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Post by madjack on Jul 18, 2022 7:10:10 GMT
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Post by bicarbonat on Jul 18, 2022 7:14:09 GMT
I hate* how much Robbie in panel 1 reminds me of Diego. The lines reminiscent of the wire arms of glasses, the absolutely expressionless circles at the eyes. And of course, the not giving a damn as long as his interests are preserved.
Robbie's also neatly placed himself above everyone, including the "Angel," by throwing under the bus her best friend and all of the other causes she holds dear for the sake of the one that he prioritizes.
There's a remote arrogance that feels very Diego-like, making decisions in the shadows and then stubbornly doing the confused Pikachu face at the end like a martyr when people are disgusted with him.
*: in-fiction, obviously
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 18, 2022 7:19:01 GMT
I strongly question the accuracy of the "if I turn up dead... you will be found out shortly after" bit. Not sure why Jerrek would be the prime suspect unless Robot can or has left some sort of clue or communication, and in any case "Loup" could make Robot disappear altogether... or make some sort of ruse or substitution. However as a negotiation tactic it makes "Loup" stop and ponder for a moment, which lets Robot propose another (arguably less risky) path. I figure safest thing for "Loup" to do would be call his bluff and just eat him quickly. He could ponder how to replace Robot or otherwise explain his absence in a leisurely manner during his walk back to wherever he's going... not that I think "Loup" will do that, he's probably intrigued at this point. [edit] Also, is it just me or is Robot implying that as long as Kat and The Work goes unimpeded he isn't worried about what happens to Mommy Antimony? Sure, it's unlikely that "Loup" would kill her or hurt her physically, but still... [/edit] |
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Post by shinkaii on Jul 18, 2022 7:20:13 GMT
Not gonna lie, my Internet poisoned brain spend a few second looking for the loss in Robot's eyes on panel one.
Also, their work and Angel's work? I'm really curious to see what Robot and his wierd Seraph cult is up to.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Jul 18, 2022 7:29:38 GMT
I strongly question the accuracy of the "if I turn up dead... you will be found out shortly after" bit. Not sure why Jerrek would be the prime suspect unless Robot can or has left some sort of clue or communication, and in any case "Loup" could make Robot disappear altogether... or make some sort of ruse or substitution. Same. Jerrek, out of breath, entering camp: "Everyone, help! I was walking past those buildings when I heard a huge commotion, and when I looked around the corner, I saw Loup devouring Robot! Loup must've accidentaly run into him while he was trying to escape the Court! I'm afraid Robot is completely lost!!!" Everyone: "Ah shucks, yeah, that sounds like something Loup would do. Thank god you weren't noticed, Jerrek, or you might've suffered the same fate!" |
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Post by foxurus on Jul 18, 2022 7:58:32 GMT
I hate* how much Robbie in panel 1 reminds me of Diego. The lines reminiscent of the wire arms of glasses, the absolutely expressionless circles at the eyes. And of course, the not giving a damn as long as his interests are preserved. Robbie's also neatly placed himself above everyone, including the "Angel," by throwing under the bus her best friend and all of the other causes she holds dear for the sake of the one that he prioritizes. There's a remote arrogance that feels very Diego-like, making decisions in the shadows and then stubbornly doing the confused Pikachu face at the end like a martyr when people are disgusted with him. *: in-fiction, obviouslyOh wow. I didn't catch how much he looks like Diego in the first panel but you are absolutely correct. Chilling. When did Robot stop caring about Annie? I imagine we've been shown this lack of concern before, but I don't remember. |
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Post by stef1987 on Jul 18, 2022 8:51:06 GMT
Oh well, a much less ill-intended bargain from robot than expected!
