[2670] "...now that I know their designs!"

[imaginaryfriend]

I've been theorizing that dying was just like adventure tourism for Coyote but now I wonder if he's actually separating from the ether so that he can scoot into this new fun place that the Court's backers have. They'll love him there.

[stef1987]

Who is the "fool" Loup mentions?

He's not talking about Annie is he?

[arf]

I think he's referring to his avatar, Jerrek.

(Loup has expressed his fondness for Annie in the past.)

[Ophel]

The fool Loup is reffering to is clearly Boxbot who's been his sidekick this whole time who's always just offscreen.

[stef1987]

Aug 31, 2022 7:09:33 GMT arf said:

(Loup has expressed his fondness for Annie in the past.)

I know, but he's looking right at her when he said that

[madjack]

Referring to yourself as a separate entity is a bad sign, Loup.

[novia]

Aug 31, 2022 7:09:33 GMT arf said:

I think he's referring to his avatar, Jerrek.

(Loup has expressed his fondness for Annie in the past.)

He's also called Antimony a fool before. Remember he's still riding that super jealous feeling from earlier too.

[philman]

Aug 31, 2022 7:04:34 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

I've been theorizing that dying was just like adventure tourism for Coyote but now I wonder if he's actually separating from the ether so that he can scoot into this new fun place that the Court's backers have. They'll love him there.

I've long thought that Coyote wanted to die in order to become one of the reincarnated humans, in the same way that fairies and animals do. I am sure he is clever enough to bamboozle his way onto whatever project the Court is working on and sabotage/manipulate it from the inside.

[Igniz]

"Loup thinks"
Loup... thinks? Well, as a living being, yeah, to an extent.

Aug 31, 2022 7:10:48 GMT Ophel said:

The fool Loup is reffering to is clearly Boxbot who's been his über boss this whole time who's always just offscreen.

There, fixed.

[heranje]

Aug 31, 2022 7:10:52 GMT stef1987 said:

Aug 31, 2022 7:09:33 GMT arf said:

(Loup has expressed his fondness for Annie in the past.)

I know, but he's looking right at her when he said that

I think because he's about to get distracted from his intention to discard Jerrek by Jerrek's crush on Annie.

[yellowb]

I for one hope Loup now discards the Jerrek persona, it's been long enough. Also, it would fit the chapter title (Confessions).

[novia]

Aug 31, 2022 9:04:51 GMT heranje said:

Aug 31, 2022 7:10:52 GMT stef1987 said:

I know, but he's looking right at her when he said that

I think because he's about to get distracted from his intention to discard Jerrek by Jerrek's crush on Annie.

So uhh hey Annie do you have dinner plans?

[todd]

Jerrek's statement that the Court wants to become "gods of their own new world" recalls Coyote's earlier statement that the Court is "man's attempt to become God".

I'd thought at first that this was Coyote's perspective on the court (and attempt to influence Annie's perception of the Court), and might not reflect how the Court views itself. But after the recent revelations about the Omega Device, I'm wondering if that does more accurately reflect the Court's goals. I'd thought for most of this time that the Court's interference with the ether was an unintended side-effect of its studies - that it was simply trying to understand things and didn't realize the effects it was having on others (not that it was entirely innocent under that interpretation - we knew that it had deliberately killed Jeanne and her lover, deceived Renard in order to capture him, and engaged in various other unscrupulous acts).

But now it seems that the Court's real goal isn't knowledge and understanding, but control. Its goal is to predict the future so that it can control it. That's the whole point of the Omega Device, not just to foretell events, but apparently also to force them in the direction that the Court wants the future to take. So the description of them seeking to become gods may indeed match the Court, rather than just Coyote's interpretation of it.

[ctso74]

I'm sensing a "But..."
I swear if in the next page, Loup/Jerrek has a kawaii moment and decides to stay in Jerrek, that I'm wagging my finger at the screen. Yeah. Be warned. Better not happen.
Also, it would blow Annie's mind, for Jerrek to morph into Loup, right in front of her. I mean, it would blow mine.

[Sky Schemer]

I'll admit that I don't get it. He hates The Court. The Court wants to leave.

So. Just let them?

Problem solved.

[madjack]

Aug 31, 2022 14:51:54 GMT Sky Schemer said:

I'll admit that I don't get it. He hates The Court. The Court wants to leave.

