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Post by SilverbackRon on May 11, 2022 23:18:35 GMT
It seems odd to me that the gang would recruit two NPs - who just happen to be Lana and Jerrek - to snare Loup, unless they know Jerrek is Loup. My first post here, btw. Hey everybody! Hi and Welcome! Yes, Annie and Kat often include others into their plans, but to have these two? A very odd choice indeed unless Annie knows more than she has let on. |
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Post by drmemory on May 12, 2022 4:23:59 GMT
It seems odd to me that the gang would recruit two NPs - who just happen to be Lana and Jerrek - to snare Loup, unless they know Jerrek is Loup. My first post here, btw. Hey everybody! Hi and Welcome! Yes, Annie and Kat often include others into their plans, but to have these two? A very odd choice indeed unless Annie knows more than she has let on. I was just thinking the same - why is the Lou Crew just Annie, Kat, Jerrek and Lana? What did they say to the NPs to get their help, and why nobody else?
Best guess at the Scooby Gang's plan - capture Loup and talk to him. Find out what he wants.
Best guess at Loup's plan - find out what they want to do to him. He's probably ready for attempted wolficide but maybe not for the power of kindness!
So I'm guessing he will let them spring their trap and appear to be captured, but that it won't really do them any good. Not just because Jerrek is there but because he's a freakin' Wolf God! I wouldn't be too shocked if this turned out to be part of his master plan to endear himself to his prey (er Annie).
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Post by laaaa on May 12, 2022 6:12:29 GMT
If the plan is too simple ("Annie & Co. sneak attack"), Loup will escape from this snare. If Annie suspects anything about Jerrek, she's playing a very deep game. [...] The only way I can see that Annie wins this battle outright - no tricks, no illusions, no "I know you knew I knew" - is if she does suspect Jerrek, and the snare is to catch him, using Loup as the bait. That's what I'm thinking, but... we've seen Loup eavesdropping Annie's conversations from a great distance. If she went to Kat and said something along the lines of "I suspect the New Person Jerrek is actually Loup, can you check if you've created a body for a robot like this one? Oh you haven't?! Then we actually need to trap 'Jerrek'..." then Loup has probably overheard and re-planned accordingly. The only way Loup wouldn't find out is if Annie didn't say anything to anyone, or if they had a pre-planned winking code for just such an occasion, which seems extreme. I don't think we, the readers, could guess that Loup would be casually eavesdropping from a great distance, so why would Annie plan everything around this idea? I dunno. I'm still not certain Annie doesn't know though. I suspect she would normally be a lot more flustered after Jerrek held her hand, yet she kinda ignored him. WHAT IS HAPPENING?!  This plotline is mindbending!! (in a good way) |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 12, 2022 13:57:15 GMT
Just in case anyone forgot, Kat was working on an improved version of her mother's binding system. I believe it will be put to the test next page but won't go well, as Renard's Coyote-granted power and those of "Loup" don't work on the same principles and also because that may not really be "Loup" stupidly chasing after Renard. And welcome to the forum, yellowb ! |
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Post by Runningflame on May 12, 2022 14:24:26 GMT
Hi and Welcome! Yes, Annie and Kat often include others into their plans, but to have these two? A very odd choice indeed unless Annie knows more than she has let on. I was just thinking the same - why is the Lou Crew just Annie, Kat, Jerrek and Lana? What did they say to the NPs to get their help, and why nobody else?
They had to find two new not-quite-human teenagers since Red and Ayilu aren't speaking to them anymore.  |
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Post by drmemory on May 12, 2022 16:13:33 GMT
Expanding on the "Jerrek endearing himself to Annie" theory, I would expect Jerrek to do something heroic as part of the confrontation with AggroLoup. I could almost see him sacrificing himself, but if he did that, Kat would see he isn't (wasn't?) really a NP I'm sure.
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Post by mturtle7 on May 12, 2022 17:00:15 GMT
Interesting! And now I wonder what exactly she will see; I'm reminded of her experience in the Realm of the Dead. She will see the same as the rest of them... Kat only experiences reality differently when she is in another dimension or similar.