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Post by arf on Jul 18, 2022 8:59:02 GMT
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 18, 2022 9:40:09 GMT
When did Robot stop caring about Annie? I imagine we've been shown this lack of concern before, but I don't remember. I guess Kat started supplanting Antimony in Robot's affections in Ch. 12. Thinking back on it, Antimony wasn't a great mommy by human standards. In giving him a choice instead of instructions she probably wasn't great by robot standards either. By getting him to someone who would take care of his needs and otherwise leaving him to his own devices I guess she was okay by Anthony Carver standards, though. |
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Post by blahzor on Jul 18, 2022 9:46:04 GMT
Do not interrupt us making someone more powerful than you. Thank you very much goodbye
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Post by Georgie L on Jul 18, 2022 9:50:52 GMT
I strongly question the accuracy of the "if I turn up dead... you will be found out shortly after" bit. [/edit] Well, he is a robot with cameras for eyes still, mostly, so he could literally film it and then upload it as irrefutable proof |
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Post by blahzor on Jul 18, 2022 9:51:53 GMT
I hate* how much Robbie in panel 1 reminds me of Diego. The lines reminiscent of the wire arms of glasses, the absolutely expressionless circles at the eyes. And of course, the not giving a damn as long as his interests are preserved. Robbie's also neatly placed himself above everyone, including the "Angel," by throwing under the bus her best friend and all of the other causes she holds dear for the sake of the one that he prioritizes. There's a remote arrogance that feels very Diego-like, making decisions in the shadows and then stubbornly doing the confused Pikachu face at the end like a martyr when people are disgusted with him. *: in-fiction, obviouslyOh wow. I didn't catch how much he looks like Diego in the first panel but you are absolutely correct. Chilling. When did Robot stop caring about Annie? I imagine we've been shown this lack of concern before, but I don't remember. People tend to hate their mothers sometimes. Also who knows what Court Annie was like with him while they were split |
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Post by madjack on Jul 18, 2022 11:00:36 GMT
Goddammit 4 hours later realise that 'stand your ground' would have been the perfect opening post text.
Too late to edit now.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 18, 2022 11:26:40 GMT
I hate* how much Robbie in panel 1 reminds me of Diego. The lines reminiscent of the wire arms of glasses, the absolutely expressionless circles at the eyes. And of course, the not giving a damn as long as his interests are preserved. [...] *: in-fiction, obviously How long until somebody asks "Robot... what part did you play in all this?"? I strongly question the accuracy of the "if I turn up dead... you will be found out shortly after" bit. Not sure why Jerrek would be the prime suspect unless Robot can or has left some sort of clue or communication, and in any case "Loup" could make Robot disappear altogether... or make some sort of ruse or substitution. However as a negotiation tactic it makes "Loup" stop and ponder for a moment, which lets Robot propose another (arguably less risky) path. I figure safest thing for "Loup" to do would be call his bluff and just eat him quickly. He could ponder how to replace Robot or otherwise explain his absence in a leisurely manner during his walk back to wherever he's going... not that I think "Loup" will do that, he's probably intrigued at this point. S13 disappears or turns up ripped into pieces -> quite obviously Loup's doing -> why would he do that, since S13 never took any action against him so far? -> S13 must have found him out -> what has S13 been concerned with in the past weeks? -> NP conversion and not much else -> so it is very likely Loup poses as an NP since that kind kind of disguise has a probability of being found out by S13 We haven't seen any evidence so far that Loup is able to create a convincing fake version of anyone but himself. |
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Post by davidm on Jul 18, 2022 12:54:30 GMT
He confronted Loup, knowing what Loup could destroy him. He is a robot. He likely left behind as much of himself as he could so Kat could make another copy if he got destroyed, and enough info to know who destroyed him, including likely arranging cameras recording the conversation with Jerrek. "reminds me of Diego" He had a special extra chip on his CPU long ago that could have been made directly by Diego to finish his work.
He isn't just going to keep Jerreks secret but help him, which likely means he will try to get help from Jerrek in return.
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Post by todd on Jul 18, 2022 13:06:31 GMT
Robot seems to be overlooking here (though he probably doesn't know as much about the situation as we do) that Loup knows that the Court is doing *something* which endangers the Forest (and presumably the rest of the etheric world), but he doesn't know exactly what it is. From that perspective (especially with a mentality like his) the solution would seem to be "destroy the entire Court", to make certain he's disposed of the project. For all that he knows, Kat's "New People" project could be what's causing the damage (and a few readers have even speculated on that in the forums - particularly the scene where Loup said that Reynardine was near the source of the trouble - at a point when he was in Kat's laboratory).