So. Just let them?

Problem solved.

Too much pride.

[imaginaryfriend]

Aug 31, 2022 13:36:27 GMT yellowb said:

I for one hope Loup now discards the Jerrek persona, it's been long enough. Also, it would fit the chapter title (Confessions).

If he's serious about losing the Jerrek persona and wants to weaken Antimony's attachments to her friends/support network this would be a nifty time to burn Robot. "Oh hey, I'm actually Loup and guess how I got away with this disguise? Yeah, your friend Robot helped me fool you. Couldn't have done it without him. He knew right away it was me. All he wanted in return was me not to mess with the newmens, said I could do anything I wanted to you... and that wasn't my ask either, he just said that out of the blue. Thanks for spilling your guts about your feelings and the Court's plans and stuff. Okay, bye now."

Robot would probably confess to it immediately if confronted... but since this disguise gets him close to Antimony I don't think its use is over quite yet.

[todd]

Aug 31, 2022 14:51:54 GMT Sky Schemer said:

I'll admit that I don't get it. He hates The Court. The Court wants to leave.

So. Just let them?

Problem solved.

Probably a sad case of hatred and desire for revenge trumping common sense; he wants to see the Court destroyed, not just relocated.

And there might also be the fear that the Court's experiments on this new planet could still somehow threaten the ether - and thereby Loup's existence.

[mturtle7]

Aug 31, 2022 13:45:05 GMT novia said:

Aug 31, 2022 9:04:51 GMT heranje said:

I think because he's about to get distracted from his intention to discard Jerrek by Jerrek's crush on Annie.

So uhh hey Annie do you have dinner plans?

Honestly, I just assumed this was already their first date. I mean, I imagine that Annie may or may not have left some ambiguity about whether it's technically a date date, so as to not put too much pressure on the whole thing and rule out the possibility of them being friends (that seems like an Annie thing to do)...but, c'mon. They're alone together, in what looks like a nice park (based on that one panel from last page), and she's ranting about her personal life in a way that makes it clear she expects sympathy and support from Jerrek. I'm pretty sure this is a date.

Aug 31, 2022 14:51:54 GMT Sky Schemer said:

I'll admit that I don't get it. He hates The Court. The Court wants to leave.

So. Just let them?

Problem solved.

From his dialogue on the page, it sounds like he's only interested in the Court's star ocean right now because he thinks Coyote was interested in it, and he really really wants to fulfill whatever purpose Coyote left behind for him. Poor guy has issues, what can I tell ya.

[Gemini Jim]

Maybe this should be under Wild Spec:

Now that Loup knows about the Star Ocean, wouldn't he want to investigate it on his own? (Perhaps with Annie tagging along for whatever reason?) This is some major new discovery, where the Court apparently wants to get as far away from Loup/ Coyote as possible.

So, perhaps still in Jerrek disguise, he goes to check it out... (* back at the shore, where the Left Behind court people, other than Kat, are still standing around? I would snicker at that).

And then what? Would he reveal himself, pretty much at the heart of the Court's escape plans?

So just a thought here, it seems like if the Court were playing a long game, and assuming they still need ether as an Omega power source or Star Ocean fuel.... well, here walks a huge source of it, practically delivering it to them....

[mordekai]

Aug 31, 2022 19:33:37 GMT Gemini Jim said:

Maybe this should be under Wild Spec:

Now that Loup knows about the Star Ocean, wouldn't he want to investigate it on his own? (Perhaps with Annie tagging along for whatever reason?) This is some major new discovery, where the Court apparently wants to get as far away from Loup/ Coyote as possible.

So, perhaps still in Jerrek disguise, he goes to check it out... (* back at the shore, where the Left Behind court people, other than Kat, are still standing around? I would snicker at that).

And then what? Would he reveal himself, pretty much at the heart of the Court's escape plans?

So just a thought here, it seems like if the Court were playing a long game, and assuming they still need ether as an Omega power source or Star Ocean fuel.... well, here walks a huge source of it, practically delivering it to them....

Mmmm... this may be a trap... Aata may be spreading information in order to have it reach Loup's ears, and lure him to the Star Ocean, where they will try to get rid of him yet again, and maybe suck his power too...

I mean, I just can't believe they are going to use a Etheric Ocean to travel to another star system and they aren't worried about Loup ruining everything... pretty sure he could interfere with an etheric creation such as that with little effort...

