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Post by arf on May 23, 2022 7:33:23 GMT
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Post by stef1987 on May 23, 2022 7:39:22 GMT
Well, seems like you were first, so I'll delete my thread
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on May 23, 2022 9:27:15 GMT
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Post by theonethatgotaway on May 23, 2022 9:29:35 GMT
Is she Mort-ing this again? Is she unaware of what's going on? Will Kat and Renard have to explain everything once again? All this and more on next week's episode of... Clueless!
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Post by stef1987 on May 23, 2022 9:53:32 GMT
This page did made me wonder if she is interested in Jerrek as well
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Post by pyradonis on May 23, 2022 11:27:45 GMT
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Post by Georgie L on May 23, 2022 12:04:14 GMT
I still think Annie is completely oblivious to Jerrek acting like he's got a crush
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Post by saardvark on May 23, 2022 12:18:01 GMT
Im reading panel 5 as (1) surprised and vaguely pleased (the little "brightening" marks around her face, the raised eyebrows and widened eyes) and (2) a bit bemused (the half/twisted smile)
Tom has done a nice job of displaying a complex blend of emotions here....
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Post by Igniz on May 23, 2022 12:53:09 GMT
Erm, guys...?  |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on May 23, 2022 13:11:45 GMT
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Post by foresterr on May 23, 2022 13:20:05 GMT
Can't shake the feeling that those developments have something to do with seeing the reason for killing Loup, Ys, and Coyote. Buuuut I wonder if Jerrek can stay.
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Post by ctso74 on May 23, 2022 13:44:14 GMT
Not sure why she would, but she could make a "current expression" shirt, à la Wrench from Watch Dogs 2. |
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Post by Corvo on May 23, 2022 14:19:59 GMT
It's (almost) always flattering to know someone has a crush on you.
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Post by Fishy on May 23, 2022 15:13:33 GMT
Erm, guys...? Probably just a goof. Honestly I'm surprised Tom has kept up (or even started in the first place) the speech bubble thing considering how subtle it is and how easy it must be to mess up. That said, it's also odd that the speech bubble thing has been applying to Jerrek even though we, as the audience and the only people who can see it, know he's not a numan. That sorta implies that either Loup copied the body of a numan instead of a human, which would be redundant since afaik they're identical but synthetic, or that they do have some distinct difference in their voices. I guess we'll know on Wednesday if Kat goes "Hey, didn't he sound a bit too... normal?" |
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Post by saardvark on May 23, 2022 16:20:36 GMT
Erm, guys...? ...and maybe *that* is what Kat and Rey are puzzled about? They possibly recognized that Jerroup sounded more "human" than "numan" (assuming they sound different of course, which we don't know...)? It appears Annie-the-often-clueless missed it, if that *is* the reason for the puzzles.... (Fishy might be right tho...) |
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Post by pyradonis on May 23, 2022 16:46:08 GMT
Erm, guys...? Ooooooohhhhhhhh.... |
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Post by Gemminie on May 23, 2022 17:56:22 GMT
It appears that Annie, Kat, and Renard are walking Lana and Jerrek back toward the digsite – perhaps they "borrowed" them from the digsite for this little test.
Jerrek then takes a moment to run back and say goodbye to Annie specifically. We don't see Lana's reaction to this, but given the previous page we can imagine what it might be.
Annie just says a friendly goodbye and moves on; I think she's oblivious to what appears to be going on here. Loup is trying to get close to her, and his character Jerrek is awkwardly expressing attraction to her, but Annie's just not noticing. Jerrek may remind her of Ysengrin, but she knows he can't possibly have anything to do with Ysengrin (if only she knew!), so she likely just brushed that thought aside.
But it looks as if Kat and Renard are noticing. I wonder what they'll say to Annie about it. Considering that the "camera" has stayed with these three rather than following Jerrek and Lana, the next page will probably feature Kat and Renard trying to get Annie to realize that Jerrek might have feelings for her.
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Post by maxptc on May 23, 2022 18:31:33 GMT
"So she does want to date me, but not until the whole Loup situation is resolved..." Jerrek pondered, finally understanding what a great plan Coyete had.
Good news I solved the plotline. Bad news, it was Coyete grooming people all along.