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Post by stef1987 on Jul 18, 2022 13:33:49 GMT
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 18, 2022 13:49:01 GMT
I hate* how much Robbie in panel 1 reminds me of Diego. The lines reminiscent of the wire arms of glasses, the absolutely expressionless circles at the eyes. And of course, the not giving a damn as long as his interests are preserved. Robbie's also neatly placed himself above everyone, including the "Angel," by throwing under the bus her best friend and all of the other causes she holds dear for the sake of the one that he prioritizes. There's a remote arrogance that feels very Diego-like, making decisions in the shadows and then stubbornly doing the confused Pikachu face at the end like a martyr when people are disgusted with him. *: in-fiction, obviouslyI can only see Diego now, when I look at Robot. I'm surprised I hadn't seen it before. Gives me the jibblies. Could Diego have imprinted a version of himself on a Seraph? Could that be what makes S13 so different? |
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 18, 2022 14:56:41 GMT
Most certainly it's S13's choice of how his avatar looks like. If Kat is the Angel, why does S13 need to make himself look like an angel to the robots in transition as well? Adherents of the big monotheistic religions would not approve of their clerics to dress up as their God.
On the other hand, many real world religions include or have included its priests and priestesses dressing up as the Divine beings they worship. So whether one finds it strange or presumptuous for a priest to costume as the being he claims to worship might just be a question of the culture one grew up in.
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Post by Georgie L on Jul 18, 2022 14:58:39 GMT
Like, they're LITERALLY a robot, they have got cameras for eyes, and wi-fi connection, they could live stream the conversation if they wanted to
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Post by Georgie L on Jul 18, 2022 15:02:57 GMT
I hate* how much Robbie in panel 1 reminds me of Diego. The lines reminiscent of the wire arms of glasses, the absolutely expressionless circles at the eyes. And of course, the not giving a damn as long as his interests are preserved. Robbie's also neatly placed himself above everyone, including the "Angel," by throwing under the bus her best friend and all of the other causes she holds dear for the sake of the one that he prioritizes. There's a remote arrogance that feels very Diego-like, making decisions in the shadows and then stubbornly doing the confused Pikachu face at the end like a martyr when people are disgusted with him. *: in-fiction, obviouslyI can only see Diego now, when I look at Robot. I'm surprised I hadn't seen it before. Gives me the jibblies. Could Diego have imprinted a version of himself on a Seraph? Could that be what makes S13 so different? Oh god, I hope not. That would suck |
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Post by Fishy on Jul 18, 2022 15:35:02 GMT
Sort of a neat detail, comparing this page to the last and it looks like Loup is gradually shrinking over the course of this convo'. Like he's been poked and all the air's being let out.
I also think that Loup COULD easily destroy Robot and make up a convincing story for it, but Robot's so much better at rational thinking. Loup's mind is going "Crap, I'm found out, gotta destroy" to "Crap, he's right, I'd need to think of something," to "Oh, he's offering me an out," with no time inbetween for him to think up his own solution. Loup COULD figure something out, but in the heat of the moment with Robot offering to keep quiet, it's so much easier to just let it go and not devote any deeper thought to it. This is the sort of thing that, if he were human, Loup would be kicking himself over in the shower later.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 18, 2022 16:04:18 GMT
We haven't seen any evidence so far that Loup is able to create a convincing fake version of anyone but himself. That by itself would be enough. Jerrek et al could watch in horror as "Loup" ran by with Robot's remains in his mouth. Alibi established. |
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Post by bicarbonat on Jul 18, 2022 16:55:02 GMT
I hate* how much Robbie in panel 1 reminds me of Diego. The lines reminiscent of the wire arms of glasses, the absolutely expressionless circles at the eyes. And of course, the not giving a damn as long as his interests are preserved. [...] *: in-fiction, obviouslyI can only see Diego now, when I look at Robot. I'm surprised I hadn't seen it before. Gives me the jibblies. Could Diego have imprinted a version of himself on a Seraph? Could that be what makes S13 so different? Imagine if Robbie started taking his body mods upon himself sans the Angel, only to emerge looking like goddamn Diego. Something about that is very 'Animal Farm'. |
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Post by Gemminie on Jul 18, 2022 17:06:54 GMT
Loup could already have crushed Robot, but he didn't – most likely he was doing that intimidating posturing thing that the Court noticed Ysengrin doing so long ago. Robot only needed long enough to say what he was going to say, which is that if he turned up dead or missing, there would be investigations.