Huh...you know, I always assumed that Kat could just see through illusions & perception-altering tricks (and both the arrow trap and the ROTD were just smoke and mirrors), but now that I think about it, your explanation actually works just as well! I guess we'll see whenever Kat starts seeing different stuff than the others again. |
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Post by pyradonis on May 12, 2022 23:31:53 GMT
What I mean is that it would make more sense for Parley, Smitty, and Eglamore to be helping Annie, Kat, and Rey with this... and maybe they are, we just haven't seen them yet. Indeed. However, Annie's planning skillz work in mysterious ways. When the gang freed Jeanne and her boyfriend, for example, Renard wasn't with them... Instead there was Red, who did nothing but fool around and be a general millstone round the others' collective neck. |
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Post by todd on May 12, 2022 23:53:42 GMT
What I mean is that it would make more sense for Parley, Smitty, and Eglamore to be helping Annie, Kat, and Rey with this... and maybe they are, we just haven't seen them yet. Indeed. However, Annie's planning skillz work in mysterious ways. When the gang freed Jeanne and her boyfriend, for example, Renard wasn't with them... Instead there was Red, who did nothing but fool around and be a general millstone round the others' collective neck. While Reynardine's presence still remains a mystery (I assume that Tom just couldn't think of anything to do with him and couldn't figure out an in-story explanation for leaving him out), I assume that Red's presence was necessary to get Ayilu (who had a genuine role) to come. |
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Post by mturtle7 on May 14, 2022 16:24:12 GMT
Indeed. However, Annie's planning skillz work in mysterious ways. When the gang freed Jeanne and her boyfriend, for example, Renard wasn't with them... Instead there was Red, who did nothing but fool around and be a general millstone round the others' collective neck. While Reynardine's presence still remains a mystery (I assume that Tom just couldn't think of anything to do with him and couldn't figure out an in-story explanation for leaving him out), I assume that Red's presence was necessary to get Ayilu (who had a genuine role) to come. I mean, I don't think there really needs to be a special reason to leave him out? Annie carefully put together a plan, and brought only the people that were necessary for the plan to work - bringing along anyone else to be put in danger would have been irresponsible! They needed Parley and Smitty to teleport them all to exactly the right spot in an instant, Ayilu to keep Jeanne trapped in an illusion, Kat to operate the arrow-finder, Annie to retrieve the arrow, and Robot to help distract Jeanne with swordplay (especially since he can get his body torn apart without dying). And, yes, Red, solely because she's an idiot who insisted on being there for her friend's big moment. Renard could have easily gotten killed if he came along, and his unique skills (body-snatching, shape-shifting, etc.) wouldn't have contributed much to the plan. Narratively, I agree it did feel a bit surprising that he wasn't there, but in-story, yeah I think it made perfect sense to leave him out, and he's wise enough to understand that. |
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Post by yellowb on May 14, 2022 21:34:13 GMT
While Reynardine's presence still remains a mystery (I assume that Tom just couldn't think of anything to do with him and couldn't figure out an in-story explanation for leaving him out), I assume that Red's presence was necessary to get Ayilu (who had a genuine role) to come. I mean, I don't think there really needs to be a special reason to leave him out? Annie carefully put together a plan, and brought only the people that were necessary for the plan to work - bringing along anyone else to be put in danger would have been irresponsible! They needed Parley and Smitty to teleport them all to exactly the right spot in an instant, Ayilu to keep Jeanne trapped in an illusion, Kat to operate the arrow-finder, Annie to retrieve the arrow, and Robot to help distract Jeanne with swordplay (especially since he can get his body torn apart without dying). And, yes, Red, solely because she's an idiot who insisted on being there for her friend's big moment. Renard could have easily gotten killed if he came along, and his unique skills (body-snatching, shape-shifting, etc.) wouldn't have contributed much to the plan. Narratively, I agree it did feel a bit surprising that he wasn't there, but in-story, yeah I think it made perfect sense to leave him out, and he's wise enough to understand that. "Robot to help distract Jeanne with swordplay" Umm, Robot wasn't there. Parley fought/distracted Jeanne. Robot did help Parley by sparring with her. |
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Post by pyradonis on May 16, 2022 12:37:51 GMT
While Reynardine's presence still remains a mystery (I assume that Tom just couldn't think of anything to do with him and couldn't figure out an in-story explanation for leaving him out), I assume that Red's presence was necessary to get Ayilu (who had a genuine role) to come. I mean, I don't think there really needs to be a special reason to leave him out? Annie carefully put together a plan, and brought only the people that were necessary for the plan to work - bringing along anyone else to be put in danger would have been irresponsible! They needed Parley and Smitty to teleport them all to exactly the right spot in an instant, Ayilu to keep Jeanne trapped in an illusion, Kat to operate the arrow-finder, Annie to retrieve the arrow, and Robot to help distract Jeanne with swordplay (especially since he can get his body torn apart without dying). And, yes, Red, solely because she's an idiot who insisted on being there for her friend's big moment. Renard could have easily gotten killed if he came along, and his unique skills (body-snatching, shape-shifting, etc.) wouldn't have contributed much to the plan. Narratively, I agree it did feel a bit surprising that he wasn't there, but in-story, yeah I think it made perfect sense to leave him out, and he's wise enough to understand that. Renard is a powerful Etheric being, I'm sure Annie would have found a role for him. For example watching over her while she was inside the arrow. Imagine if a Forest creature had attacked her and Kat while they were on the boat. Also I have a hard time imagining Renard not wanting to go along. Specific role or not, he never wants to let Annie go into danger without him. I think the comic should at least have devoted one or two panels to this, just show us whether Annie convinced him to stay behind, or went without telling him altogether. Instead we got nothing, not even a remark from him after all was said and done. I would really like to know his opinion on the whole thing, including Annie committing herself to the psychopomps!
Umm, Robot wasn't there. Parley fought/distracted Jeanne. Robot did help Parley by sparring with her. Re-read the chapter. He was there, even though his body got destroyed rather quickly. |
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Post by todd on May 16, 2022 23:52:12 GMT
As I said above, I suspect that the whole thing was a case of "Tom couldn't think of what to do with Reynardine in that chapter - or maybe thought that that would mean one too many characters to keep track of - but unfortunately didn't come up with an in-story explanation for why Rey wasn't in that adventure".
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This plotline is mindbending!! (in a good way)
