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Post by Runningflame on Jul 22, 2022 22:59:56 GMT
Let's see how she got on... Well, it looks like she got on by wading out to the boat and climbing aboard. Dunno what's so mysterious about that. |
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Post by todd on Jul 22, 2022 23:48:22 GMT
yeah, either these have declined the Court-in-exile, which is now sailing away, (though why so many in the water?) OR... more darkly... Omega has hypnotized these and they are robotically wading out to the ship to get on, likely against their will. The latter, darker theory was what first occurred to me (or a version of it). The fact that they're all standing in identical poses, all staring out in the same direction, helped - it makes them look as if they were all in a trance. |
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Post by madjack on Jul 23, 2022 0:32:15 GMT
If not for Kat's dry-looking hair and that of the girl on the bottom right in the last panel I'd be speculating the Court tried to transport all the valuable normies by force and what we're seeing is a handful of people who went over the side and swam back after the last minute. Had a brainwave and I'm going to disagree: Whatever was done to them to cause this happened immediately, none of them expected it, and they've been there for a while. They've been standing there since low tide, and it's on its way in. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 23, 2022 7:20:38 GMT
There are some upsides to this. The most posh digs in the Court are likely all abandoned now. IT'S FREE REAL ESTATE. Those from the Court who stayed behind are probably too few to keep things going by themselves but they could make arrangements with the Wood elves; they could offer to keep the water purification plant and the electrical grid up in exchange for whatever support they'd need doing so. The elves would probably go for that now but even more so if they were invited to settle in better places. The etheric-enabled Court protectors are still here (probably) so there's incentive for an understanding of mutual protection in their new territories. There will probably be all sorts of abandoned vehicles and other property hanging around. Elves will need driving lessons. Not sure how the Court got its food but imports will stop if they haven't already, so farms will have to be repeopled and/or established. Maybe grow corn for ethanol to keep the vehicles going? Lots of fun stuff to do.
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Post by blahzor on Jul 23, 2022 7:31:08 GMT
To think this entire chapter was just for us to learn how the big wigs at the Court fish off a boat |
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Post by novia on Jul 23, 2022 14:54:14 GMT
fun detail: panel 5 shows Annie's fingerprint on the moon
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Post by laaaa on Jul 23, 2022 18:19:05 GMT
I-I-I-I-I'm worried this might be a different kind of snare...
...in Annie's shoes, I'd get the impulse to run towards the crowd to make sure Kat is alright...
...and remember Ysegryn's warning: "They plan to take you far, far away..."
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Post by laaaa on Jul 23, 2022 18:20:50 GMT
Or what if everyone who didn't want to go was taken against their will and the Court left soulless fake copies behind?!?!?!
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Post by warrl on Jul 23, 2022 21:08:06 GMT
I could see Kat landing in a category of "too etheric to take with, too Court-tech to leave behind."
Which would explain why this bunch seems to be walking into the sea.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 23, 2022 22:58:53 GMT
Yep, it's Kat, standing amidst a bunch of life-sized plastic statues.
Do they have to go to Valinor on foot? Harsh.
Robot will be really annoyed when he finds out about this! Won't he? Perhaps until he realizes that now he can finally make up whatever he wants about what the Angel's words are, because the actual Angel won't be there to contradict him any more.
