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Post by bedinsis on May 27, 2022 7:01:53 GMT
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Post by madjack on May 27, 2022 7:18:35 GMT
Is Kat thinking of going with the Court? She's always gotten caught up in how far she can push new developments and possibilities. Despite the fact her mother, best friend and girlfriend are on the no-travel list. Anyway, the former robots weren't any strangers to self-maintenance so the answer is to leave them the means to repair and build new bodies, while slowly integrating them with the Forest People so they have a social life outside of themselves. We've already seen that will have teething issues though. |
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Post by shadow3 on May 27, 2022 7:40:10 GMT
I predict that we are well on track in real life towards a Soylent Green timeline.
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Post by jda on May 27, 2022 7:43:23 GMT
Omega is just Zimmy having a massive nightmare, a la Azatoth.
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Post by ctso74 on May 27, 2022 13:54:30 GMT
Here shes says ex-robots instead of "New People". Hasn't she called the New People, or am I imagining that?
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Post by pyradonis on May 27, 2022 15:03:05 GMT
Here shes says ex-robots instead of "New People". Hasn't she called the New People, or am I imagining that? No, it was Lana who said "We are New People!" |
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Post by Gemminie on May 27, 2022 15:18:44 GMT
This page starts out with a continuation of the conversation from the previous page. Kat thinks that Omega can't be a complete computer model of every atom; she thinks it's more like weather forecasting, with a coarser model of events.
But then Kat moves to a very different topic: if the Court leaves, the New People will be on their own. This is a hugely loaded issue: does this imply that Kat's decided to go with the Court, wherever they're going? Does she realize that they won't be taking either Annie or Paz with them? Does she know whether she'll be allowed to leave the new Court – ever again? The Court is going to do something that requires an amount of Ether equivalent to Coyote's power; that sounds like they're planning to cut themselves off from the outside pretty irrevocably. That's speculation, but they're investing so much in this that I don't think they'll want their pure, perfect initial conditions contaminated by anything from the outside, which would include someone leaving and coming back.
I think Kat's got a huge choice to make, and it looks as if she hasn't really thought about it. Have her parents made their choice? The Court won't be taking Anja. What about Tony? He'll have to choose between the Court and his daughter. And then there are Eglamore and Parley – both of them are full of etheric wards; will the Court want them inside its new borders?
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Post by aline on May 27, 2022 15:39:38 GMT
Is Kat thinking of going with the Court? She's always gotten caught up in how far she can push new developments and possibilities. Despite the fact her mother, best friend and girlfriend are on the no-travel list. Anyway, the former robots weren't any strangers to self-maintenance so the answer is to leave them the means to repair and build new bodies, while slowly integrating them with the Forest People so they have a social life outside of themselves. We've already seen that will have teething issues though. I don't think Kat is planning to follow the Court, but it doesn't mean she stays. Anja, Annie and Paz wouldn't be able to follow the Court, but they can go live their lives elsewhere. They don't have to stay near a somewhat out of control magic Forest if the Court closes shop. But the New People are a different matter. They can't so easily integrate in the outside world. The Forest folks have a similar problem, but Kat presumably doesn't feel as responsible for them because she didn't cause them to undergo a critical change of their fundamental nature. Surely there are solutions like the one you suggested, but it makes complete sense that she'd worry about it. She made them... They're her sort-of new-species kids and I'm betting she's feeling guilty about shoving them into that new existence in what are very uncertain times. |
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Post by Gemini Jim on May 27, 2022 16:02:27 GMT
Here shes says ex-robots instead of "New People". Hasn't she called the New People, or am I imagining that? No, it was Lana who said "We are New People!" I need to find the page, because that sounds like Lana is forming a band. |
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Post by maxptc on May 27, 2022 16:02:54 GMT
Omega is a properly made excel spreadsheet, hence it's predictive ability and why it's so mysterious to everyone.
