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Post by jda on Jul 20, 2022 7:02:54 GMT
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Post by stef1987 on Jul 20, 2022 7:04:29 GMT
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Post by flowsthead on Jul 20, 2022 7:05:04 GMT
Welp, if there was ever any doubt on Robot's full turn to villainy...I guess this could always turn out to be a ruse and another trap, but I think that's unlikely.
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Post by jda on Jul 20, 2022 7:08:24 GMT
Welp, if there was ever any doubt on Robot's full turn to villainy...I guess this could always turn out to be a ruse and another trap, but I think that's unlikely. I see this not as full-villainy mode, but as to Zealothist mode: my cause is so sacred that I not only endanger myself but cut the losses for anything not in my hand to "help" (humans) even if that means making a deal with a literal devil. |
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Post by madjack on Jul 20, 2022 7:24:44 GMT
We don't know if Loup is bound by his promises like Coyote was, do we? If he is, the NPs could capture him right there and then and there wouldn't be anything he could do about it. On the other hand, Annie describes him as having no limits and given what we've seen of his whimsical behaviour so far, he probably could go back on his word if he really felt like it. |
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Post by blahzor on Jul 20, 2022 7:38:10 GMT
Welp, if there was ever any doubt on Robot's full turn to villainy...I guess this could always turn out to be a ruse and another trap, but I think that's unlikely. I see this not as full-villainy mode, but as to Zealothist mode: my cause is so sacred that I not only endanger myself but cut the losses for anything not in my hand to "help" (humans) even if that means making a deal with a literal devil. Zealots aren't all evil? |
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Post by jda on Jul 20, 2022 7:39:01 GMT
Eyes of evil?  |
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Post by arf on Jul 20, 2022 7:41:07 GMT
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Post by Sky Schemer on Jul 20, 2022 7:53:27 GMT
Welp, if there was ever any doubt on Robot's full turn to villainy...I guess this could always turn out to be a ruse and another trap, but I think that's unlikely. He's just proving himself the zealot we all knew he was. FWIW, no one is in any more danger than they were before. Loup was going to do what he wanted to do, but now he's agreed to not mess with Kat and the awakened robots. Assuming he holds up his end of the bargain, which...well, it's Loup. Loup continues to demonstrate that he is nowhere near as clever as he thinks he is. Robot continues to demonstrate that there is no one more dangerous than a True Believer. |
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Post by flowsthead on Jul 20, 2022 8:06:06 GMT
Welp, if there was ever any doubt on Robot's full turn to villainy...I guess this could always turn out to be a ruse and another trap, but I think that's unlikely. He's just proving himself the zealot we all knew he was. FWIW, no one is in any more danger than they were before. Loup was going to do what he wanted to do, but now he's agreed to not mess with Kat and the awakened robots. Assuming he holds up his end of the bargain, which...well, it's Loup. Loup continues to demonstrate that he is nowhere near as clever as he thinks he is. Robot continues to demonstrate that there is no one more dangerous than a True Believer. There's a difference between: "Kat and Robot-kind are the most important things to me" and "Kat and Robot-kind are the only things important to me, do whatever you like to everyone else." Ostensibly, Robot has been a friend to Annie at least, and on friendly terms with Parley, Andrew, and Renard, and also probably Paz. Even if we could credibly argue that this shift happened a long time ago, this is that shift made explicit. |
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Post by Eily on Jul 20, 2022 8:50:56 GMT
So, not only weren't Robot's actions about Shadow, but he didn't even include him in his deal?
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Post by jda on Jul 20, 2022 8:58:12 GMT
So, not only weren't Robot's actions about Shadow, but he didn't even include him in his deal? Way to forget about your loved one, Mr. Robot... |
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Jul 20, 2022 9:48:08 GMT
So, not only weren't Robot's actions about Shadow, but he didn't even include him in his deal? This is the only straw I hold on to, to think this is somehow a trap, maybe set up completely alone by Robot to trap Loup at a later point. He wouldn't throw everyone under the bus like that... |
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Post by Georgie L on Jul 20, 2022 9:55:07 GMT
I see this not as full-villainy mode, but as to Zealothist mode: my cause is so sacred that I not only endanger myself but cut the losses for anything not in my hand to "help" (humans) even if that means making a deal with a literal devil. Zealots aren't all evil? Arguably no, they're just laser-guides focus on their cause |
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Post by mavis on Jul 20, 2022 11:24:41 GMT
Is there a chance that Robot is lying?
He's managed to convince Loup he isn't a threat, so there's no benefit and only risk in Loup destroying Robot.
But he's also confirmed his suspicion that Jerrek is Loup, so will he now tell Kat what he has uncovered?
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 20, 2022 11:30:09 GMT
Anyone else, including his "mommy" Annie, his Angel Kat, and his beloved Shadow 2. Harsh.
On an aesthetic note, I continue to enjoy Loup's werewolf design! I never really got into the full coywolf body, it looked too much like a pokémon style mashup between Coyote and Ysengrin. "Jerrek" and the werewolf body though finally make him look like his own character.
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Post by Per on Jul 20, 2022 11:42:13 GMT
"Also, morph into my Sonic OC one more time and I'll end you"
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Post by laaaa on Jul 20, 2022 12:05:11 GMT
Oh!
Robot...
...YOU FORGOT TO INCLUDE SHADOW.
