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Post by blahzor on Sept 7, 2022 13:50:44 GMT
Wait. So Jerrek isn't Loup. He is just riding him, or wearing like a suit... more like Loup created Jerrek and they are slowly splitting apart into 2 different entities |
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Post by davidm on Sept 7, 2022 14:45:19 GMT
Frankly, I’m creeped out that Jerrek takes Annie’s hand, blushing, immediately after he says he doesn’t take ‘no’ for an answer. Same Jerrek that is being told *no* by Loup, "time to dump Annie", etc, and was nasty to the boy elves because they *might* try to force selves on female robot. In my opinion too early to pass judgement on Jerrek, he could be Loup's "good side", or yes he could be crazy Yandere like the crazy jealous possessive girls in Anime harems. Loup came from Y and Coyote and exceeded them in being "bad", Jerrek could be the good side from both, especially Y. |
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Post by shadow3 on Sept 7, 2022 15:48:07 GMT
I still think the Star Ocean and ether-less planet might be a lure trap for Loup.
Based on how the ether was described, any place where people go would contain the ether because their stories travel with them.
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Post by novia on Sept 7, 2022 17:20:51 GMT
What if Jerrek gets on the star ocean ship to rid himself of his etheric side (Loup)?
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Post by maxptc on Sept 7, 2022 18:27:37 GMT
.... is that what you kids are calling it these days?
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Post by fia on Sept 7, 2022 19:14:43 GMT
I thought maybe Jerrek wanted to "see the star ocean" as an excuse to go on a 'date' with Annie. So he's kind of proposing such a date to her. Because, like, aren't long walks on the beach romantic?
Did everyone else interpret this as something Loup wants to do?
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Post by silicondream on Sept 7, 2022 20:18:34 GMT
What if Jerrek gets on the star ocean ship to rid himself of his etheric side (Loup)? Yeah, that's my thought. If he's becoming more independent, then he's experiencing himself as a fairly stable (if still creepily possessive and self-centered) dude with a megalomaniacal ragewolf constantly screaming in the back of his head. That can't be pleasant. Heading to a null-ether zone might be his attempt at self-medication. ...and yes, maybe a good route to to complete suicide for Coyote. Born from human fantasies, dies as a New Person gets his imagination under control... |
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Post by bedinsis on Sept 7, 2022 21:18:26 GMT
I second those that considers his statement of not accepting rejection and afterwards coming closer to Annie creepy. All the more since he recognized the social cues when the elf boys came close to Lana.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 7, 2022 21:35:06 GMT
I don't think that this is "split personality" or a "rift" between Jerrek and Loup, but rather that Loup created an entire persona/individual and his original being is riding (and hiding) along like a passenger, only taking full control when he wants to or the need arises. Well, I used the word "rift" because it looks like the goals of "Loup" and "Jerrek" are diverging. "Loup" did say that he was going to disguise himself so completely that he becomes what he's disguising himself as entirely, ala Coyote. Yet, we've clearly seen something of "Loup" remains guiding him in directions he wills. Coyote could forget that he was Coyote when disguised but this hasn't happened here, either because "Loup" doesn't want to forget or isn't disguised quite the same way or both. A few pages back we saw "Loup" refer to "Jerrek" as a fool that he no longer needed. Even so, "Jerrek" remains and on this page is again being called a fool by "Loup" so you may be correct in that "Jerrek" had autonomy from the get-go and we haven't seen it displayed until now. I'm more inclined to think that's because when "Jerrek" was created he didn't have any particular wants or needs, or maybe better to say didn't have any that differed from those of "Loup," and this is changing over time. How about this: The "Jerrek" persona is causing dissonance in "Loup" and potentially may (and likely will) permit "Loup" to experience self-reflection in a way he could not before. I think that's true regardless if "Jerrek" is, is not, or is becoming a distinct entity unto himself. Experience of self-reflection is critical for those who, from a human perspective, seek to modify their own world-view and behaviors. That's gonna be relevant to the story. |
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Post by antiyonder on Sept 7, 2022 23:20:36 GMT
Huh. My first thought was that the Jerrek persona is getting independent... but why would Jerrek be suddenly so bent on seeing the Star Ocean? He's a closet video game fans?:-D |
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Post by shaihulud on Sept 7, 2022 23:30:16 GMT
Coyote's "Dead Goose By A Lake" story is less quaint, when he tells you that the goose was a complete creeper. If you think Coyote is a creeper, wait until you meet his wife, Coyote. |
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Post by todd on Sept 7, 2022 23:42:17 GMT
I still think the Star Ocean and ether-less planet might be a lure trap for Loup. Based on how the ether was described, any place where people go would contain the ether because their stories travel with them. We know that the Court supposedly has plans to make everyone who stays behind forget those who left - though people have pointed out that has its own problems. And they might plan to establish a "no storytelling" mentality in this new settlement (though I doubt that would work either). |
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Post by mordekai on Sept 8, 2022 0:47:25 GMT
I still think the Star Ocean and ether-less planet might be a lure trap for Loup. Based on how the ether was described, any place where people go would contain the ether because their stories travel with them. Yep. The Court would have to be stupid to not expect interference from Loup, and I bet Loup could mess with the Star Ocean badly... So it could be that the Star Ocean is an elaborate trap to destroy Loup. I would still have bits of truth mixed with the lies to make it more convincing (they don't know how much Loup knows...) but the Star Ocean itself would be a snare...
