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Post by jda on Aug 15, 2022 5:41:25 GMT
The real question is... why would THIS evac of the boooring gray humans trigger Coyote/Loup to die?
I mean, if he has All Annie and fairies and etheric beings for himself, better, right?
Or maybe... Coyote does NEED all humans, specially Booooring ones to FEED the ether with their deaths, so...
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Post by speedwell on Aug 15, 2022 6:39:53 GMT
The real question is... why would THIS evac of the boooring gray humans trigger Coyote/Loup to die? I mean, if he has All Annie and fairies and etheric beings for himself, better, right? Or maybe... Coyote does NEED all humans, specially Booooring ones to FEED the ether with their deaths, so... Every human is not leaving, in any case. |
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Post by Druplesnubb on Aug 15, 2022 11:07:58 GMT
So what's Tony's thoughts on all this? The Court blackmailed him previously over Annie being left out of the program, but now she obviously can't join anyway. Was he lied to, like the headmaster with Janet?
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Post by mordekai on Aug 15, 2022 11:27:36 GMT
Keep in mind that we know the children are brought up calling people from chester (or anyone with powers) "freaks" who don't belong among us normal people. So it might not actually be the hard sell you people are making it out to be. It might be that a lot of the population are actually happy at the thought of purging the population of the freaks. If they don't like etheric "freaks" they could just kick them out of the Court, but what they are actually doing is renouncing Earth, leaving it for the "freaks"... |
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 15, 2022 13:54:25 GMT
Wildspec: Maybe the ether extraction event from Power Station was one of several to prepare for the next cruise. They only take the ship out a short distance 'away' from the ether before returning, so don't need the kind of quantities powering a full-on interplanetary voyage would. Maybe also not a surprise that we saw Jack in every chapter associated with it then. Annie and Kat are discussing what just happened at the meeting right now, but perhaps there are more people there, Janet for example. I wonder if they'll go find Jack and get his view on what's going on, or have already done so. Ooohh yes, I would definitely want to hear Jack's thoughts about all of this, and in general know what he has been up to since his last appearance. Either these people are fools, or they're trying to attract fools onto yet another ethically unsound experiment, and this is all a pack of lies. I think they are liars and hypocrites. They couldn't reach the original goal, so now they simply claim the goal that they believe can be reached was the original one all along. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia. So how will Ysengrin's prediction be fulfilled, with the Court apparently out of the story? Unless this is an idea of Tom's that he later abandoned, that is.... The simplest answer is: it won't, because Ysengrin was simply mistaken. He found out about the plan to leave to another world, but not about who would be taken there. Keep in mind that we know the children are brought up calling people from chester (or anyone with powers) "freaks" who don't belong among us normal people. So it might not actually be the hard sell you people are making it out to be. It might be that a lot of the population are actually happy at the thought of purging the population of the freaks. Unfortunately, the mundanes seem to be the minority here, as Queslett and Thornhill are full of students with a "predetermination for Etheric Sciences" too. Except for Old Man Hyland as a kid, there also hasn't been any incident of a discriminatory attitude against anyone not in Chester. |
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Post by jda on Aug 15, 2022 17:30:04 GMT
So what's Tony's thoughts on all this? The Court blackmailed him previously over Annie being left out of the program, but now she obviously can't join anyway. Was he lied to, like the headmaster with Janet? A pretty good point. I'd say "the heck has Tony been all this chapters while (compressed) Annie(s)&Co. hunt Loup/found a new nation/dig in a live bomb zone??" But then again. Tony. |
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Post by jda on Aug 15, 2022 17:52:43 GMT
Wildspec: Maybe the ether extraction event from Power Station was one of several to prepare for the next cruise. T Either these people are fools, or they're trying to attract fools onto yet another ethically unsound experiment, and this is all a pack of lies. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia. So how will Ysengrin's prediction be fulfilled, with the Court apparently out of the story? Unless this is an idea of Tom's that he later abandoned, that is.... Keep in mind that we know the children are brought up calling people from chester (or anyone with powers) "freaks" who don't belong among us normal people. So it might not actually be the hard sell you people are making it out to be. It might be that a lot of the population are actually happy at the thought of purging the population of the freaks. Unfortunately, the mundanes seem to be the minority here, as Queslett and Thornhill are full of students with a "predetermination for Etheric Sciences" too. UNLESS /wildspec the thing about " No return, One way trip" says to wildspec-me than this NotOcean IS the ship, BUT NOT THE FUEL. THE FUEL FOR INTERPLANETARY VOYAGE IS... A PLANET. meaning that, when all the grey humans go into their little boat AND CLOSE THE WINDOWS SO NO ONE INSIDE CAN PEEK WHAT IS HAPPENNING ON EARTH*, the ships will just siphon all the Ether in the world (or at least a couple hundred miles around) like the Water Station, including the Forest, the Court, ... and all students/adults left behind. That'd fit: - why all the gathering of etheric beings/children in a small spaces and then leaving them mostly unattended,
- keeping the most etheric ones on separate houses so the "normal" children will not befriended them so much,
- the Water Station experiments to syphon the ether of "the very fabric of existence"
- trying to catch Loup/Coyote powers.
