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Post by davidm on Aug 17, 2022 18:32:04 GMT
Honestly, I don't understand why ANYONE would want to make such a one-way trip. You must be a huge misanthrope to want to permanently abandon the biggest part of humanity FOR EVER. Even pioneer explorers and settlers who travelled to unexplored continents knew that a trip back, however difficult, was possible, as well as more people joining in the future. They can make trip back, till they decide they no longer need to. Lots of groups may want something similar, who view themselves as superior and problems of world the result if interference from inferior groups. Eg communists, anarchists, feminists (who today want all female space colonies), religious groups, atheists, etc... if everyone does things their way the world will be a paradise. (Queue John Lenin's imagine song) Xmen movies have people who want to get rid of mutants, in this case it is a nicer we want to go somewhere by ourselves without mutants with no chance of mutants coming later. Star trek wrath of khan had "superior humans" who tried to enslave others and finally were defeated by regular humans. Terminator and other movies have robots exceeding humans and then war. Dune books, movies, miniseries has similar ancient event where thinking machines almost enslaved humanity. Those with special powers in gunnerkrigg court are potentially like gods compared to the rest. Kat comically is allowed on trip when she has one of biggest potentials to become a god/skynet that can choose to completely enslave humanity. Birth of Loup followed by attack on court made big demonstration of risks. Every generation they risk more Loups. if rest of humanity are enslaved, Court will also be if they still have ties to rest of humanity... they hope they can sneak off to some bubble universe safer from those sorts of risks, hopefully ignored or forgotten or the Loup enslaved humanity self destructs before able to enslave them. Coyote started the current planning because Court knew they could not resist coyote if he seriously tried to enslave them or wiped them out. |
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Post by crater on Aug 17, 2022 20:13:06 GMT
Is... is that Elgamore? I'm getting distinc chad vibes from this page
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Post by bedinsis on Aug 17, 2022 20:32:57 GMT
Annie's laser-beam glare at Kat in the third panel speaks volumes, she looks totally disappointed in her. As in, "I can't believe you were thinking of going with them." I read it as her going "Can you believe this guy?". |
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Post by csj on Aug 17, 2022 20:35:34 GMT
Frank Reynolds aata do you realise the horror this will unleash |
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Post by jda on Aug 17, 2022 21:25:51 GMT
Best impression ever. Arizona is like "Yeah, that is harsh" |
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Post by manabi on Aug 17, 2022 21:27:24 GMT
Thanks for all the help. Here's a empty ruined place as your reward. Byyeeeeeeeeeee While they're huge jerks, and probably going to abuse their power over the new world, I doubt the court itself will be ruined. It seems to largely run itself, even growing and expanding on its own. (Remember how Kat's Tictoc started growing down in the Annan Gorge? She made that with the Court's material/technology.) I suspect it'd continue chugging along even if every being inside it vanished. Having friends and loved ones leave with no way to ever contact them again will definitely cause problems for the people left behind. And I wonder what the former forest creatures will do, now that there's no data processing left. I suspect they're going to be hurt the most by this. |
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Post by mordekai on Aug 17, 2022 21:42:32 GMT
Having a Machine Goddess with authority over all robots and amazing reality-warping powers will be of great help when it come to establish a new order... whoever Kat supports will be the boss by default.
I think you're expecting way too much from Kat. She can't just wave her hands and reform the terrain*, unlike a certain mad God who is still in the area. She needs to produce tools for that, which so far have only been shown to work on relatively small areas and only with the weird wood-earth mixture that has covered parts of the Court. These tools need people to operate them... and once someone has one, they can use it without any need for Kat to be around. What else can she do that counts as reality warping? Pull objects from hammerspace - other people can do that too, and she still needs to be in possession of the things first. Assemble stuff automatically - her factory still needs the schematics and raw materials. In the end, from the point of view of the remaining humans, she is a great engineer and operates a highly automatized factory - which, as I might add, is located in a place she does not own, and is certainly not the only place in the Court that can still manufacture goods. Also she's a teenager who hasn't even finished school. Hardly a reality warping Goddess. Definitely not anyone most remaining people would even consider to have a significant opinion on who will lead them. Her greatest asset are the New People, but she's definitely not the type to send them to seize power. Not even considering the fact that with S13 continuing to to do his own "work" in the shadows I wouldn't be sure how many New People would even follow her in case of a conflict. *Not in the undistorted physical world at least. She might be able to in Zimmingham. I didn't mean a literal reality warper, but that she can create tech that breaks the legs of the laws of physics, puts them in a bag and throws then into a river with an anvil tied to their neck... She can equip thousands or robots/new people with shaping staffs, and these could raise buildings at an incredibly fast rate. Also, Kat will probably develop the tech (remember her words, "it's still pretty basic...") and create industrial-sized versions, and versions able to warp the wood-earth stuff into other materials like glass, metal and plastic... (again, remember "brick, concrete, glass, some plastics, anything used in the construction of the buildings had a similar makeup..."). If pressed, I don't think it will take very long for Kat to perfect the tech so she can shape buildings, bridges, sewers, pipes, cabling, machinery...etc. Also, she has access to both her mother's magical computer and Diego's tech, which allows her to manipulate the Ether to some degree, and she's perfecting them very fast... she has quite literally created complex life, and created stuff like the etheric snare (it failed, but, well, Loup has the power of a god...). And even before she got her hands on that, she was already casually creating stuff like anti-gravity field generating engines as an eleven years old brat... she's pretty much like Reed Richards... I'm not saying she can yell "BOW TO YOUR NEW MASTER, MINIONS!!!", and have everybody obey, but if she chooses to support a leader, the advantage in resources and tech she can provide is staggering... At the very least, she probably can provide solutions to keep the infrastructure running. |
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Post by rabbit on Aug 17, 2022 23:41:27 GMT
Aata gets what looks like an iced tea, and Shell gets what looks like a martini <useless trivia> Actually, I think Aata is drinking pint of beer or ale. If you look closely at that glass, you can see an odd bulge near the top of the glass, below the rim. That is a Nonik ("no-nick") glass used by many pubs and bars. The bulge serves two purposes: (1) It helps prevent a glass slippery with condensation from slipping out of the drinker's hand, and (2) if the glass turns over, the bulge prevents the lip of the glass from hitting the bar surface and getting chipped, which is where the name comes from. </useless trivia>
So the second most interesting question after "which side will Kat choose?" is "what kind of beer would Aata be drinking?" (Actually, that question is probably a lot further down the list than #2, but ... mmmmmmm, now rabbit wants a beer.)
