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Post by blahzor on Jun 7, 2022 8:22:35 GMT
The issue with Loup is with Coyote's power he could get a precise intellect of a teenager Annie's age and it will be correct if he wills it to be so. Now you have to question how believable Loup wants him to be as Jerrek.
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Post by heranje on Jun 7, 2022 11:19:35 GMT
In which we see Kat pull the classic move of shifting the focus onto Antimony rather than letting it stay on herself. Also, to me Annie comes across as deliberately obtuse in this scene. As Runningflame pointed out Renard has already mentioned Jerrek's apparent interest to her, and her reaction then was very much that of someone who's picked up on it and is playfully brushing it off. That reaction is very much in contrast with this blank-faced "oh? you think so?" Either Annie is crushing on Jerrek too and playing dumb in order to avoid having an embarrassing conversation with her friends (as we've previously seen, she's very uncomfortable with the topic) - or she does indeed suspect that he's Loup in disguise and doesn't want to divulge that to Kat and Renard, for whatever reason. |
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Post by maxptc on Jun 7, 2022 14:36:48 GMT
Castlevania anime apparently has a human lady fall in love with a much older count dracula That, twilight, true blood, and most vampire fiction in fact, doesn’t sit me right with me precisely for that reason. Robot love as well, but that's usually more comedic in fiction so it typicaly gets a pass from me, hypocritical as that might be. This also might just be a me thing, I get that. I know it doesn't look like old men sleeping with children, but that what I see it as. Even if they are young adults or full adults, that age difference/life experience difference/powerlevel difference between two people just creeps me out. A 18yo dating a 60yo or a 90yo doesn't sit right with me either, even if they are human. A 30yo and a 300yo sets off a similar twinge for me. That not even getting into people dating non adults who aren't fully aware of sex and the emotional toll relationships can have, where even a 15yo dating a 19yo can seem jacked up. Im not saying you need to be the same age as your partner, but that kind of age difference is taboo for a lot of people, and I don't think it's unreasonable. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 7, 2022 14:36:49 GMT
I dunno; in my experience, it’s kinda different when it’s you. It’s easier to see other people interested in each other, but for me any interest just reads as “normal socialization.” I do kinda wonder, though, how “human” the new people read to Annie, because most students seem pretty used to brushing off robot romantic advances. Does Annie think of them the same way she thinks about forest creatures? That's a good point about the robot thing. We have no idea how anyone is thinking of them, even Annie. For the other point about it happening to you, I agree that it can be harder to pick up when it's directed at oneself, but even then, I think physical touch is usually more obvious, hence why I focused on Jerrek holding her hand. I don't know. My theory is that Annie is either very much aware and just kidding now, or that after her disappointment of realizing Kamlen wasn't romantically interested in her at all (despite physical touch and everthing) she deliberately chooses to believe no one is, and everything that looks like romantic interest in her really isn't.
Her interaction with Jack here shows, in my opinion, that she very much is able to realize someone's interest in her if she is open for it. But like Polyhymnia said, it could also be that she simply doesn't take it seriously when coming from a NP (though Annie isn't fully human herself, so discarding a romantic prospect because the other person isn't fully human would be pretty hypocritical).
Castlevania anime apparently has a human lady fall in love with a much older count dracula and they were good for each other till others burned the lady as a witch which set dracula off, though they had happy ever after in end. You wouldn't approve because dracula was much older? [...] maxptc said he would want to check this if he was in Annie's position. But yes. Apart from the fact that dating Count Dracula in particular is probably never a good idea, Annie is a 17-year-old who no immortal or decades-year-old being has any business making romantic advances on, robot, NP, Forest God, fox spirit, vampire, human or anything else. |
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Post by todd on Jun 8, 2022 1:29:04 GMT
I'll confess I've never felt any need for Annie to have a love-interest.
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Post by Polyhymnia on Jun 8, 2022 1:59:53 GMT
I'll confess I've never felt any need for Annie to have a love-interest. Same! I honestly get a little antsy when it seems like the story’s angling for a romance because I don’t know if there’s a person in the cast that it would feel natural with? And it’s honestly refreshing that we’ve gotten this far and kept it focused on platonic and familial relations where Annie is concerned. |
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Post by Polyhymnia on Jun 8, 2022 2:02:07 GMT
I dunno; in my experience, it’s kinda different when it’s you. It’s easier to see other people interested in each other, but for me any interest just reads as “normal socialization.” I do kinda wonder, though, how “human” the new people read to Annie, because most students seem pretty used to brushing off robot romantic advances. Does Annie think of them the same way she thinks about forest creatures? That's a good point about the robot thing. We have no idea how anyone is thinking of them, even Annie. For the other point about it happening to you, I agree that it can be harder to pick up when it's directed at oneself, but even then, I think physical touch is usually more obvious, hence why I focused on Jerrek holding her hand. I don't know. That’s a good point with the touching, I’d forgotten about that. |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jun 8, 2022 14:57:00 GMT
I'll confess I've never felt any need for Annie to have a love-interest. It's a common enough high school comedy/ drama plotline. Probably because it happens in real life. Also because audiences expect shipping. |
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Post by drmemory on Jun 9, 2022 22:16:26 GMT
Annie's last attempt at anything resembling a relationship was way back in the Jack incident, where she tried to trick him. But, we also know she has a crush on... someone. We also saw a flashback about her and Kat talking about boys (and girls!). So while I'm in the camp not in a hurry to see her entangled in an emotional situation, there HAS been some foreshadowing. It could happen.
