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Post by bedinsis on Jun 24, 2022 7:00:51 GMT
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Post by flowsthead on Jun 24, 2022 7:08:49 GMT
Annie looks genuinely devastated. Poor Annie and Renard. I wonder if that will change what Renard looks like in the ether.
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Post by madjack on Jun 24, 2022 7:19:43 GMT
They might not have much time to grieve, Eggs gonna put two and two together and chew her out again. I think if anything's going to get them wondering, though, it's why does this angry wolf god keep running away after their encounters. |
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Post by blahzor on Jun 24, 2022 9:06:58 GMT
guess Loup is ready for Coyote's plan for him to die
stabbin' time
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Post by stef1987 on Jun 24, 2022 10:20:31 GMT
guess Loup is ready for Coyote's plan for him to die stabbin' time How so? |
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Post by worldsong on Jun 24, 2022 10:25:48 GMT
Loup: "How dare Annie comfort Reynard after I punished him!"
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Post by laaaa on Jun 24, 2022 10:56:12 GMT
guess Loup is ready for Coyote's plan for him to die stabbin' time How so? Well if he keeps doing things like that... Annie WILL find herself thinking 'wow murdering you sounds nicer and nicer each time we meet' |
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Post by heranje on Jun 24, 2022 11:23:47 GMT
Loup: Oh yes, this is a great plan that will definitely make Annie think about how cool and powerful I am and not how sad she is for Renard and how cruel I am.
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Post by Corvo on Jun 24, 2022 11:25:31 GMT
Loup's missing tooth is a nice touch, kind of comforting when you think that he cares more about that tooth than Renard will care about the body after he gets a new one (and rubs it on Loup's face).
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Post by laaaa on Jun 24, 2022 11:33:07 GMT
Loup's missing tooth is a nice touch, kind of conforting when you think that he cares more about that tooth than Renard will care about the body after he gets a new one (and rubs it on Loups face). Oh right! I forgot that Reynard's main power is THAT HE CAN TOTALLY SNATCH BODIES. Sure, that one was his real one, but... endless wanderings as a bodyless spirit? It ain't happening. |
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Post by blahzor on Jun 24, 2022 11:40:08 GMT
guess Loup is ready for Coyote's plan for him to die stabbin' time How so? a fire elemental with a history of temper problems and you just provoked her knowing she has a dagger to kill you with and she knows she can and probably will |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 24, 2022 11:55:31 GMT
a fire elemental with a history of temper problems and you just provoked her knowing she has a dagger to kill you with and she knows she can and probably will Annie is still not a murderer. |
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Post by crater on Jun 24, 2022 12:16:52 GMT
Reynard seems like he's been on the helpless side of Coyotes actions before
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Post by rabbit on Jun 24, 2022 12:39:26 GMT
Loup: "How dare Annie comfort Reynard after I punished him!" I am not sure in panel 5 if Loup is looking at Annie comforting Rey, or if something in the distance (the meeting Kat is attending?) has caught his attention and ire. Coyote laughed off the Shadow Men's previous attempt to capture him/Loup, but then Kat wasn't with them that time... |
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Post by Corvo on Jun 24, 2022 12:51:54 GMT
a fire elemental with a history of temper problems and you just provoked her knowing she has a dagger to kill you with and she knows she can and probably will Annie is still not a murderer. |
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Post by Corvo on Jun 24, 2022 12:53:41 GMT
Reynard seems like he's been on the helpless side of Coyotes actions before He's ten+ years in prison to show for that, really. |
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Post by bicarbonat on Jun 24, 2022 13:54:51 GMT
Loup: "How dare Annie comfort Reynard after I punished him!" I am not sure in panel 5 if Loup is looking at Annie comforting Rey, or if something in the distance (the meeting Kat is attending?) has caught his attention and ire. Coyote laughed off the Shadow Men's previous attempt to capture him/Loup, but then Kat wasn't with them that time... It almost definitely is. We've seen that exact look before in similar tableaus, most recently while Loup is in his Jerrek form. It always screams "emotionally dysregulated," and now even moreso. Before, Loup would have Annie's attention during positive/constructive interaction, and (despite his divided feelings about staying on objective) he loved it. Then something would draw her attention away, and he would get that murderous look. This time, he's gotten her attention with negative/destructive interaction (inasmuch as Renard was the target, let's be real, Loup knew she'd come). Now, her attention diverted from Loup because of her love for Renard. And again, the murderous look. Some children do this "any attention is meaningful, any 'neglect' is unacceptable" thing – and very unfortunately, so do some adults. It's an untenable, unhealthy situation and it can be especially difficult to resolve when it comes to adults, who can escalate to violence and retribution far beyond a child's abilities. How much more a would-be god. |
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Post by maxptc on Jun 24, 2022 13:58:39 GMT
Not really feeling emotional over Reys body to be honest. It's a brutal response to being stabbed with ether manipulation technology and being "insulted" obviously, but it is kind of low impact compared to Loups other attacks.
