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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 5, 2022 7:04:00 GMT
Yeah that's going to be a public relations black eye for the indefinite future. |
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Post by philman on Sept 5, 2022 7:07:56 GMT
Where Loup realises he may have screwed up.
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Post by bicarbonat on Sept 5, 2022 7:12:35 GMT
Time to crank up the apology tour, maybe see if you can upchuck a leg and leave it at their doorstep.
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Post by maxptc on Sept 5, 2022 7:42:39 GMT
"Okay I did burn Reys body. But he gave me advice about a girl, which I felt was condescending. So maybe we both overreacted, said and did things we shouldn't have. I guess what I'm saying is I'm ready to forgive you both if you tell me state secrets."
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 5, 2022 9:08:05 GMT
What does Annie mean by "there's no way we'd believe he was sincere"? She wouldn't believe Loup wants to sincerely know what the Court is up to?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 5, 2022 9:16:49 GMT
What does Annie mean by "there's no way we'd believe he was sincere"? She wouldn't believe Loup wants to sincerely know what the Court is up to? I think she means that if "Loup" approached her (or one of her friends) she (or they) wouldn't believe that he was there because he really cares about the Court's plans; she (or they) would think he was actually looking for a reason to lash out at someone or otherwise screw someone over, potentially her (or them or whoever was handy). |
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Post by speedwell on Sept 5, 2022 10:53:30 GMT
Everyone in this comment thread is at the top of the insight game today, my god. đ€©
This page (and Jerrek's hilarious, adorable attempt to look innocent in panel 6) should go up next to wherever we keep evidence for the saying, "Those who eavesdrop never hear any good of themselves".
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Post by csj on Sept 5, 2022 11:20:01 GMT
'ok um just a hypothetical but what if i did a metaphysical crime but tried to hold hands afterwards
haha jk...
unless...'
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Post by Gemini Jim on Sept 5, 2022 18:36:59 GMT
I love how this, especially panel 6, is basically, "So, I have this friend, let's call him Woup..."
Or it would be, except Annie still isn't suspicious. Unless she's bluffing, and her question in panel 2 is actually, "Loup, why do you ask?"
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Post by blahzor on Sept 5, 2022 18:53:35 GMT
Loup should do a charity drive where he hands out chickens to those left behind
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Post by csj on Sept 5, 2022 20:38:37 GMT
Loup should do a charity drive where he hands out chickens to those left behind the coyote memorial charity drive, where he sells his own body parts; it'd buy a lot of xboxen* for orphans of the great de/reforesting multi-limb marketing non-fungible tibias corpse-o-currency * the xboxes are all cursed |
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Post by ctso74 on Sept 5, 2022 21:12:31 GMT
Everyone in this comment thread is at the top of the insight game today, my god. đ€© This page (and Jerrek's hilarious, adorable attempt to look innocent in panel 6) should go up next to wherever we keep evidence for the saying, "Those who eavesdrop never hear any good of themselves". Annie: "He's completely insincere." Jerrek/Loup: "Yeah." Annie: "We'd spit on any words he'd say." Jerrek/Loup: "Right..." Annie: "We wouldn't piss on him, out of fear of dirtying our own urine." Jerrek/Loup: "WOAH! Woah!... Woah..." |
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Post by drmemory on Sept 5, 2022 22:00:12 GMT
I hope this leads to him finally getting a little insight. Versus his usual sudden, violent overreaction. Possibilities for next page, in reverse order of likelihood, by my (unjustifiable) scoring: 1. Violent overreaction. Blows his cover due to rage, maybe hurts someone. 2. Blows his cover but doesn't hurt anyone right away, just leaves. 3. Provides clues to Annie, who really isn't THAT clueless, just not much of a sleuth, leading to his cover later being blown. Her first reaction is almost always to try and understand what's wrong and help if possible, right? But if Jerrek starts defending Loup here, I think that may make her suspicious. 4. Keeps his cool. Ends conversation gracefully. Possible, but only if he still sees value in the Jerrek disguise. 5. Realizes he is the source of his own problems. I don't think that this one is very likely. 6. Admits he is Loup and asks for help. And then all the fairies and animals dance and sing a little song.  |
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Post by TBeholder on Sept 6, 2022 2:20:14 GMT
In Which Loup Starts To Notice Who Is His Worst Enemy.
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Post by guntherkrieg on Sept 7, 2022 11:18:55 GMT
"Okay I did burn Reys body. But he gave me advice about a girl, which I felt was condescending. So maybe we both overreacted, said and did things we shouldn't have. I guess what I'm saying is I'm ready to forgive you both if you tell me state secrets." The only thing I'm sorry about is your allowing yourself to feel I did something wrong! |
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Post by drmemory on Sept 8, 2022 16:16:45 GMT
"Okay I did burn Reys body. But he gave me advice about a girl, which I felt was condescending. So maybe we both overreacted, said and did things we shouldn't have. I guess what I'm saying is I'm ready to forgive you both if you tell me state secrets." The only thing I'm sorry about is your allowing yourself to feel I did something wrong! Loup keeps doing things and expecting certain reactions and not understanding why nobody understands his point. Like for example, he destroyed Renard's body because he was pissed off about being tricked. At least that's what he claimed - he was actually pissed off about things that people said ABOUT him that he wasn't there for as himself and therefore shouldn't have known about. Like not taking things seriously.