[drmemory]

Agree that it isn't clear whether he is talking about Annie or the Jerrek persona. I assumed it was Annie, both because he was looking at her and because he's called her a fool before in his interior monologue (as pointed out above by novia). But perhaps not?

I'm more interested in what those bright areas are he can't approach. Maybe it's the "ocean of stars"? It is shown as being very bright on this page, and he hints that he hasn't been able to approach it yet.

If he wasn't such an immature brat, I'd say this was the perfect time to comfort Annie and perhaps get closer to her, even if only as a friend. She even came to him when she needed someone to vent to! But it seems like he's about to pop instead.

Also, I really don't think he's learned what Coyote wanted him to learn yet...

What are the odds that Annie knows it's him and is willing to be his friend anyway? He's shown, as Jerrek, that he's capable of acting sane and even nice. Remember, she knew about Ysengrin's personality, and STILL liked him, and even forgave him for trying to attack her!

If he blows up at her, that'll be shot.   A shame, it seemed like he had a chance at a better path.

[shadow3]

Imagine if the star ocean is all a ruse meant to lure Loup into a trap so that the Court can finally steal the powers of a mighty etheric deity class being.

The experiments with Zimmy, that time Renard was incapacitated despite being an etheric being, and the attempt by the shadow men to capture Coyote's essence can be used as some support for the development of a massive etheric trap.

[manabi]

If Etheric beings really can't travel the ocean and Loup enters it, perhaps that's how it comes about that Annie kills Loup: As a mercy killing, because he's severely wounded by his attempt to cross the ocean and only the knife made from Coyote's tooth can kill him.  I could even see him asking her to do so in that case.

[King Mir]

Aug 31, 2022 7:19:54 GMT madjack said:

Referring to yourself as a separate entity is a bad sign, Loup.

Telling a mad dog he's crazy may not be the best idea.

[SilverbackRon]

Sept 1, 2022 1:51:46 GMT King Mir said:

Aug 31, 2022 7:19:54 GMT madjack said:

Referring to yourself as a separate entity is a bad sign, Loup.

Telling a mad dog he's crazy may not be the best idea.

Nobody calls me mad dog!

[blahzor]

Aug 31, 2022 14:51:54 GMT Sky Schemer said:

I'll admit that I don't get it. He hates The Court. The Court wants to leave.

So. Just let them?

Problem solved.

yeah but he wants to be the reason

[jda]

Brace yourselves. Another "No, I understand" moment is coming...

It seems all of Coyote prophecy here has happened on this last 2 pages or will happen very soon (this chapter):
I mean, if you read Coyote's words exactly he says:

"It will reveal to you... a plan.----	Coyote does not say it is HIS plan, it is Court's
a plan I have had in mind for a long time	Clearly
and when you learn of it, you will agree it is a wonderful plan	Jerrek just thought of it as Court's plan to become God, wo he may say it is wonderful.
and then you will die!"	Loup would like to just discard Jerrek, effectively dying on the process.

So, a big anticlimax, that also leaves room for a future ToothStabbing by Annie.

[todd]

A further thought, stemming from my musings on the Court inspired by Loup's description of them as aspiring to be gods on that new planet. Kat seems to be a better scientist than the Court leadership; she's doing what she does out of a love for science, problem-solving, making new discoveries, etc. The Court leadership, on the other hand, seems to be focused more on power and control, to use the Omega Device to ensure that the future goes the way they want it to, to stay in charge. (I wonder, incidentally, whether the Court's "inner circle" are really full scientists or whether they're mainly administrators who leave the actual science to people outside the circle and simply exploit their products.)

(As a further contrast, while Kat's become the robots' goddess/angel, that isn't her goal, she's barely aware of it and gives scarcely a thought to it - in contrast to the Court leaders, who if they are striving to become gods - though they probably wouldn't use those words for it, would probably claim that they want to do away with gods altogether - do so consciously and intentionally.)

[Isildur]

Aug 31, 2022 7:54:18 GMT Igniz said:

Aug 31, 2022 7:10:48 GMT Ophel said:

The fool Loup is reffering to is clearly Boxbot who's been his über boss this whole time who's always just offscreen.

There, fixed.

In collaboration with Darth Jar Jar, no doubt...