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Post by madjack on Jun 29, 2022 7:24:12 GMT
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Post by philman on Jun 29, 2022 7:28:11 GMT
And now for some wise words from Renard?
Interesting that Renard obviously didn't tell annie about his friendship with Eglamore though, and she assumes that he still hates him. Surely she should realise that there is at least a level of trust after all these years together.
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Post by flowsthead on Jun 29, 2022 7:30:51 GMT
And now for some wise words from Renard? Interesting that Renard obviously didn't tell annie about his friendship with Eglamore though, and she assumes that he still hates him. Surely she should realise that there is at least a level of trust after all these years together. To be fair, that level of trust is still predicated on Renard being in Annie's doll. He was never planning on letting Renard free. |
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Post by blahzor on Jun 29, 2022 7:32:30 GMT
He didn't not say he wasn't sorry
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Post by merry76 on Jun 29, 2022 9:09:19 GMT
And now for some wise words from Renard? Interesting that Renard obviously didn't tell annie about his friendship with Eglamore though, and she assumes that he still hates him. Surely she should realise that there is at least a level of trust after all these years together. At first I thought "why should Eglamore be happy that Annie is feeling guilty?". But your analysis cleared it up. She probably isnt aware of a lot of thinks we get in the "sideline pages" - i mean just because she can basically eavesdrop on anyone anywhere, she probably isnt doing that because she is nice. And Rey might sense it anyway, being an Ether creature. |
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Post by ctso74 on Jun 29, 2022 13:30:27 GMT
This could also be Annie venting over the thought of Kat leaving, and it all being the Court's fault.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jun 29, 2022 15:35:53 GMT
So, "we can figure something out" was denial, and now we're seeing anger.
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Post by speedwell on Jun 29, 2022 16:13:28 GMT
So, "we can figure something out" was denial, and now we're seeing anger. The "five stages of grief" psychological paradigm is a trope, not really a useful analysis tool. www.scientificamerican.com/article/five-fallacies-of-grief/ Although many fiction writers do use the trope because it makes it easier to work through uncomfortable emotions connected with traumatic events, I actually don't think it is useful yet for analysing the present situation. |
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Post by stef1987 on Jun 29, 2022 16:32:09 GMT
what's with that 5th panel?
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jun 29, 2022 16:52:41 GMT
So, "we can figure something out" was denial, and now we're seeing anger. The "five stages of grief" psychological paradigm is a trope, not really a useful analysis tool. www.scientificamerican.com/article/five-fallacies-of-grief/ Although many fiction writers do use the trope because it makes it easier to work through uncomfortable emotions connected with traumatic events, I actually don't think it is useful yet for analysing the present situation. Luckily for us, Gunnerkrigg is work of fiction. If Tom wants Annie to act in a Kubler-Ross-like fashion, she will. In which case, the next page might feature bargaining. (With God or with Loup, perhaps?) |
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Post by drmemory on Jun 29, 2022 17:25:01 GMT
I'm not sure Loup actually saw Annie and Renard at the site of the attempted capture. If he didn't, or they think he didn't, that could be another clue to the whole "Jerrek isn't real" thing. They were hiding in the bushes, more or less.
Also, he only punished Renard (and effectively Annie), when it was Kat's tech that made up most of the trap.
I still think it'll be Robot that fingers him though. If Robot doesn't have a database of all the NP, both before and after, I'll be VERY surprised. |
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Post by warrl on Jun 29, 2022 18:29:10 GMT
i mean just because she can basically eavesdrop on anyone anywhere, she probably isnt doing that because she is nice. Being able to eavesdrop on anyone anywhere does NOT mean you can eavesdrop on everyone everywhere - particularly not if you also want to be able to do anything yourself. (And that "anything" includes, oh, sleeping...) |
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Post by maxptc on Jun 29, 2022 18:45:49 GMT
"I have to be honest with you Annie......that suit no longer fit me. The part of me that wanted to wear it again was doing little more then reminiscing, knowing that suit was no longer suitable. More then that, I've grown to love this suit your mother made me far more then I expected to. It has long since stopped being a prison, but is in fact my favorite suit."
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Post by speedwell on Jun 29, 2022 19:47:20 GMT
"I have to be honest with you Annie......that suit no longer fit me. The part of me that wanted to wear it again was doing little more then reminiscing, knowing that suit was no longer suitable. More then that, I've grown to love this suit your mother made me far more then I expected to. It has long since stopped being a prison, but is in fact my favorite suit." Lovely stuff, including the slightly unhinged fantasy that Surma made the toy for him.  |
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Post by Runningflame on Jun 29, 2022 22:44:55 GMT
"Five stages" aside, it makes sense that if Annie is feeling sudden and immense guilt over something she did, she would be quick to lash out when Eglamore questions her about it. (In a rather accusatory tone, no less.)
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Post by maxptc on Jun 29, 2022 23:14:52 GMT
"I have to be honest with you Annie......that suit no longer fit me. The part of me that wanted to wear it again was doing little more then reminiscing, knowing that suit was no longer suitable. More then that, I've grown to love this suit your mother made me far more then I expected to. It has long since stopped being a prison, but is in fact my favorite suit." Lovely stuff, including the slightly unhinged fantasy that Surma made the toy for him. Didn't she? I thought the toy had a "trap Reynard" rune built into it or am I misremebering? Edit: I am, I think I combined the stuffie storyline with the bindings being used independently. Stupid long term memory. |
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Post by drmemory on Jun 30, 2022 21:03:27 GMT
"Five stages" aside, it makes sense that if Annie is feeling sudden and immense guilt over something she did, she would be quick to lash out when Eglamore questions her about it. (In a rather accusatory tone, no less.) Not sure about that, but I think her comment about how that should make him happy is probably based on her still thinking Eglamore hates Renard. Like way back when she first disclosed Renard-as-wolf toy to Kat's family and him, and he wanted to immediately take it away from her and confine it. Or destroy it.
I don't remember her finding out about Renard and Jimmy Jim Jim hanging out and watching old movies together, at least. This may also be the cause of her long-standing distrust of Eglamore.
This may not be the cause of her reaction entirely, could well be guilt in there too, but I suspect it's the source of the specific words.
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Post by silicondream on Jul 1, 2022 6:03:54 GMT
And now for some wise words from Renard? Interesting that Renard obviously didn't tell annie about his friendship with Eglamore though, and she assumes that he still hates him. Surely she should realise that there is at least a level of trust after all these years together. To be fair, that level of trust is still predicated on Renard being in Annie's doll. He was never planning on letting Renard free. Exactly. Eglamore agreed to hang out with a bound Renard, or at least he wanted to keep tabs on him. That doesn't mean he wouldn't instantly try to kill or disable him if Renard was unbound, or for any other urgent reason the Court might provide. Eglamore's Court Protector, and Renard's a beast who can kill with a glance, and has. Not much room for trust in that relationship, by Annie's "us against the world" standards. |
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Post by drmemory on Jul 14, 2022 0:10:22 GMT
I still think it'll be Robot that fingers him though. If Robot doesn't have a database of all the NP, both before and after, I'll be VERY surprised.  Confirmed 7/13/22. |
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Confirmed 7/13/22.