So he somehow thought that by destroying Renard's fox body, he'd get some reaction that he didn't get. He claimed it was meant to be a lesson for Renard, then was even more upset when Annie reacted by comforting him. Loup clearly has no clue how normal people think nor how normal emotions work. So he gets even angrier and does even worse things... This can't end well.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 9, 2022 2:33:09 GMT
So he somehow thought that by destroying Renard's fox body, he'd get some reaction that he didn't get. He claimed it was meant to be a lesson for Renard, then was even more upset when Annie reacted by comforting him. Loup clearly has no clue how normal people think nor how normal emotions work. So he gets even angrier and does even worse things... This can't end well. I believe the reaction "Loup" expected was groveling submission and subservience. He demonstrated his power and willingness to use it to harm them but did not (and does not) understand that not everyone sees the world the same way he does. If you believe that the essential truth of existence is that "the strong do what they will, the weak suffer what they must" (Thucydides) then it follows that the weak should naturally want to serve the strong; they must do so for protection and should be happy to do so. In his mind "Loup" has been offering a relationship to Antimony when he does stuff like this, and moreover has added a lot of sweeteners to the deal; he would probably say her refusals are childish (in not understanding the way the world works) or take it personally (as in, she would roll over and show her belly to someone else but not him). Actually that reminds me of a girl I very briefly dated in my earliest days of college. She showed up for a date with another dude and tried to bait us into fighting over her, then trashed me around campus as a wimp because I just bailed. When I ran into her again much later she bragged about how she had better options than me and therefore I should not only pretend she'd been polite when she'd been rude af, but simp her things in order to keep any part of attention... and then she burst into tears and fled when I politely declined a few times without getting mad or hurt (or feeling much of anything, actually). I think she legit expected me to fall in line as a little follower of hers because she'd demonstrated her superiority (in her mind) and couldn't conceive of any reason why I wouldn't other than pettiness on my part, though I also suspect she also hadn't been told "no" a lot in her life. |
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Post by drmemory on Sept 9, 2022 16:47:34 GMT
So he somehow thought that by destroying Renard's fox body, he'd get some reaction that he didn't get. He claimed it was meant to be a lesson for Renard, then was even more upset when Annie reacted by comforting him. Loup clearly has no clue how normal people think nor how normal emotions work. So he gets even angrier and does even worse things... This can't end well. I believe the reaction "Loup" expected was groveling submission and subservience. He demonstrated his power and willingness to use it to harm them but did not (and does not) understand that not everyone sees the world the same way he does. If you believe that the essential truth of existence is that "the strong do what they will, the weak suffer what they must" (Thucydides) then it follows that the weak should naturally want to serve the strong; they must do so for protection and should be happy to do so. In his mind "Loup" has been offering a relationship to Antimony when he does stuff like this, and moreover has added a lot of sweeteners to the deal; he would probably say her refusals are childish (in not understanding the way the world works) or take it personally (as in, she would roll over and show her belly to someone else but not him). Actually that reminds me of a girl I very briefly dated in my earliest days of college. She showed up for a date with another dude and tried to bait us into fighting over her, then trashed me around campus as a wimp because I just bailed. When I ran into her again much later she bragged about how she had better options than me and therefore I should not only pretend she'd been polite when she'd been rude af, but simp her things in order to keep any part of attention... and then she burst into tears and fled when I politely declined a few times without getting mad or hurt (or feeling much of anything, actually). I think she legit expected me to fall in line as a little follower of hers because she'd demonstrated her superiority (in her mind) and couldn't conceive of any reason why I wouldn't other than pettiness on my part, though I also suspect she also hadn't been told "no" a lot in her life. Yessss.... The creatures in the jungle show dominance through teeth and claw. I remember Jones pointing that out once. So maybe that's the key to Loup - he's trying to show dominance and expecting people to more or less submit, and is baffled and ever more angry when they instead respond with compassion and understanding and try to help each other. Because animals don't do that. At least not wolves. I think you've hit it here. To see what kind of reaction he's expecting, one need only look at how Ysengrin quivered in fear when Coyote did things to him.
Still odd though. Renard is pretty much an expert on the human condition, and Coyote can know everything if he chooses to. Coyote is a master planner and manipulator, and his skills are available to Loup if he decides to use them, but he's still thinking in turns of dominance and submission. He COULD do better if he wanted to. He could certainly understand what's going on if he bothered to!
This all puts me in mind of one of my favorite songs of all time:
I've seen BoC live twice in my life, over 30 years apart. Guess it's only a matter of time before personal stuff starts coming out here.  Anyway, now I'm gonna hear that song as a soundtrack when reading about Loup. |
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Post by saardvark on Sept 9, 2022 20:31:14 GMT
This all puts me in mind of one of my favorite songs of all time:
I've seen BoC live twice in my life, over 30 years apart. Guess it's only a matter of time before personal stuff starts coming out here. Anyway, now I'm gonna hear that song as a soundtrack when reading about Loup. Thanks for the song tip! Never heard much early BOC before... great solo this one. Its always fun to discover new music! |
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Anyway, now I'm gonna hear that song as a soundtrack when reading about Loup.