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Post by silicondream on Jun 13, 2022 3:43:03 GMT
I mean... no? If they got meat brains that's gotta get grown from the goop too. If they don't got meat brains then they've got their lil golem chips integrated into a goop-based nervous system which would now be part of their mind. Not sure if they had souls as robots but I think the whole implication of this arc is that Kat done did a godhood and gave em all souls somehow. They do have all-meat brains, I believe; Robot's the only one that currently has a mostly-organic body with a CPU buried inside. Dunno about souls exactly, but the etheric bureaucracy does count them as living beings, and that seems to be simply because they have both minds and fully organic (or growing and self-repairing) bodies. Oh, hardly. The Court's been making bodies and brains from goop for...as long as House Foley has existed, I guess. And whatever innovations went into the New People were the product of an entire research team, not just Kat. Juliette was lead designer on the brains, Tony was lead designer on the dicks (among other things I'm sure), and Annie provided CRITICALLY IMPORTANT INITIAL ANATOMICAL DESIGNS that I choose to believe were also for the dicks. Robot was the guinea pig with a degree in introspective psychology, and the actual mind transfer required Diego's arrow. Kat's awesome and all, but not "design and construct sentient life from scratch" awesome. And most importantly, Kat didn't make their minds. Arthur feels "new," but psychologically he's apparently the same dude. Even the ones who had very simple minds originally have gone through Robot's mind-expansion-ocean-therapy thing before the transfer, so they're very much their own people at this point. Hey, if Juliette can date Arthur.... |
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Post by silicondream on Jun 13, 2022 4:24:06 GMT
I'd be wondering if Jerrek was a toddler crush, a creepy 300 year old dude, or age appropriate. I dunno if that's what Annie would think, but I know it would bug me. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't bug Annie, given that her mental list of "boys I know" includes Renard, Robot and Mort. And the girl who befriended Ysengrin and the psychopomps has a high tolerance for creepy. Probably too high. Annie's own age is a confusing concept, given her semi-immortality and body-splitting and the fact that her mom's soul is buried inside her somewhere. But psychologically she's clearly still an adolescent, so I wouldn't want to see her dating adults yet, regardless of species. Anyways, I think the robots can mature at wildly different rates depending on their environment. Robot is almost as old as the Court, but he stayed psychologically infantile until he met Annie. Once he was making meaningful choice and experiencing bodily changes, he matured explosively and now he's cyborg Jesus. Arthur had a slower, steadier maturation paralleling his developing relationship with Juliette and his passage through a series of incrementally upgraded bodies. Oh yes, and the robots obviously start out much more focused, tolerant and fearless than any human child, because they're designed for immediate labor use. So the milestones are never going to line up exactly with human development. All the New People have gone through the Ocean experience, and I'm guessing that gave them a minimum maturity past the toddler level. Lana seems like...I dunno, a very smart 12-year-old, socially speaking? Annie's own socialization is a little delayed, so I could see her clicking with a lot of the New People. I'll confess I've never felt any need for Annie to have a love-interest. Nor I. It would be interesting to learn more about her approach to love and sexuality, given the whole motherhood = death thing, but there's only so far that can go in a children's comic anyway. She certainly doesn't seem to need a love interest to complete her life; Annie has several intimate and emotionally rewarding relationships in her life already. And maybe that's the point of the current subplot with Jerrek. Loup's a predator, and he wants to lure Annie in by offering whatever she's missing...but she's not really missing anything, and it's grinding his gears. |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Jun 14, 2022 18:40:47 GMT
Not his brain/soulotronics though, aye? I mean... no? If they got meat brains that's gotta get grown from the goop too. If they don't got meat brains then they've got their lil golem chips integrated into a goop-based nervous system which would now be part of their mind. Not sure if they had souls as robots but I think the whole implication of this arc is that Kat done did a godhood and gave em all souls somehow. So, like, nah, feelin like if this boy weren't secretly a freaky hybrid canine god he'd be a being formed entirely of Kat's divine teenage provenance. I'm honestly not sure why that makes her delightful shipping of him with her best friend feel super extra weird, but it is without a doubt super extra weird. Stop being weird, Kat. Coming back to this. What I meant was: as far as she knows his mind came from a robot, hence not created by her. Brain/body yes, consciousness, not so much. |
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