The MatrixCourt is a computerhuman generated dream world built to keep us under control in order to change a humanetheric being into this.  *meaning they don't see their friends/colleagues melt/disintegrate while being siphoned out of ether, so they wont feel guilty. No wonder there would be no communication with the Old "abandoned" Court... |
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Post by Isildur on Aug 19, 2022 19:03:49 GMT
And once again the observation is obvious: Everyone depicted at the location besides Kat is obviously an adult. And the entity also speaks to the crowd as if they are all adults ("the cruise you took when you were children" is only, what, two years ago for Kat?). What's up with that? Why were the teens shown saying that some of them got invitations, and now each page carefully makes sure to show there are no other teens beside Kat? Ah, but there was an adult with them... just in the water and not on the ship... who apparently didn't even realize what was happening until Paz jumped into the water to tell her... and then did nothing useful besides smashing a glass roof... while people were under it. Sounds like pure space horror. I like it.
Perhaps this “when you were children” comment suggests that even though each person feels like they are among a crowd listening to a single speaker, the being speaking to them is actually speaking to each of them, individually, through their mind, and people are receiving different, tailor-made messages. I wondered if it was a yearly cruise that has been going on for decades, which the variety provided by each new class providing further data points. Perhaps it also might help alert the court to people who had a previously unrecognized etheric connection. |
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Post by Isildur on Aug 19, 2022 19:35:40 GMT
Just pointing out that New Improved Ether-Free World is not and cannot be the same as the reality we forum posters inhabit... unless, of course, you think Tom is a historian rather than an author of a work of fiction, heh. But besides that, this reality actually does arguably contain observable, explainable things that are often classified, breathlessly, as "paranormal". Don't be fooled; things are either real or they aren't - if you are of the opinion that there is something "outside reality" or supernatural, I contend that your concept of the real and natural is too narrow. It occurs to me that I might be treating this brilliantly fun comic with too much rigidity and not enough proper readerly suspension of disbelief. If that's the case, Tom, I sincerely apologise. Refer to my signature and be amused that the character Ragnar is apparently assigned my precise personality type, INTJ/8w9 (Myers-Briggs, that is, and the enneagram). Of course, but many stories do have a conceit that they secretly happen (wholly or partially) in our world -- or almost our world, because they usually don't account for the story being published/broadcast. E.g. the crossing over into an Earth very much like ours in His Dark Materials, and various "reverse isekai" stories. Sometimes the author even pretends to be passing on to the audience the reports, letters, or memoirs of a real friend or acquaintance (possibly one who wishes to be anonymous); many, many 19th century novel or newspaper serial writers did this. Similarly, "Stargate" had an episode showing it did exist in a world where there was a Stargate TV show (though it was fictionalized, self-spoofingly, as a show called "Wormhole Extreme"). (For the Sherlock Holmes tales, Arthur Conan-Doyle semi-adopted the 'I'm just passing along reports' strategy.) This attempt at making it more plausible to the imagination is sometimes abandoned even though it was a longtime feature of the work -- e.g. with Stargate SG-1, the continuation Brad Wright has pitched to MGM would reportedly have the Stargate program already in the open, and the "Buffy" and "Angel" shows eventually included Earth-shattering events whose absence from our awareness couldn't be explained away with denial-amnesia. |
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Post by drmemory on Aug 20, 2022 4:23:11 GMT
The real question is... why would THIS evac of the boooring gray humans trigger Coyote/Loup to die? I mean, if he has All Annie and fairies and etheric beings for himself, better, right? Or maybe... Coyote does NEED all humans, specially Booooring ones to FEED the ether with their deaths, so... I'm not sure I'd link Coyote's desire to experience death to the whole star ocean/new planet thing. If anything, I'd guess he knew it was coming (not a stretch for one of his power and knowledge!) and integrated it into his plans. However, I could imagine him having an overarching plan that has multiple goals: experience death for himself; let Ysengrin get what he wants and thus learn it isn't what he needs; use Loup to help foil the Court's plans in a way that provides him with ample entertainment. 
I'm also really curious about Coyote's involvement, if any, with Robot's plans and the robot cult, not to mention the history of the robots. I wonder if Coyote had any interaction with Diego? We know for sure they were contemporaneous, as he has talked specifically about being pleased about the court using Jean's soul (simplified) to block crossing the river, and we saw that whole thing from Jean's point of view, as well as Diego's film and death video. So even though we never saw them interact, Diego had to learn stuff about the ether somehow, and they were definitely both around!
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 20, 2022 15:54:42 GMT
The real question is... why would THIS evac of the boooring gray humans trigger Coyote/Loup to die? Who said it would? |
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