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Post by philman on Jun 22, 2022 7:06:50 GMT
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Jun 22, 2022 7:09:00 GMT
Seeing as it's Loup, this in and of itself could also be an illusion... I hope, poor Rey otherwise...
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Post by basser on Jun 22, 2022 7:09:32 GMT
Not gonna lie I literally snort laughed.
But whatever Loup it was weird you were keeping it anyway.
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Post by caber on Jun 22, 2022 7:10:59 GMT
Huh, I feel somewhat speechless. It's such an odd move, and the timing... what could he be planning?
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Post by bicarbonat on Jun 22, 2022 7:16:15 GMT
There's only a handful of times we've seen Renard in deep distress (finding out Surma died, being forced to hear that she tricked him).
If this destruction is real, I honestly can't wait until Loup gets absolutely godsmacked.
And if the gang twigs that Jerrek is his alter ego, you can bet there's going to be another messy misunderstanding involving Lana, who will probably try to "save" him.
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Post by madjack on Jun 22, 2022 7:30:41 GMT
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Post by cu on Jun 22, 2022 8:18:01 GMT
Sick burn!
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Post by alevice on Jun 22, 2022 8:55:47 GMT
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Post by Corvo on Jun 22, 2022 9:32:36 GMT
Now that's a reliable open source brows— Oh wait it's gone.
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Post by Corvo on Jun 22, 2022 9:37:33 GMT
Thankfully, Loup and Coyote can create whole new timelines, so I don't think restoring Renard's body is completely unfeasible.
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Post by Corvo on Jun 22, 2022 9:39:23 GMT
Do you think he used fire just so Annie would later wonder if she could've stopped him?
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 22, 2022 11:08:37 GMT
Hm. On one hand, it makes no practical sense for Loup to just destroy the fox body instead of merely threatening to do it and use it as a bargaining chip. On the other hand he was shown to be petty and bitter before, and when we last saw him as Jerrek, he seemed determined to prove to Renard he was taking things "seriously". On the other other hand he seems to be quite calm, unlike the other times he did things just out of spite.
For now I'd say chances this is an illusion are 50-50.
However it seems it isn't be a ploy by the Court. Even if they are able to create a believable illusion of Loup, how should they even know Loup had Renard's original body lying around?
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Post by philman on Jun 22, 2022 12:03:49 GMT
On another note, if this is real and Renard has lost his original body, would he be open to Kat making him a new one, and becoming a New Person as well?
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Post by speedwell on Jun 22, 2022 12:50:48 GMT
On another note, if this is real and Renard has lost his original body, would he be open to Kat making him a new one, and becoming a New Person as well? I like the speculation, I honestly do... But I think he quite likes being in the Surma-made wolf body and had no particular intent to leave it, even to return to his original body. Given the nonsense with arcane contracts of body ownership and so on, I don't think it was perfectly clear that he even owned his own body anymore, full stop. It may require giving him ownership of the wolf toy to fully resolve this, whether or not he eventually gets a New body. One hitch might be that we have never seen any New Person have or use Etheric control or even potential, not even Jerrek. |
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Post by maxptc on Jun 22, 2022 12:56:47 GMT
Called it, but it was pretty obvious. It's not an illusion, it's Loup proving to Renard he is serious. Be super counter productive to hit undo and be all "and this is my last warning!" Considering the gang did try to bind him with some pretty powerful and morally questionable tech, I don't think this can draw suspicion to Jerrek, even though Loup being mad about what Renard said is why this is happening. The real question is if Loup is done, or if he has another action/demand in mind.
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Post by rafk on Jun 22, 2022 13:11:41 GMT
For some reason, and in complete mood whiplash, the response I really want to see to Loup doing that is Girl Genius' Othar Trygvassen yelling FOUL!
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 22, 2022 13:44:22 GMT
Tricked, but by whom? But we did already. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 22, 2022 13:44:28 GMT
[...]we have never seen any New Person have or use Etheric control or even potential, not even Jerrek. What about this time? |
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Post by Gemminie on Jun 22, 2022 14:05:41 GMT
Giving the horrified Annie and Renard just enough time to realize what they're seeing, a grinning Loup then reduces Renard's original body to cinders.
Of course, he just threw away a bargaining chip – assuming that was really Renard's original body. It still might have been an illusion, a newly-created replica, or the body of an ordinary fox, to show them what he could do if they push him too far. On the other hand, he may have just decided that since Renard seemingly doesn't want his body back, this show of strength is worth throwing away that particular low-value bargaining chip. What's he really want here?
Is his real goal to distract Annie from what's happening at the meeting? I don't really see that – I'm not sure he would care. I wouldn't be surprised if the meeting is in some kind of Ether-drained area anyway, so he might not even know it's happening. So I think the fact that these events are simultaneous with the meeting may just be accidental bad timing. They did choose to attempt the Loup trap earlier that same day, but nobody knew the meeting was going to happen, so their angering Loup and the surprise Court meeting happening on the same day are seemingly a coincidence.
So what is Loup hoping to accomplish here? Threatening Annie and Renard into giving up Coyote's last gifts? Perhaps he'll threaten to do the same with James and Parley, or someone else who may turn out to be around? I can't think what else he might want from Renard and Annie, and if he didn't bring them there because he wanted something from them, why did he have Parley bring them there?