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Post by najmniejszy on Jul 20, 2022 12:07:59 GMT
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Post by pylgrimm on Jul 20, 2022 12:17:41 GMT
Really not sure that this is any descent into villainy or even amorality for Robot. Before this conversation, Loup was "going to do as he wishes" with everybody in the Court. Now he's going to do as he wishes only with a smaller group of people. Could have Robot asked for more and save more? Maybe, but he was bargaining with nothing but his knowledge of Loup's identity, which meant that the bargain could be ended unilaterally by Loup simply by destroying Robot as he was clearly ready to do. Robot's demands needed to appear relatively trivial and throwing a cold "do what you want with the rest" piqued Loup's sense of mischievousness, which made him agree to a deal he didn't need to.
Also, it may be a trap: if this agreement is binding at the Ethereal level because of Loup's nature, his plans could be foiled by the awakened girl's developing feelings for his humanoid persona. Breaking her heart may constitute "harm" and Loup's identity may be revealed automatically by some magical mechanism of clause-breach enforcement.
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Post by Timberwere on Jul 20, 2022 12:50:43 GMT
Is it just me, or does "do not harm any of the newly awakened" also exclude Kat, since she is not newly awakened?
If so, not including the Angel would be a whole dimension colder than not caring about his friends and Shadow.
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Post by todd on Jul 20, 2022 13:00:46 GMT
Robot may have learned from the Court. The Court were willing to sacrifice anyone or anything for the sake of continuing with their "Great Work" (murdering Jeanne and her lover, deceiving Reynardine, coercing Anthony, etc.). Now Robot's showing the same approach towards the "New People Project", sacrificing everyone and everything else for it.
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Post by maxptc on Jul 20, 2022 13:43:18 GMT
I still don't think making Loup aware you know his secret is the best way to protect the new people. Robot must either trust Loups word more then me or he has a plan.
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Post by pylgrimm on Jul 20, 2022 13:53:09 GMT
Is it just me, or does "do not harm any of the newly awakened" also exclude Kat, since she is not newly awakened? If so, not including the Angel would be a whole dimension colder than not caring about his friends and Shadow. He did include her in the previous page. |
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Post by csj on Jul 20, 2022 14:03:46 GMT
remember when robot was physically and mentally abused by the court and almost killed annie
good times
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Post by wlerin on Jul 20, 2022 14:27:35 GMT
Remember, this is Loup he's dealing with. Adding too many conditions to the bargain risks its rejection. Particularly if Loup feels he has a right to mess with whoever Robot wants protected (e.g. Annie or Shadow). How will Loup feel about this bargain when Reynard becomes one of the newly awakened? |
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Post by yellowb on Jul 20, 2022 14:30:15 GMT
Also, it may be a trap: if this agreement is binding at the Ethereal level because of Loup's nature, his plans could be foiled by the awakened girl's developing feelings for his humanoid persona. Breaking her heart may constitute "harm" and Loup's identity may be revealed automatically by some magical mechanism of clause-breach enforcement. I really hope something like that is the case. |
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Post by Gemminie on Jul 20, 2022 14:49:38 GMT
After Robot asks him not to interfere with the robots'/New People's work or the work of "the Angel," Loup considers. He realizes and says that their work is none of his business. So Robot asks him not to harm any of the "newly awakened" (this could be yet another name for them, I suppose).
Then, in a separate panel in which we focus on his eyes, Robot says that Loup can do what he wants with anyone else. Of course, who is Robot to deny Loup anything? But within the context, he means that he won't tell anyone that Jerrek is Loup and will even help Jerrek conceal his identity, as long as Loup doesn't break the deal by harming any of the New People or interfering with the project. Just don't break the deal and it all goes smoothly.
Loup, becoming more humanoid again, smiles maniacally and refers to Robot's face as a mask. This, of course, makes me wonder about the speculation that others have already put forth that Robot contains some vestige of Diego, lying hidden for all these years. But Loup returns to Jerrek form and accepts Robots proposal. And Robot just stands there smiling.
About the speculation that Robot could actually be Diego – well, from what we know, Diego's original golems built their successors, the first series of robots, after Diego's death, and after that the robots built other robots, but some remnant of the golems' original programming lives on in all robots, as we know from "She died and we did nothing." It appears that the Seraphs may be among that first series, built by the S1 golem as its successors. When Kat put Robot's CPU into S1, all the golems put on a "puppet show" that wasn't conscious but may indicate that Diego may have placed some part of himself into the golems. And S1 was cast as Diego in that little melodrama, so perhaps S1 was the focus of Diego's plan. Maybe when Robot's CPU was in S1, some part of that vestige of Diego was copied into the CPU. Robot's behavior did change after that – although long before then he had already acted strangely enough for the other Seraphs to have him disassembled, so that explanation has flaws.
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Post by rabbit on Jul 20, 2022 14:57:58 GMT
remember when robot was physically and mentally abused by the court and almost killed annie good times The Court certainly turned Robot's body into paper clips and kept his CPU for study, but I think it was the Forest that was the cause of him almost killing Annie? |
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Post by rabbit on Jul 20, 2022 15:00:24 GMT
Is it just me, or does "do not harm any of the newly awakened" also exclude Kat, since she is not newly awakened? If so, not including the Angel would be a whole dimension colder than not caring about his friends and Shadow. He did include her in the previous page. Yes, Robot did ask Loup not to interfere in the work of the Angel. What happens when Loup finds out the first attempt to snare him was the work of the Angel? |
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