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Post by mturtle7 on May 23, 2022 19:45:49 GMT
I'm surprised so many people think that Annie is oblivious to Jerrek's crush...well, ok, not that surprised. A bit frustrated, though. I kind of feel like a lot of people are assuming that she's "oblivious" as long as she's not loudly rejecting him, asking him out, or making out with him. But there's a difference between being passive and being oblivious! My immediate interpretation of this page was this: Annie's aware that Jerrek's romantically pursuing her, and isn't opposed to that kind of relationship but is happy to just let him take the initiative. If he manages to gather the courage to ask her out, fine, she'll try it, seems like it might be nice. If he doesn't, well, that's ok too, she's happy being single. In the meantime, she'll just accept whatever little romantic things he does - like holding her hand or saying goodbye to her specially - and make it clear that those things make her happy.
I'm not exactly alloromantic myself, so this is more of an outside perspective than an inside one, but like...that IS something allos do, right?! It's like, a relatively normal, even traditional, form of romance?!? Or am I completely trolling here?
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Post by crater on May 23, 2022 20:21:04 GMT
damnit Loup, you suck, you truly suck, how does a God make such a blunder
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Post by drmemory on May 24, 2022 6:33:14 GMT
I am not among those that think Annie is totally oblivious to Jerrek's crush. That doesn't mean she knows what to do about it of course! She doesn't have a lot of experience, that we've seen at least. I interpreted Kat and Renard's reaction as a dual WTF, but for different reasons. Kat: Why is one of my NPs trying to flirt with my best friend? That seemed pretty un-robot-like! Renard: Does he really think he has a chance with Annie? OR Annie wasn't socially awkward there and even seemed into it, this is new! Not sure which.
The whole thing could unravel quickly if Kat gets suspicious enough to investigate, as Jerrek won't be on her list of converted robots. I assume her computer has such a list, even if she doesn't keep one herself.
On an unrelated note, I think this may have indeed revealed something about Annie's secret crush - Ysengrin. Half guess, half process of elimination. If not him, who else is left? Jones? I will resist the temptation to stray further into that topic.  For now... |
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Post by drmemory on May 24, 2022 6:41:45 GMT
Erm, guys...? ...and maybe *that* is what Kat and Rey are puzzled about? They possibly recognized that Jerroup sounded more "human" than "numan" (assuming they sound different of course, which we don't know...)? It appears Annie-the-often-clueless missed it, if that *is* the reason for the puzzles.... (Fishy might be right tho...) Good catch! I went back and confirmed that Loup indeed has human-colored and -shaped dialog bubbles, as is shown here. Now we just need to wait and see if it was a Tom goof, in which case I assume he'll adjust it.
I don't remember him ever revealing why different characters (and in a couple of cases, types of characters) have special speech bubbles, but nobody should rely on my memory. If the robot/NP angular bubble thing indicates "robotic voice", then Jeroup just screwed up. Ya, nobody calls him that, I know, I know...
Sorry, meant to reply directly to Igniz, who first noticed this, and don't know how to fix it. No disrespect intended!
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Post by stef1987 on May 24, 2022 7:08:37 GMT
Erm, guys...? Wait, the new people (or what are they called?) have different speech bubbles? I never noticed! |
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Post by pyradonis on May 24, 2022 11:12:36 GMT
Kat: Why is one of my NPs trying to flirt with my best friend? That seemed pretty un-robot-like! Why? The first NP body she made was to enable a robot and a human to pursue a relationship; and robots falling in love with humans is common enough that there are guidelines for how to react in such a case.
nobody should rely on my memory. And that coming from someone called Dr. Memory? 
Wait, the new people (or what are they called?) have different speech bubbles? I never noticed! Yes, in fact the style of their speech bubbles is a blend of those of humans and "normal" robots. |
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Post by drmemory on May 24, 2022 15:39:25 GMT
Kat: Why is one of my NPs trying to flirt with my best friend? That seemed pretty un-robot-like! Why? The first NP body she made was to enable a robot and a human to pursue a relationship; and robots falling in love with humans is common enough that there are guidelines for how to react in such a case.
nobody should rely on my memory. And that coming from someone called Dr. Memory? 
Wait, the new people (or what are they called?) have different speech bubbles? I never noticed! Yes, in fact the style of their speech bubbles is a blend of those of humans and "normal" robots. How do you split up quotes into multiple sections like that? And include quotes from different messages???