I still think the Star Ocean and ether-less planet might be a lure trap for Loup. Based on how the ether was described, any place where people go would contain the ether because their stories travel with them. We know that the Court supposedly has plans to make everyone who stays behind forget those who left - though people have pointed out that has its own problems. And they might plan to establish a "no storytelling" mentality in this new settlement (though I doubt that would work either). Asuming they DO really intend to leave, I suspect they could solve that issue by killing everybody left behind... when they leave, they turn the machines generating the pocket dimension off, and everybody left behind falls to outer space... problem solved... |
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Post by Pig_catapult on Sept 8, 2022 2:15:51 GMT
Loup wants to investigate the star ocean, so why is he mad about Jerrek wanting the same? Or is Loup just jelly of his creation holding Annie's hand?
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Post by novia on Sept 8, 2022 3:13:27 GMT
Huh. My first thought was that the Jerrek persona is getting independent... but why would Jerrek be suddenly so bent on seeing the Star Ocean? Excellent question. I had personally assumed it was related in some way to Robot-as-angel presenting the embodiment experience as an ocean. Certainly if I had been through a transformational experience like that, oceans would never be the same to me again. But Robot didn't meet Jerrek.. aka Jerrek didn't get the transformational experience. |
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Post by jda on Sept 8, 2022 4:32:54 GMT
I suspect they'll go and each step towards the ocean gets more and more difficult to Jerrek, since the Ocean repels Loup's sight and power (either that or Loup gets just blind), and then Annie seeing him frozen, just pulls him forward, forcing then:
a) split between Jerrek and Loup
b) Jerrek dissolving, so Loup appears.
c) the movement gets blocked. Annie tugs but to no avail, even when Jerrek is not resisting.
(ALSO: I tried to find a reference about an 80s/90s movie about a man that was possessed but didn't know, and in a moment of clarity, when in a meadow, saw a priest with some other persons having a (saint) party, chanting and so. He tried to move towards them, but an invisible barrier stopped him.
Would anyone in the audience recognize it or know a site that I can ask about? Thanks a lot!)
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Post by Polyhymnia on Sept 8, 2022 5:05:25 GMT
Frankly, I’m creeped out that Jerrek takes Annie’s hand, blushing, immediately after he says he doesn’t take ‘no’ for an answer. Same Jerrek that is being told *no* by Loup, "time to dump Annie", etc, and was nasty to the boy elves because they *might* try to force selves on female robot. In my opinion too early to pass judgement on Jerrek, he could be Loup's "good side", or yes he could be crazy Yandere like the crazy jealous possessive girls in Anime harems. Loup came from Y and Coyote and exceeded them in being "bad", Jerrek could be the good side from both, especially Y. I don’t know how the narrative will turn out, but I know that my reaction to Jerrek is now firmly “I’m creeped out by him and I hate every hint of romance or crush.” Objectively, Jerrek may be written any of number of ways, but my subjective reaction is: “oh, please don’t let this go where I think it’s going.” |
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Post by rylfrazier on Sept 8, 2022 5:30:40 GMT
Tom is challenging the readers in an interesting way here.
Annie has a long history of forgiving the men in her life perhaps a bit more than she should, but Tom is not letting us forget that Loup is a dangerous, capricious and cruel child.
We couple that with the history of Surma's toying with Rey's emotions in their early days.
It'll be very interesting to see where this goes. I feel like Tom is doing something pretty interesting here - Annie has generally been pretty empathic, almost to a fault - that said we have seen what it looks like when she has a crush and we aren't seeing that here. I'm thinking we aren't going to see a "and then they kissed" mutual romance, but I also don't think Annie will be cruel about this. I think she will use this to help Loup become a better being.
But that's just a guess.