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Post by ctso74 on Jun 22, 2022 15:43:53 GMT
I'm sure Rey will be saddened, but how upset will he really be? He may have already come to terms with this fate. He may even believe, that he doesn't deserve his old body back. Old wounds will be opened, but Annie might be more upset with this than Rey. Then again, the finality of it could seriously push some buttons. How would Loup respond, if Rey sadly says "Pity. And I pity you, Loup." Or we're about to see a weeping, screaming toy wolf. It's that kind of comic, after all. |
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Post by speedwell on Jun 22, 2022 15:46:38 GMT
[...]we have never seen any New Person have or use Etheric control or even potential, not even Jerrek. What about this time? Due to the electric colours and sharp edges, rather than the comparatively natural free-flowing "wild" imagery we're used to associating with the Ether (even in Kat's Etheric work and appearance, and for that matter, in Loup's), I was reading it as a purely technological surveillance mode. But you may well be right. |
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Post by csj on Jun 22, 2022 15:51:53 GMT
A Fired Fox
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Post by Sky Schemer on Jun 22, 2022 16:18:31 GMT
I am pretty sure Kat can just make Rey a new one.
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Post by drmemory on Jun 22, 2022 17:05:13 GMT
Time to knife the crazy one.
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Post by Eversist on Jun 22, 2022 17:25:34 GMT
I know Loup isn't the most logical being, but if he wants Rey's Coyote-body-nabbing power back, why tf would he burn up the body he could be convinced to eventually return to...? *incredulous at Loup*
(I know, this could be an illusion as others have postulated.)
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Post by netherdan on Jun 22, 2022 20:38:20 GMT
Due to the electric colours and sharp edges, rather than the comparatively natural free-flowing "wild" imagery we're used to associating with the Ether (even in Kat's Etheric work and appearance, and for that matter, in Loup's), I was reading it as a purely technological surveillance mode. But you may well be right. Him needing a Loup body part and the "limited etheric interaction" (almost technological looking) that you described, this might still mean that "Jerrek" can't control the ether and he needed to "be Loup" for a while in order to do so. He's even turning back to 100% Jerrek when Lana greets him |
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Post by argent on Jun 22, 2022 21:33:24 GMT
I’m not sure exactly what I was expecting from this page, but the immediate and detailed three-panel cremation of Renard’s original body was not it.
I suppose Tom can’t have us getting to sympathize with Loup too much, anyways, given the righteous stabbing-to-death thing he has coming.
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 22, 2022 23:42:28 GMT
Due to the electric colours and sharp edges, rather than the comparatively natural free-flowing "wild" imagery we're used to associating with the Ether (even in Kat's Etheric work and appearance, and for that matter, in Loup's), I was reading it as a purely technological surveillance mode. But you may well be right. I see what you mean. So far my impression was that Kat didn't give the NP bodies any abilities that humans don't have. The technological look might well be what Loup's normal abilities look like to himself when filtered through the NP's technological senses. In any case I'd say we can be sure that hiding as an NP does not impair Loup's abilities of controlling the Ether.
Now that I think of it, at the beginning of this chapter he also created a quite tangible (we see its effects on the terrain) apparition of his standard Loup body while still being Jerrek as well. Obviously he must have tapped into the Ether here (and this time without any of Jerrek's body parts changing shape).
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Post by todd on Jun 23, 2022 0:17:46 GMT
Giving the horrified Annie and Renard just enough time to realize what they're seeing, a grinning Loup then reduces Renard's original body to cinders. Of course, he just threw away a bargaining chip – assuming that was really Renard's original body. It still might have been an illusion, a newly-created replica, or the body of an ordinary fox, to show them what he could do if they push him too far. On the other hand, he may have just decided that since Renard seemingly doesn't want his body back, this show of strength is worth throwing away that particular low-value bargaining chip. What's he really want here? Is his real goal to distract Annie from what's happening at the meeting? I don't really see that – I'm not sure he would care. I wouldn't be surprised if the meeting is in some kind of Ether-drained area anyway, so he might not even know it's happening. So I think the fact that these events are simultaneous with the meeting may just be accidental bad timing. They did choose to attempt the Loup trap earlier that same day, but nobody knew the meeting was going to happen, so their angering Loup and the surprise Court meeting happening on the same day are seemingly a coincidence. So what is Loup hoping to accomplish here? Threatening Annie and Renard into giving up Coyote's last gifts? Perhaps he'll threaten to do the same with James and Parley, or someone else who may turn out to be around? I can't think what else he might want from Renard and Annie, and if he didn't bring them there because he wanted something from them, why did he have Parley bring them there? I think it possible that Loup is so angry that he didn't consider the fact that Renard's body would make a useful bargaining chip; he just wanted to lash out in rage (though it could also be used as a demonstration of what would happen if they continue to defy him). And Loup attacking them away from the meeting rules out my earlier speculation that he'd crash the Court meeting and prevent the Court from leaving. (I'd thought that something like this would happen to avoid the storytelling challenges of moving the Court away to a new location and splitting up the cast. On the other hand, we seem to be now in the "final season" of the comic, where we could expect a big shake-up to make it clear that the "everyday life/change-of-pace" type stories are over now. |
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Post by speedwell on Jun 23, 2022 0:27:02 GMT
I suppose it is worth pointing out that, provided that Renard is not obviously harmed over the course of the next few pages, the gift of body-surfing remains under Renard's permanent control. If Loup could have taken the power back by force, I am sure he would have done so long ago. The fact that he couldn't use the power to take over Renard's original body, and his frustration that he was unable to, is one reason I am leaning toward thinking that Loup actually did (more or less impulsively) destroy it. I think it's ironic that he basically cut off Renard's most obvious line of retreat if Renard had been manipulated into returning that power.
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