Anyway, for your first point, I always think of Arthur as being "special". He is of a very different line that is raised from "birth" to be a companion and actually evolves over the years, getting different bodies and probably additional programming. This is a very different situation than one who was supposed to be a pipe inspecting robot. The basic maintenance robots always seemed much lower functionality and much more static to me. I stand by my point until more evidence comes in.
As the the Dr. Memory thing, well, I was ~40 years younger when I first started using this handle. Sorry, things change over time! I WISH my memory was still what it was when I was in my 20s! I'm still pretty good at keeping the thread and remembering what happened in the plot and how it fits together, but no way am I confident that I remember every freaking detail of every episode, in sequence.
FYI, the handle came from my obsession with computer memory. Back when a standard computer had like 16K, I expanded my Atari computers (not gaming systems, 800s and the like) to have all the extra memory I could stuff in, even though I had to program my own algorithms to manage it using bank switching and the like. Now, when a typical smart phone comes with more memory than a Cray had then, it's all pretty obsolete, but at the time I was really into it. Anyway, it didn't come from having a good memory - quite different from that. |
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Post by bedinsis on May 24, 2022 16:24:00 GMT
How do you split up quotes into multiple sections like that? And include quotes from different messages??? To do a multiquote: press the little gear icon in the upper right corner of the posts you wish to quote, and select "Select". Once you press "Reply" they will all be part of the message. To split up a post into multiple sections: just make a regular quote (whether through the regular "quote" feature or through the aforementioned "Select" feature is up to you) and once in the post: copy-and-paste the full quote(with the square brackets) and delete the parts that you do not wish to repeat. For instance, if I copy and paste the above quote and delete the second and first sentence respectively I get: How do you split up quotes into multiple sections like that? and And include quotes from different messages??? |
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Post by pyradonis on May 24, 2022 23:03:37 GMT
How do you split up quotes into multiple sections like that? And include quotes from different messages??? To do a multiquote: press the little gear icon in the upper right corner of the posts you wish to quote, and select "Select". Once you press "Reply" they will all be part of the message. To split up a post into multiple sections: just make a regular quote (whether through the regular "quote" feature or through the aforementioned "Select" feature is up to you) and once in the post: copy-and-paste the full quote(with the square brackets) and delete the parts that you do not wish to repeat. For instance, if I copy and paste the above quote and delete the second and first sentence respectively I get: How do you split up quotes into multiple sections like that? and And include quotes from different messages??? This. An important addendum: Switch from "preview" to "BBCode" for manipulating quotes, else you end up with just a mess of destroyed formatting.  |
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Post by jda on May 25, 2022 6:39:36 GMT
Erm, guys...? I am more interested in those:  |
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Post by saardvark on May 25, 2022 10:04:06 GMT
Erm, guys...? I am more interested in those: well spotted! but what are they? "excitement/discomfort sweat"? tears of joy? teenage pimples? |
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Post by pyradonis on May 25, 2022 10:48:05 GMT
Anyway, for your first point, I always think of Arthur as being "special". He is of a very different line that is raised from "birth" to be a companion and actually evolves over the years, getting different bodies and probably additional programming. This is a very different situation than one who was supposed to be a pipe inspecting robot. The basic maintenance robots always seemed much lower functionality and much more static to me. I stand by my point until more evidence comes in. You're making some assumptions here though - it was never said that Arthur was supposed to be a companion for a human (and if that is the case, we have no information about how many robots are made to be companions), and it was never said either that getting increasingly more advanced bodies over time is unusual for robots. From what we have seen with S13, it is hinted that all robot CPUs are made to easily interface with all kinds of chassis, even if it's just a wind-up mouse. I can imagine that the relationship between Arthur and Juliette is indeed special. But a robot being romantically interested in a human is not. First, there is a section devoted to it in the school's student handbook (complete with a very speciesist guide on how to put a stop to it). And second, Arthur himself said he initially wrote a love letter to Juliette because all his friends were doing it at the time. Juliette states "she turned him down, [...] but [they] stayed friends". The way I understand it, Arthur was not even intended as a companion robot and it was simply chance that the two of them stayed friends. So, TL;DR -> both the friendship and the romantic relationship between Arthur and Juliette are unusual cases. But romantic advances by robots towards humans are normal. Wow, that's actually quite fascinating. Was this related to your job as well, or just a hobby? |
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