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Post by rafk on Aug 18, 2022 5:54:44 GMT
Aata has etheric powers so presumably he was always on the no invite list. Did he not know about this stuff while leading the shadowmen? What was his motive for participation?
I suppose one could intuit he thought that if he successfully removed Coyote, the Court wouldn't need to activate Plan Leave Town. Which leaves the question of what else the Court is achieving that Aata felt worthwhile.
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Post by rafk on Aug 18, 2022 5:59:30 GMT
Taking Coyote at face value is dangerous, but I've never had the feeling that his description of the Court was wrong. I don't think it's a good idea to be a rank and file peon in a new society where the leaders are willing to run away from Earth just so they can be tantamount to Gods in their new domain without any actual godlike beings to contend with. I doubt they would be very benevolent Gods. |
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Post by heranje on Aug 18, 2022 9:36:21 GMT
Aata has etheric powers so presumably he was always on the no invite list. Did he not know about this stuff while leading the shadowmen? What was his motive for participation? I suppose one could intuit he thought that if he successfully removed Coyote, the Court wouldn't need to activate Plan Leave Town. Which leaves the question of what else the Court is achieving that Aata felt worthwhile. Well, Aata is a Bodhisattva. Forsaking the Great Reward to help others achieve it is kind of their whole thing. I think he truly believes a world without the ether is a worthy and important goal, but his etheric nature ironically inclines him to not care about whether he himself achieves that goal. (In Buddhism, a Bodhisattva is a person who has learned how to become enlightened/reach nirvana but chooses not to do it in order to help others achieve enlightenment) |
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Post by yellowb on Aug 18, 2022 10:19:33 GMT
Aata has etheric powers so presumably he was always on the no invite list. Did he not know about this stuff while leading the shadowmen? It seems to me that either a) those in charge didn't know about Aata's powers before he saved Shell, which is what got him kicked out of the program (and the invite list) b) they did know, but had promised Aata he'd be invited anyway, on the condition that he not use his powers (of course, it's likely that this promise was a lie) c) Aata had another motive Edit: regarding option c, see heranje's post above |
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Post by mordekai on Aug 19, 2022 0:20:21 GMT
Aata has etheric powers so presumably he was always on the no invite list. Did he not know about this stuff while leading the shadowmen? What was his motive for participation? I suppose one could intuit he thought that if he successfully removed Coyote, the Court wouldn't need to activate Plan Leave Town. Which leaves the question of what else the Court is achieving that Aata felt worthwhile. Well, Aata is a Bodhisattva. Forsaking the Great Reward to help others achieve it is kind of their whole thing. I think he truly believes a world without the ether is a worthy and important goal, but his etheric nature ironically inclines him to not care about whether he himself achieves that goal. (In Buddhism, a Bodhisattva is a person who has learned how to become enlightened/reach nirvana but chooses not to do it in order to help others achieve enlightenment) The other trait that defines a Bodhisattva is that they won't leave anybody behind; they won't enter Nirvana until everybody else is saved... Aata, who is willing to discard so many people isn't Bodhisattva-like at all... I guess that's one of the reasons he's a failure... |
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Post by drmemory on Aug 28, 2022 7:14:41 GMT
Thanks for all the help. Here's a empty ruined place as your reward. Byyeeeeeeeeeee While they're huge jerks, and probably going to abuse their power over the new world, I doubt the court itself will be ruined. It seems to largely run itself, even growing and expanding on its own. (Remember how Kat's Tictoc started growing down in the Annan Gorge? She made that with the Court's material/technology.) I suspect it'd continue chugging along even if every being inside it vanished. Having friends and loved ones leave with no way to ever contact them again will definitely cause problems for the people left behind. And I wonder what the former forest creatures will do, now that there's no data processing left. I suspect they're going to be hurt the most by this. I always assumed Ysengrin was lying about that, based on the flashback showing he was there, the scheme to have him pick a fight so he could leave seeds in the court, and the fact that he destroyed every trace before it could be examined.
If It really grew, this seems like something Coyote would have caused anyway. We haven't seen any other instances of technology spontaneously putting down roots and growing, that I can remember at least? Did I miss that happening? Remember, Loup thinks technology is dead... as in not alive.
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