He goes on to say that he won't reveal Loup's Jerrek disguise. Loup seems confused by this. Robot explains that he doesn't care what Loup is up to, as long as he doesn't interfere with "our work, or the work of the Angel." By that I assume he means the recovery of CPUs and the transfer of robots to New People bodies.
This isn't much of a deal – Robot will help Loup maintain his Jerrek disguise, and Loup stays out of the way of Project: New People. But then, all Robot is asking is for Loup to not interfere, and it's easy enough not to do something. Will Loup agree?
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Post by shadow3 on Jul 18, 2022 20:59:13 GMT
Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer.
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Post by maxptc on Jul 18, 2022 23:29:48 GMT
Okay, I get the Robot is amoral and his biggest concern is ensuring the Robot religious awakening, but I don't see how bringing it up to Loup is a more effective way to deal with it then bringing this up to Annie or saying nothing. Kat is going to be mildly to majorly distracted until Loup is dealt with, and while they don't have a plan to deal with Loup, protecting him seems like just delaying a potential explosion. Like if all he is asking Loup to do is leave him and Kat alone I don't see why he would bring it up at all unless he thinks Loups plan is messing with his work, in which case Robot trusting him to not mess with the plan in exchange for silence is silly.
Maybe it will become clear in a few pages, but I legit don't understand the gain Robot is hoping for here. Unless he also plans on telling the gang and doing a double set up, I don't see how this doesn't work against Robtic interests.
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Post by drmemory on Jul 19, 2022 0:00:50 GMT
I hate* how much Robbie in panel 1 reminds me of Diego. The lines reminiscent of the wire arms of glasses, the absolutely expressionless circles at the eyes. And of course, the not giving a damn as long as his interests are preserved. [...] *: in-fiction, obviously How long until somebody asks "Robot... what part did you play in all this?"? I agree. Sooner or later, this will all come out. Annie will certainly be upset, and Kat will almost certainly be upset as well due to him upsetting Annie.
To be fair, this isn't the only or even first questionable thing that Robot has done, that Kat doesn't know about...
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Post by drmemory on Jul 19, 2022 0:09:47 GMT
Okay, I get the Robot is amoral and his biggest concern is ensuring the Robot religious awakening, but I don't see how bringing it up to Loup is a more effective way to deal with it then bringing this up to Annie or saying nothing. Kat is going to be mildly to majorly distracted until Loup is dealt with, and while they don't have a plan to deal with Loup, protecting him seems like just delaying a potential explosion. Like if all he is asking Loup to do is leave him and Kat alone I don't see why he would bring it up at all unless he thinks Loups plan is messing with his work, in which case Robot trusting him to not mess with the plan in exchange for silence is silly. Maybe it will become clear in a few pages, but I legit don't understand the gain Robot is hoping for here. Unless he also plans on telling the gang and doing a double set up, I don't see how this doesn't work against Robtic interests. I don't think he's going for direct gain - I just think he wants to make sure he can finish his plan. Get new bodies for all of the robots and get them out of the court... Not sure he cares about collateral damage or damage to humans at all, and he is very uninterested in human soap operas. Honestly, I question how much he cares about even Kat as a person rather than as a means to an end.
Look at how fast he went from "Annie = Mommy" to basically ignoring her entirely... Once Kat's work is done, she might just drop off his priority list. 
I figure he doesn't like the court due to past robot abuse and restrictions (which we've seen hints of) and is fine with anything that screws up their plans. In the case of Loup, he's probably more interested in his value as a distraction than anything else.
It'll probably backfire of course. If nothing else, Loup has no reason to not tell on him!
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Post by blahzor on Jul 19, 2022 0:40:06 GMT
I can only see Diego now, when I look at Robot. I'm surprised I hadn't seen it before. Gives me the jibblies. Could Diego have imprinted a version of himself on a Seraph? Could that be what makes S13 so different? Imagine if Robbie started taking his body mods upon himself sans the Angel, only to emerge looking like goddamn Diego. Something about that is very 'Animal Farm'. Diego all along wanted to be a red headed angel and be with Jeanne |
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