Ohhh that's not good. Well maybe we'll see Robot intervene here. Kat's work isn't done; he still needs her. Does he, though? The technology to continue the mind transfer exists, enough NPs to serve as a workforce who already do what he tells them exist as well, and with the Court officials having left they can probably even plunder parts of the court for raw materials. Unless Kat has hidden her designs and made sure nothing is able to be reverse engineered, I believe he could carry on without her. And since we have already seen workers state that a particular part was needed for maintenance, it seems the Golems and NPs, or some of them, have learned how the machines for their big project are designed. |
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Post by saardvark on Jul 23, 2022 23:38:13 GMT
If not for Kat's dry-looking hair and that of the girl on the bottom right in the last panel I'd be speculating the Court tried to transport all the valuable normies by force and what we're seeing is a handful of people who went over the side and swam back after the last minute. Had a brainwave and I'm going to disagree: Whatever was done to them to cause this happened immediately, none of them expected it, and they've been there for a while. They've been standing there since low tide, and it's on its way in. Interesting idea. Perhaps at the beach meeting there was a heated argument ("you can't go" or "you can't force us" or... something) and the Court-leavers pulled a trick on the objectors (maybe with Omega power) and froze them on the beach to ease their getaway. Now the tide is coming in to dampen some of the objectors.... can Rey and Annie wake them? |
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Post by drmemory on Jul 24, 2022 0:53:35 GMT
Yep, it's Kat, standing amidst a bunch of life-sized plastic statues. Ohhh that's not good. Well maybe we'll see Robot intervene here. Kat's work isn't done; he still needs her. Does he, though? The technology to continue the mind transfer exists, enough NPs to serve as a workforce who already do what he tells them exist as well, and with the Court officials having left they can probably even plunder parts of the court for raw materials. Unless Kat has hidden her designs and made sure nothing is able to be reverse engineered, I believe he could carry on without her. And since we have already seen workers state that a particular part was needed for maintenance, it seems the Golems and NPs, or some of them, have learned how the machines for their big project are designed. I only said that because he went to the trouble of including her in his deal with Loup. I figure he needs her at minimum as a figurehead, and very possibly because he hasn't run out of future knowledge and she is still in it, with a role yet to play.
On a related note, I hope my paranoid theories are providing Tom with some entertainment.  |
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Post by drmemory on Jul 24, 2022 5:52:06 GMT
The only plot-thread I can think of that might apply here is "Why does the court think they need a large amount of ether energy?". Perhaps we're about to find out. Wildspec: Court now knows where Loup is hiding now due to their agreement with Robot, and is about to take his energy to fuel transportation for the pure humans, or at least the ones who don't want to go voluntarily. Even I think this one is a stretch though. |
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Post by arf on Jul 24, 2022 8:49:00 GMT
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 24, 2022 11:33:25 GMT
Yep, it's Kat, standing amidst a bunch of life-sized plastic statues. Does he, though? The technology to continue the mind transfer exists, enough NPs to serve as a workforce who already do what he tells them exist as well, and with the Court officials having left they can probably even plunder parts of the court for raw materials. Unless Kat has hidden her designs and made sure nothing is able to be reverse engineered, I believe he could carry on without her. And since we have already seen workers state that a particular part was needed for maintenance, it seems the Golems and NPs, or some of them, have learned how the machines for their big project are designed.
I only said that because he went to the trouble of including her in his deal with Loup. I figure he needs her at minimum as a figurehead, and very possibly because he hasn't run out of future knowledge and she is still in it, with a role yet to play.
On a related note, I hope my paranoid theories are providing Tom with some entertainment. Ah, but he didn't include Kat in his deal.  S13 asked Loup to "not interfere with our work, or the work of the Angel", and to "not harm any of the newly awakened", followed by explicitly allowing him to do as he wishes with everyone else. I bet you 1000 quatloos that S13 is fully ready to carry on the work of the Angel at this point, should the Angel disappear for some reason. Which also gives him a good reason to keep an immortal robot body, because who knows how long it will take. |
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Post by foxurus on Jul 24, 2022 17:07:00 GMT
It's the identical poses that are making me the most nervous. There aren't very many people at this meeting are there? Edit: Counting 21 silhouettes. Both shots we get are very tightly cropped, I don't think we can say how many people there are. |
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Post by drmemory on Jul 24, 2022 18:19:10 GMT
I only said that because he went to the trouble of including her in his deal with Loup. I figure he needs her at minimum as a figurehead, and very possibly because he hasn't run out of future knowledge and she is still in it, with a role yet to play.
On a related note, I hope my paranoid theories are providing Tom with some entertainment. Ah, but he didn't include Kat in his deal. S13 asked Loup to "not interfere with our work, or the work of the Angel", and to "not harm any of the newly awakened", followed by explicitly allowing him to do as he wishes with everyone else. I bet you 1000 quatloos that S13 is fully ready to carry on the work of the Angel at this point, should the Angel disappear for some reason. Which also gives him a good reason to keep an immortal robot body, because who knows how long it will take. So you're suggesting that the "work of the Angel" is separate from "the Angel" at this point. Hmmm. I have to admit, I interpret it differently, as not interfering with the Angel doing her work, which would require her to be alive and unmolested. Your interpretation requires too much common context, between the inhuman robot and the forest wolf god. You don't play word games with forest wolf gods, man! Be clear or you get what you get.
