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Post by fia on Aug 27, 2022 19:31:47 GMT
There are so many patently unlikely events that have occurred since the start of Annie's story that I am not sure we can pinpoint which one has made the Omega device inaccurate. It's either as old an event as Robot being rebuilt, as midterm an event as Jeanne being freed (and Smitty not-dying), or as recent an event as Loup being created, attacking the Court, merging the shores of the Annan, splitting Annie in two, Loup kicking out the elves, and Annie rejoining herself.
I mean. If the Omega device predicted most of these things, I tip my hat to the technology that made it!
EDIT: given the Barrier, they must have predicted Loup's attack though
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Post by warrl on Aug 28, 2022 0:53:49 GMT
Wildspec: This journey will take much longer than they think. By the time they arrive, the current leadership will all be dead, and their successors as well, and the new leadership will include Steadman, Diego, Sir Young, and perhaps Jeanne. There will incidentally have been some shift in what the leaders think is happening and what they expect to find.
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Post by laaaa on Aug 28, 2022 6:42:10 GMT
Is the possibility that Janet simply did not feel like going crossing anyone's mind?
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Post by speedwell on Aug 28, 2022 8:22:27 GMT
Is the possibility that Janet simply did not feel like going crossing anyone's mind? Oh, of course it did. Anyone could theoretically refuse, I imagine, and be branded disloyal. For the daughter of the Headmaster to do so openly would be a scandal, though, and Llewellyn would hardly permit it to reflect badly on himself and jeopardise his position in the scheme of things. Just look at how bent out of shape Bud and Lindsey felt he would get if he even guessed she was romantically associated with a boy who we have good reason to believe originated in the Forest. |
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Post by laaaa on Aug 28, 2022 13:29:57 GMT
Is the possibility that Janet simply did not feel like going crossing anyone's mind? Oh, of course it did. Anyone could theoretically refuse, I imagine, and be branded disloyal. For the daughter of the Headmaster to do so openly would be a scandal, though, and Llewellyn would hardly permit it to reflect badly on himself and jeopardise his position in the scheme of things. Just look at how bent out of shape Bud and Lindsey felt he would get if he even guessed she was romantically associated with a boy who we have good reason to believe originated in the Forest. Disloyal to what? It was just an invitation to a non-specific event. She could have homework, or a headache, or just plans to go out with her friends. Maybe she tripped and hurt her knee on the way to the event and had to return home. Why does "specific person does not appear to the event" equal to "not invited because REASONS" instead of "already had an appointment with the dentist"? If Llewellyn was so invested in how his daughter's actions reflect on himself, then he would be speaking to her more and know beforehand that she didn't get an invite instead of finding out via her absence on the pier. I didn't get the impression that Llewellyn keeps such a tight leash on his daughter, more like she censors her own behavior to keep up a good image. |
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Post by speedwell on Aug 28, 2022 19:08:29 GMT
Oh, of course it did. Anyone could theoretically refuse, I imagine, and be branded disloyal. For the daughter of the Headmaster to do so openly would be a scandal, though, and Llewellyn would hardly permit it to reflect badly on himself and jeopardise his position in the scheme of things. Just look at how bent out of shape Bud and Lindsey felt he would get if he even guessed she was romantically associated with a boy who we have good reason to believe originated in the Forest. Disloyal to what? It was just an invitation to a non-specific event. She could have homework, or a headache, or just plans to go out with her friends. Maybe she tripped and hurt her knee on the way to the event and had to return home. Why does "specific person does not appear to the event" equal to "not invited because REASONS" instead of "already had an appointment with the dentist"? If Llewellyn was so invested in how his daughter's actions reflect on himself, then he would be speaking to her more and know beforehand that she didn't get an invite instead of finding out via her absence on the pier. I didn't get the impression that Llewellyn keeps such a tight leash on his daughter, more like she censors her own behavior to keep up a good image. Um, disloyal to the Court's grand plans. No, secretive cabals are not normally in the habit of thinking up reasonable excuses for those of their followers who are not where they are expected to be. You are thinking like a reasonable person, there. |
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 28, 2022 21:41:08 GMT
Hmm, was Omega never perfect, or as someone been tinkering with it? Or have recent etheric events thrown it's predictions way off course? Still think the point of divergence is that Annie survived her fall. Good theory, however this was not the earliest time travel incursion. The Tic-Toc was sitting on the bridge when Annie sent S13 into the Forest, which doesn't seem like much of a change, but already too much for a prediction machine as accurate as the OD is supposed to be. Not to mention that the robots apparently know the Tic-Toc as a "mythical" being that was supposedly older than the Court itself. Could be that Tic-Toc appearances were somehow retroactively added to the past due to future New People (with souls) believing in it and making it real, but there could very well be more time travel in store.
EDIT: And here I stand possibly corrected by the very next page. The Shadow Men at least seem to believe this is the point as well. Still, I stand by my assumption that each appearance of the Tic-Toc must have thrown the predictions off. Without the Tic-Toc, Anja wouldn't have found the warehouse with the Golems in the basement, wouldn't have given Kat the key for her to find the Golems which lead to all kinds of consequences. Yes, Annie not dying and instead being present at the meeting with Coyote afterwards was likely the "worst offender" in terms of changes to the timeline, but the other Tic-Toc appearances must have changed things as well. Unless everything else just so happened to turn out the same way as it did before.
But maybe they simply did not get predictions about the other things that were changed.
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Post by shaihulud on Aug 28, 2022 23:20:46 GMT
I've always kind of assumed that there was always a time loop, and that the seed bismuth was a tic-tok. The divergence in this admittedly questionable theory would be that Kat was successful this time around for some unknown reason.
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Post by blahzor on Aug 29, 2022 3:26:25 GMT
Still think the point of divergence is that Annie survived her fall. Good theory, however this was not the earliest time travel incursion. The Tic-Toc was sitting on the bridge when Annie sent S13 into the Forest, which doesn't seem like much of a change, but already too much for a prediction machine as accurate as the OD is supposed to be. Not to mention that the robots apparently know the Tic-Toc as a "mythical" being that was supposedly older than the Court itself. Could be that Tic-Toc appearances were somehow retroactively added to the past due to future New People (with souls) believing in it and making it real, but there could very well be more time travel in store. Or the robots like everyone else didn't know the origins of the tic tok's except that Kat/angel made it in a you feel the truth of the statement. And because Kat made it this belief is added to her powers |
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Post by Gemminie on Aug 29, 2022 16:25:49 GMT
I suspect that the Court saw a few problems with killing Annie. One would be the prospect of Reynardine being free and going on a body-possessing rampage. (I doubt he'd actually have done that, but the Court would certainly suspect the worst of him.) And, once Coyote took an interest in Annie, the prospect of his getting angry if something dreadful happened to her and retaliating - and no convenient tool to threaten Antony into doing what they wanted him to do, and so on. I would think that the Omega Device would have predicted what Reynard would have done as well, since it was doing just fine based on the prediction that Annie would die from her fall. That would also have freed Reynard. Perhaps the prediction was that James would have killed him – that Reynard would have jumped into Robot, then James would have destroyed Robot, leaving nothing with eyes nearby that Reynard could have jumped into. Maybe that's what happens in the Annie Dies from the Fall timeline. Anytime they wanted to kill Annie, they could have simply locked Renard in a box lined with those anti-Renard wards. They must have made a conscious decision not to kill her. It's possible there was some kind of bureaucratic debate going on that prevented them from doing anything – the "kill her" side vs. the "exile her from the Court" side vs. the "let's wait and see" side vs. the "we're already planning to go to another planet so it doesn't matter" side. |
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