For one, we havent seen Rey or anyone else really care that much about his OG body. Body switching is kind of a major theme in this universe, both technology and magic focus a lot on mind/soul counting as you, the body is just an accessory. So it really felt like a "you destroyed my second favorite suit, you monster!" moment to me. In addition, based on the rules of GK universe as I understand them, this wasnt a death but destruction of property. No soul, no guide, no ether gain, no death. This definitely felt more aggressive then Coyete eating Rabbits body, but it is essentially the same thing, removing a potential but empty vessel. Also, fox's are super common, Kat can build bodies, and im sure someone is a seamstress in the court. I'm guessing that body had some neat immortality charms on it which stinks to loose, but I can think of a ton of soultions if Renard really wants to be a fox again.
So yeah, I understand the emotional response from Rey and Annie, personal attachment and all that. But I never much cared for Renards second favorite suit, and just hope the gang doesnt get to flustered by this.
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Post by ctso74 on Jun 24, 2022 14:21:21 GMT
A child-like tantrum is all I can call this. Being both a creep and infantile is a bad look. When you add cruel to it, I'm surprised you don't have people lining up to stab him.
I wonder what Kat's response will be to all this. As many have said, she may program a special "character creator" for Rey.
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Post by lonestarf1 on Jun 24, 2022 14:59:41 GMT
It's probably worth remembering that Loup intends to take back all of his gifts, including Renard's body-hopping ability. Who knows what'll happen to him when/if he does without his original body. Probably nothing, possibly everything!
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Post by Angry Individual on Jun 24, 2022 16:51:35 GMT
Am I the only one who expects Renard and Annie in the next comic to look completely fine and go, "Do you think he believed it?"
I don't know why but it felt almost... less dramatic of a reaction than I expected?
Or maybe I'll be completely wrong and it'll show Annie crying with a silent Renard next comic. Either way, I want to see where this is going to lead.
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Post by Gemminie on Jun 24, 2022 18:12:13 GMT
Annie and Renard are stunned after witnessing Loup's destruction of Renard's original body. Ignoring Annie, Loup just says, "Renard, let this be a lesson," without qualifiers. No "Don't taunt me and lure me into traps," no nothing. This is the sort of thing that would perhaps make James and Parley wonder what Renard's done to Loup lately – Parley's "we found Loup" suggests that they might be interested to learn that Renard found Loup earlier that day.
Anyway, Loup then just says "So now you have nowhere to go without Coyote's possession power, so there's no reason for you to ever give that up ... wait, maybe I didn't think that through very well," except no, he doesn't say that. He just taunts Renard for being a spirit without a body, grins with malice, and zips away, pulling some of the distant smoke with him (what's burning over there?). Annie hugs a distraught Renard.
Um, what was the point of this, then? Just some petty revenge for Renard's taunting him and leading him into a trap earlier, a trap that he already knew was there and walked into anyway? Was this ... kayfabe? Is he just keeping up appearances so nobody suspects Jerrek? Did he really think they'd suspect something was up if he did nothing? Or wasn't he thinking at all? I suppose he was pretty upset by Renard's statement that Loup wasn't taking this seriously.