Also, note that there are no consequences stated for breaking the agreement. We know if Robot breaks it, Loup will frenzy and kill things. What will happen if Loup breaks it? Making the agreement limited and clear to both parties seems like a good plan if you want to avoid possible horrible consequences. Loup could probably commit mass murder without too much effort, or even destroy the court entirely. What can Robot do? Tell where he was hiding?
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jul 24, 2022 19:10:32 GMT
Extremely unlikely:
"Dangit Bobby, take that wig off; you look like a main character."
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Unlikely:
"So, we all stand here until Carver gets here, then what?"
"I dunno, I thought you knew."
"I thought the idea at the meeting was, she gets here, gets freaked out, and runs down here."
"And then what? We grab her?"
"Shush, shush. Shut up, I think she's here."
"That's what you said five minutes ago."
"Do I still have to wear this Kat Donlan wig, or?"
"Shhhhh!"
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More likely:
They're waiting for the escape boat to New Gunnerkrigg, or saying goodbye to the boat.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 25, 2022 22:10:34 GMT
Ah, but he didn't include Kat in his deal. S13 asked Loup to "not interfere with our work, or the work of the Angel", and to "not harm any of the newly awakened", followed by explicitly allowing him to do as he wishes with everyone else. I bet you 1000 quatloos that S13 is fully ready to carry on the work of the Angel at this point, should the Angel disappear for some reason. Which also gives him a good reason to keep an immortal robot body, because who knows how long it will take. So you're suggesting that the "work of the Angel" is separate from "the Angel" at this point. Hmmm. I have to admit, I interpret it differently, as not interfering with the Angel doing her work, which would require her to be alive and unmolested. Your interpretation requires too much common context, between the inhuman robot and the forest wolf god. You don't play word games with forest wolf gods, man! Be clear or you get what you get. That is indeed what I am suggesting. As we know, S13 has been manipulating Kat and pushing her work into a particular direction for a long time. Her skills are necessary for his goals, but at some point he should have everything he needs to finish it. He certainly doesn't need her around to say things, since he has been twisting and misinterpreting everything she said for his purposes anyway. So it would be convenient if he can just outright invent what she said. You're right, though, Loup does not have those insights we as readers have. I wonder, though, does S13 have the same insights about Loup that we have? I certainly did not mean to suggest that he wants Kat out of the way. Just that her survival does not have the highest priority to him. I can't think of anything else S13 could do against Loup, unless he has some yet unknown ace in the hole. Yes, Loup could just destroy everything, but I doubt he really wants to do that. Don't forget he is still hoping for his "beloved" Fire Head Girl to come and live with him. The more he puts her friends into danger, the less inclined she will be... |
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Post by drmemory on Jul 26, 2022 4:28:27 GMT
I can't think of anything else S13 could do against Loup, unless he has some yet unknown ace in the hole. Yes, Loup could just destroy everything, but I doubt he really wants to do that. Don't forget he is still hoping for his "beloved" Fire Head Girl to come and live with him. The more he puts her friends into danger, the less inclined she will be... Heh. That leads down another rabbit hole I have been resisting until now. We know that Diego knows stuff about the ether. He made all those golems that had no robotic parts and were powered by the ether! What else did he know? Did he have powers himself? If he couldn't at least access the ether and use it to build and power things, how did he get that done?
I'm suggesting that S13 may have a surprising amount of knowledge about the ether, handed down from Diego one way or another, and possibly even powers we haven't seen to this point.
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S13 asked Loup to "not interfere with our work, or the work of the Angel", and to "not harm any of the newly awakened", followed by explicitly allowing him to do as he wishes with everyone else. I bet you 1000 quatloos that S13 is fully ready to carry on the work of the Angel at this point, should the Angel disappear for some reason. Which also gives him a good reason to keep an immortal robot body, because who knows how long it will take.