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Post by speedwell on May 27, 2022 19:05:53 GMT
Omega is a properly made excel spreadsheet, hence it's predictive ability and why it's so mysterious to everyone. Have you ever even met anyone who has used the full length and width of an Excel spreadsheet for any purpose? I mean, I was an administrative professional for many years, and my fellow admin pros and I never heard of such a thing.  |
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Post by drmemory on May 27, 2022 21:08:11 GMT
Let me be the first to say this: Forest Paradise. A place created by Annie (or possibly Annie and Kat and others), on the ruins of the old Forest and Court, where everyone is welcome - animals, magical or not, ex-robots, humans, whatever...  Probably not the right name but if the Court bails, what else could happen? It's either that or a war of extermination... |
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Post by drmemory on May 27, 2022 21:15:35 GMT
Omega is a properly made excel spreadsheet, hence it's predictive ability and why it's so mysterious to everyone. Have you ever even met anyone who has used the full length and width of an Excel spreadsheet for any purpose? I mean, I was an administrative professional for many years, and my fellow admin pros and I never heard of such a thing.  Back in the old days, it was certainly possible to completely fill an Excel spreadsheet, because you could only have so many rows and columns. I want to say 32K in each dimension? So if you wanted to import and process, say, instrument measurements, you'd have to slice and dice it into MAXROWS-sized chunks and write fairly ugly formulas to deal with it.
I'm pretty sure there are still some limits of that type but they are much, much larger than back when I used Excel in MS-DOS and early versions of Windows. Also, this isn't at all the same as what you asked - not spreadsheets so complex they need all that real estate! Just really large data sets that filled up the available space. This caused other problems as well, due to physical memory limitations, as I'm sure you would assume.
So now you've electronically met someone that's technically used the full length and width of an Excel spreadsheet, but only really old versions and not for anything particularly cool. Also, I wouldn't do things that way now - not when there are free or inexpensive databases available, as well as good dynamic languages like Perl and Python. Last time I had to mess with a huge data set like that I did my processing in stages with a pipeline of files and Python scripts.
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Post by pyradonis on May 27, 2022 22:59:24 GMT
No, it was Lana who said "We are New People!" I need to find the page, because that sounds like Lana is forming a band.
New people are new people, so why should it be...
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Post by maxptc on May 27, 2022 23:20:07 GMT
I need to find the page, because that sounds like Lana is forming a band. New people are new people, so why should it be...
Loup and I get along so awfully |
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Post by speedwell on May 27, 2022 23:20:22 GMT
Have you ever even met anyone who has used the full length and width of an Excel spreadsheet for any purpose? I mean, I was an administrative professional for many years, and my fellow admin pros and I never heard of such a thing. Back in the old days, it was certainly possible to completely fill an Excel spreadsheet, because you could only have so many rows and columns. I want to say 32K in each dimension? So if you wanted to import and process, say, instrument measurements, you'd have to slice and dice it into MAXROWS-sized chunks and write fairly ugly formulas to deal with it.
I'm pretty sure there are still some limits of that type but they are much, much larger than back when I used Excel in MS-DOS and early versions of Windows. Also, this isn't at all the same as what you asked - not spreadsheets so complex they need all that real estate! Just really large data sets that filled up the available space. This caused other problems as well, due to physical memory limitations, as I'm sure you would assume.
So now you've electronically met someone that's technically used the full length and width of an Excel spreadsheet, but only really old versions and not for anything particularly cool. Also, I wouldn't do things that way now - not when there are free or inexpensive databases available, as well as good dynamic languages like Perl and Python. Last time I had to mess with a huge data set like that I did my processing in stages with a pipeline of files and Python scripts.