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Post by speedwell on Sept 8, 2022 5:49:49 GMT
Excellent question. I had personally assumed it was related in some way to Robot-as-angel presenting the embodiment experience as an ocean. Certainly if I had been through a transformational experience like that, oceans would never be the same to me again. But Robot didn't meet Jerrek.. aka Jerrek didn't get the transformational experience. That's not something we know. Given the increased likelihood as of this strip that Jerrek was "possessed" by Loup and not created by him out of whole cloth as a decoy, he may very well "be" the infrastructure maintenance robot we met in that chapter, as most of us first supposed. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 8, 2022 6:22:54 GMT
The funny thing about god-tier powers is that they can do some wack stuff. If "Jerrek" was created to be a completely realistic disguise then "Jerrek" may not have been drawing on "Loup"/Ysengrin's understanding/recollection of what robots did to spout the "pipes" misdirection. Might have just been the ether making it so, albeit vaguely. Wouldn't surprise me if Coyote could've disguised himself so thoroughly that Robot actually would have remembered him (or thought he did, or the machine analog of same) without Coyote bothering to manually change his memories or even knowing who Robot was at the time the disguise was done.
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 8, 2022 12:11:47 GMT
But Robot didn't meet Jerrek.. aka Jerrek didn't get the transformational experience. That's not something we know. Given the increased likelihood as of this strip that Jerrek was "possessed" by Loup and not created by him out of whole cloth as a decoy, he may very well "be" the infrastructure maintenance robot we met in that chapter, as most of us first supposed. |
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Post by todd on Sept 8, 2022 12:39:52 GMT
But Robot didn't meet Jerrek.. aka Jerrek didn't get the transformational experience. That's not something we know. Given the increased likelihood as of this strip that Jerrek was "possessed" by Loup and not created by him out of whole cloth as a decoy, he may very well "be" the infrastructure maintenance robot we met in that chapter, as most of us first supposed. Except we actually saw Loup shape-shift into Jerrek. |
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Post by todd on Sept 8, 2022 12:42:44 GMT
Asuming they DO really intend to leave, I suspect they could solve that issue by killing everybody left behind... when they leave, they turn the machines generating the pocket dimension off, and everybody left behind falls to outer space... problem solved... Except all the people killed that way would take the Court's departure into the ether with them (unless the Court was planning to put a stop to that as well, by changing the rules - somehow - about how the ether works). Or it could be that the Court really didn't think it all out too well and were simply blinded by hubris. |
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Post by drmemory on Sept 8, 2022 16:07:00 GMT
It seemed to me like Annie thought she might be about to finally get her first kiss, from the shy and blushing Jerrek. Not sure what she thinks now, other than "So what's keeping you from walking down to the waterfront?". Along with a feeling of mild disappointment about again missing out on seeing what all the fuss is about romance.
Poor Annie.
Pretty funny seeing Loup's reactions to what Jerrek does too. He chose to fully conceal himself as Jerrek using Coyote's powers, and Jerrek is acting like Jerrek would act, except when Loup tries to impose his will directly. But he doesn't really understand how Jerrek would act, so he keeps being surprised. At least that's how I interpret what we've been seeing.
Consider how Coyote made the goose wife (with the dead husband). She was sad that he was dead and forgot she was Coyote until Coyote remembered. I think the Jerrek situation is more like that, than like when Coyote actually took over an ant for a while then released it after he had his fun. Jerrek is a construct, and Loup is very inexperienced with Coyote's powers.
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Post by yellowb on Sept 8, 2022 16:47:32 GMT
That's not something we know. Given the increased likelihood as of this strip that Jerrek was "possessed" by Loup and not created by him out of whole cloth as a decoy, he may very well "be" the infrastructure maintenance robot we met in that chapter, as most of us first supposed. Except we actually saw Loup shape-shift into Jerrek. That is correct. We did not see any NP looking like Jerrek, then being possessed by Loup. Surely Tom would have shown us Jerrek prior to him being possessed if that had happened. Also, a possessed body can hardly go through walls - like Loup did, in his Jerrek form, just before Robot confronted him. Speaking of which, the dialogue between Robot and Loup would have been different (see also pyradonis's post). |
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Post by alevice on Sept 8, 2022 17:08:29 GMT
Am I starting to see a bit of a rift between "Jerrek" and "Loup"? That might be relevant later. TBH i think its just his subconscious betraying him. Like Jerrek mask is who Loup genuinely wants to be but his ego/conscious/whatever im not a psychologist is in denial |
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Post by Runningflame on Sept 9, 2022 1:30:23 GMT
Lest we forget, Loup is a combination of these two guys. Acting creepy and/or violent toward Annie is par for the course for him (which doesn't excuse any of it, obviously). The extra big problem with the current situation is that Annie doesn't realize who she's dealing with, so she's not on her guard like she normally would be. |
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Post by Runningflame on Sept 9, 2022 1:36:45 GMT
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