How will Renard react to this? He's always sort of assumed that he could go back to his body someday, but (assuming that really was his body) now he's stuck in this plush toy that Surma made and Annie (probably) owns. Well, he's not stuck. If Annie had a menagerie of plush animals, Renard could choose which one to inhabit each day. But this one was made by Surma, so maybe he'd prefer it.
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Post by shaihulud on Jun 24, 2022 18:25:22 GMT
Either way, I want to see where this is going to lead. Instead it leads to a scene change with Kat at the meeting. |
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Post by speedwell on Jun 24, 2022 19:31:18 GMT
And is repeatedly suffering the direct effects of storybook, poetic-justice karma for it, too. Seek a mate from the Court? Get imprisoned in it. Take and ruin bodies? Have your own taken away and ruined. Try to kill, out of fear and frustration, the daughter and holder of the essence of your lost love? Become her possession, and forge a close, loving, guardian relationship with her that makes it unlikely that you can ever love her in that way. Deliberately cultivate your civilised wisdom, intelligence, and kindness in the context of a human framework of virtue? Very likely, acquire a humanoid body. What Annie is learning from Renard is not how to be a killer; more the reverse. She might well have eventually learned to be a killer from Ysengrim. |
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Post by Corvo on Jun 24, 2022 20:01:33 GMT
...Seek a mate from the Court? Get imprisoned in it. Take and ruin bodies? Have your own taken away and ruined. Try to kill, out of fear and frustration, the daughter and holder of the essence of your lost love? Become her possession... |
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Post by stef1987 on Jun 24, 2022 21:36:44 GMT
a fire elemental with a history of temper problems and you just provoked her knowing she has a dagger to kill you with and she knows she can and probably will The way you phrased it I thought you meant Loup has accepted dying |
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Post by stef1987 on Jun 24, 2022 21:41:59 GMT
Um, what was the point of this, then? Just some petty revenge for Renard's taunting him and leading him into a trap earlier, a trap that he already knew was there and walked into anyway? Was this ... kayfabe? Is he just keeping up appearances so nobody suspects Jerrek? Did he really think they'd suspect something was up if he did nothing? Or wasn't he thinking at all? I suppose he was pretty upset by Renard's statement that Loup wasn't taking this seriously. Well Loup really is just super petty. But it's not so much vengeance for Renard taunting him (as he knew about their plan then), but for being so close with Annie, and for Renards remark when he (as Jerrek) was talking about the elf boys stuff |
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Post by todd on Jun 25, 2022 0:02:50 GMT
Annie is still not a murderer. Unfortunately for her, I get the feeling that Coyote is doing all he can, beyond the grave, to railroad her into that direction. |
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Post by drmemory on Jun 25, 2022 6:06:47 GMT
a fire elemental with a history of temper problems and you just provoked her knowing she has a dagger to kill you with and she knows she can and probably will Annie is still not a murderer. True, but we're getting into "justifiable" territory here. What if he goes after Kat for some reason? Maybe to punish Annie? Think she'll hold back? I don't.
He keeps pushing and pushing...
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Post by drmemory on Jun 25, 2022 6:22:20 GMT
I can't make sense of Loup's comment about "forever remaining a spirit without a body". Without his original body, perhaps, but he KNOWS about the New People and should know by now that Kat can make bodies and put minds in them, he KNOWS Renard has the power to take bodies as he desires, and he himself is in a body he created for himself! His attempt to punish Renard is SO going to backfire on him. If nothing else, this pretty much kills his potential redemption arc methinks.
As for body issues, Renard has a surprising number of options. Renard is probably pretty bummed at losing his original body but he just flat out isn't stuck. Fan-service request: Fire wolf body, created by Annie!  Not a good choice for a permanent home but I bet it would look cool! |
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Not a good choice for a permanent home but I bet it would look cool!