny). |
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Post by pyradonis on Nov 7, 2022 20:57:07 GMT
I preferred his werewolf form to whatever ape he turned into in the last panel. "Looks like you're over Zimmy then?" "Haha, no, I still love her."[...] "Why would you chase after a girl if you have feelings for another?" [...] Hm. Makes me wonder if Jack is officially polyamorous then.
I should think that polyamory has to involve all parties (namely, consent, feeling) in some capacity, no? By which I mean: the only person Jack is involved with is Jenny. And Jenny's certainly not involved with Zimmy. In my understanding being polyamorous simply means being open to love more than one person romantically (and be involved with them) at the same time, not necessarily actively practicing polyamory. As in, I can be homoromantic (or hetero, or whatever) without having to actually be in a romantic relationship with someone of my gender. But I realize it is one of those words everyone understands differently. I am mostly influenced by a friend who always said "I am polyamorous.", whether he was in any relationship at the time, or not. |
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Post by speedwell on Nov 7, 2022 21:37:44 GMT
I should think that polyamory has to involve all parties (namely, consent, feeling) in some capacity, no? By which I mean: the only person Jack is involved with is Jenny. And Jenny's certainly not involved with Zimmy. In my understanding being polyamorous simply means being open to love more than one person romantically (and be involved with them) at the same time, not necessarily actively practicing polyamory. As in, I can be homoromantic (or hetero, or whatever) without having to actually be in a romantic relationship with someone of my gender. But I realize it is one of those words everyone understands differently. I am mostly influenced by a friend who always said "I am polyamorous.", whether he was in any relationship at the time, or not. That's fair. I am certainly not the arbiter of diversity language (at best I am one of the gate guards at the Castle of Correct Spelling, and a member of the Order of the Oxford Comma). The people with whom I discuss such matters seem to have a consensus view that polyamory is distinct from a gender identity or attraction. You can be polyamorous regardless of your gender or attraction. I do remember, that said, a young (in his late 20s) Romanian friend who bitterly complained to me that he was incapable of sustaining a serious relationship because even when he was with a woman he loved dearly, he still fell in love with other women. Because he was dead set against hurting someone he loved by cheating on them, he scrupulously ended his existing relationship before beginning the next. It made him miserable and surly, and repressive Romanian Orthodox Church attitudes toward love and sex were already crazy-making enough. I put it to him that it was possible for a principled individual to engage in responsible non-monogamy, and sent him off to read about polyamory. He contacted me a few months later to tell me I saved his life (OK, OK, he was a bit excitable, ESFP to my INTJ). I haven't heard from him since. I think I understand how a therapist feels at the end of therapy, haha. |
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Post by fia on Nov 7, 2022 22:39:28 GMT
This whole Loup/Lana storyline is all over the place and I have no idea where it is going. It am just hoping it isn't turning into one of those "love fixes everything" stories. Eh, you'll probably be disappointed, then. Funny, I had the opposite notion, largely because of how mockingly Loup's "love" has been framed these last two times he's been shown with hearts around him. Too sarcastically portrayed to be taken at face value. Contrast with the treatment of Kat's relationship with Paz, Smitty's relationship with Parley, even Zimmy/Gamma and Jack's whole... arc. Those were far more respectfully portrayed by Tom, even when the relationships weren't straightforward or a little unusual or even doomed. |
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Post by rimwolf on Nov 8, 2022 0:28:30 GMT
My take is that what's getting Loup off is that someone has declared their (professedly unconditional) love for him; definitely a first for him. It has little to do with Lana per se, someone he apparently despised just a few pages ago. But now he's on a narcissistic high -- someone (anyone) has finally recognized his "true worth" -- and he mistakes that for being "in love". The crash when he comes off it will probably be unpleasant for all concerned.
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Post by Isildur on Nov 8, 2022 9:25:49 GMT
It's overshadowed, perhaps, by the zany deformation in the final panel, but when viewing the penultimate panel, did anyone think of anime "Serious, Mature Guy in Serious, Reflecting Mode" TM?  "So that's how it is..." *breeze stirs hair*  |
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Post by blackouthart on Nov 8, 2022 9:35:32 GMT
A summary of my thoughts: “Jesus Christ” and “no no no no no”, etcetera. Also, “if he breaks into a Disney musical number, I think that’s where we can say this jumped the shark.”
Edit: also, amazing edit, Isildur.
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