Oh, back in the day, before they upgraded the sheet size, sure. I did that myself. But the "new" sheet size is just massive 🙂 |
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Post by maxptc on May 27, 2022 23:27:15 GMT
Omega is a properly made excel spreadsheet, hence it's predictive ability and why it's so mysterious to everyone. Have you ever even met anyone who has used the full length and width of an Excel spreadsheet for any purpose? I mean, I was an administrative professional for many years, and my fellow admin pros and I never heard of such a thing. Sadly no, I haven't met the makers of Omega. |
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Post by blahzor on May 28, 2022 13:27:39 GMT
no Kat we aren't calling them X-bots, they are NP's or at worse Ex-Bots like Ex-Pats
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Post by drmemory on May 29, 2022 4:06:04 GMT
Interesting that Kat is so emotionally attached to her robots and ex-robots. I don't recall seeing her express emotions nearly as intense regarding Paz. Seems appropriate for a hardcore techie though! |
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Post by blahzor on May 29, 2022 8:06:19 GMT
Interesting that Kat is so emotionally attached to her robots and ex-robots. I don't recall seeing her express emotions nearly as intense regarding Paz. Seems appropriate for a hardcore techie though! Paz just gives a serotonin boost the NP's give her power upgrades |
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Post by Bandolute on May 29, 2022 17:22:27 GMT
Is it pretty safe to say that Tony's working on the Omega Device right now, and that's what those weather spreadsheets he was acting cagey about were? He's been working on it since he was a teenager, basically, and admitted to working on it for the court during his long time away, so I see no reason why he's not still working on it. The parallel between Kat's example on this page and Tony's work seems pretty clear
I get the idea that Tony's plan is sort of like, he's counting on "moving the court" to be the thing that saves Annie from going the way of Surma, like they'll pull out the fire elemental of her for him and she'll get taken off the no-fly list. That's why being threatened with "we'll pull Annie out of the Program" was so effective etc. It would require him to really not have learned his lesson at all from the botched Surma resurrection but I wouldn't put it past him, really
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Post by drmemory on May 29, 2022 20:29:45 GMT
Interesting that Kat is so emotionally attached to her robots and ex-robots. I don't recall seeing her express emotions nearly as intense regarding Paz. Seems appropriate for a hardcore techie though! Paz just gives a serotonin boost the NP's give her power upgrades I wonder if Paz is eligible to move? I don't remember her "talking to animals" power requiring ether access. Unless maybe the animals are on ethernet?  |
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Post by speedwell on May 30, 2022 10:05:29 GMT
Is it pretty safe to say that Tony's working on the Omega Device right now, and that's what those weather spreadsheets he was acting cagey about were? He's been working on it since he was a teenager, basically, and admitted to working on it for the court during his long time away, so I see no reason why he's not still working on it. The parallel between Kat's example on this page and Tony's work seems pretty clear I get the idea the Tony's plan is sort of like, he's counting on "moving the court" to be the thing that saves Annie from going the way of Surma, like they'll pull out the fire elemental of her for him and she'll get taken off the no-fly list. That's why being threatened with "we'll pull Annie out of the Program" was so effective etc. It would require him to really not have learned his lesson at all from the botched Surma resurrection but I wouldn't put it past him, really As a teenager, he was recruited to work on testing and calibrating it, to be (more) precise. He made observations at a point in time and space and reported back so that the people working directly with the device could compare the findings with their own reports and gauge whether it was still in control. I agree with you that Tony has been looking for a way to disentangle the part of Annie bound to the Gunnerkrigg milieu. But with what would he replace it? |
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Post by theonethatgotaway on May 30, 2022 10:21:36 GMT
Wait wait, I just had a brain fart: so Kat is going all "gosh golly, so cool going some place new, and doing whatever you want without the rules and regulations put into place in this stuffy old place!" But Kat, dear, shining godess of robotness... The rules and regulations came for a HUGE part of the people that are leaving and 'starting anew'! If you stayed behind and the old farts moved away, you could do whatever the hell you wanted anyway! It'd be like one of those '80s movies where the kids found out their parents left them alone in the house! There would be LESS rules in Gunnerkrigg Court after everyone that didn't like thinking of the icky Ether left.
The only problem of course being Loup and the Forest running wild, but that can probably be handled in a sensible matter... probably.
Edit: woops, wrong thread! This was meant for 2630!
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