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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 9, 2022 8:05:45 GMT
Presumably the diggers only work on the intermediate-state stuff "Loup" vomited forth. [edit] PS: "Moulded" is not a type-o, no matter what the spellcheck may tell you, it's an alternate spelling. [/edit] |
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Post by bicarbonat on Mar 9, 2022 8:08:52 GMT
Just some future weaponstools <(￣︶￣)>
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Post by madjack on Mar 9, 2022 8:14:24 GMT
Loup surprised by the matter transporter?
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Post by mochakimono on Mar 9, 2022 8:16:05 GMT
"*Waves a toothbrush at a dirt mound* Shoo!"
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Post by noone3 on Mar 9, 2022 8:40:25 GMT
These are totally NOT magic wa... EXPELIARMUS!!!
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Post by basser on Mar 9, 2022 8:41:56 GMT
Kat casually summons earthbending sticks, Loup is fazed.
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Post by cocomoo on Mar 9, 2022 9:32:25 GMT
The indent on the wood material in the last panel kinda looks like a finger print. It's spiral shape also reminds me a bit of Uzumaki.
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Post by blahzor on Mar 9, 2022 10:16:41 GMT
Loup you were fed a god
Kat was born into sciengod
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Post by Salty on Mar 9, 2022 12:43:25 GMT
Oh hey Kat, I see you've reinvented the sonic screwdriver. Congratulations.
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Post by ctso74 on Mar 9, 2022 14:23:12 GMT
Kat: "Hey, I've figure out there's pervading matter in the stuff around us, and maybe in ourselves. Here's some sticks to forcibly manipulate it. Have fun!"
I'm guessing, the devices are made to only influence the wood, but that's still as scary as misaligned Heisenberg compensators.
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Post by abbomeister on Mar 9, 2022 15:36:01 GMT
I guess now we know that Kat herself is not one of the 'lights' that Loup saw at the beginning of the chapter. Perhaps it's because Kat stores her 'powers' within her computer far away in a remote location? This is some serious Etheric shenanigans, yet Loup doesn't appear to be driven away by Kat's blatant techno-magic.
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Post by Eily on Mar 9, 2022 15:56:03 GMT
So ...
Coyote tried to make his own living people but more or less failed, but the Court, mostly Kat, managed to do it.
Then Loup couldn't control the forest, and Kat just demonstrated she's starting to understand how to do it.
Basically, Kat is giving the power Loup couldn't control to the people Coyote couldn't create.
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Post by drmemory on Mar 9, 2022 16:06:38 GMT
This makes me wonder how much of what Coyote did was really "magic". Maybe Zimmy was right!
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Post by Gemminie on Mar 9, 2022 16:11:48 GMT
So after a strong hint that the fundamental matter of both the Court and the Forest is made from the same stuff, in at least a mystical or alchemical sense, and that Kat may have inadvertently discovered the Seed Bismuth or at least a strong clue toward its nature, today she's confirming a theory I had, which was that the Forest material isn't wood, stone, or dirt, but rather something more primal and undifferentiated. Kat says it's "ready to be moulded."
She uses her fabrication system to generate some terrain manipulation tools for the New People to use. Loup/Jerrek's face shows amazement as he sees them appear from nowhere. Perhaps he's internally reevaluating his "nothing special" opinion of Kat.
Kat then picks one of the tools up and easily makes a hole in a hill with it, with no physical contact. That's pretty handy there, Kat. I wonder why some of them have longer handles while others are smaller, though. I also wonder what Loup is sensing while this is happening. I'm guessing that he might be sensing nothing – there's nothing happening as far as his ethereal senses are concerned, and yet the ground is changing form before his eyes. Considering the chapter has contained a lot of thoughts from Loup's perspective before now, perhaps we'll find out what he thinks soon.
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Post by V on Mar 9, 2022 16:16:49 GMT
Looks like Loup's reaction is more reasonable than the last time someone took steps to amend the chaos he left behind. |
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Post by manabi on Mar 9, 2022 19:42:40 GMT
So after a strong hint that the fundamental matter of both the Court and the Forest is made from the same stuff, in at least a mystical or alchemical sense, and that Kat may have inadvertently discovered the Seed Bismuth or at least a strong clue toward its nature, today she's confirming a theory I had, which was that the Forest material isn't wood, stone, or dirt, but rather something more primal and undifferentiated. Kat says it's "ready to be moulded." To borrow a term, it's protomatter. Seems it acts much like human stem cells, capable of easily transforming into any matter needed. It may be something like it that created the entire universe billions of years ago, at least in the Gunnerkrigg Court universe. Here's an interesting thought: since we know that the ether can effect things in the past, perhaps Kat will not only create the Seed Bismuth, she'll end up responsible for the creation of all matter, making her one of the most powerful gods. Perhaps the Seed Bismuth is a beta version, and the refined version is what created all normal matter. |
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 9, 2022 21:42:32 GMT
So ... Coyote tried to make his own living people but more or less failed, but the Court, mostly Kat, managed to do it. Then Loup couldn't control the forest, and Kat just demonstrated she's starting to understand how to do it. Basically, Kat is giving the power Loup couldn't control to the people Coyote couldn't create. Well, if you define success or failure as "looking like humans" perhaps. |
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 10, 2022 0:53:00 GMT
Basically, Kat is giving the power Loup couldn't control to the people Coyote couldn't create. Nowhere to dodge this time. Both old halves are dazed.  Heh. I wonder if this will lead to an internal existential crisis or he will just switch to secret crush on Kat now. |
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Post by Nnelg on Mar 10, 2022 3:55:58 GMT
Kat is really trying hard to convince people she isn't an angel, huh?
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Post by drmemory on Mar 10, 2022 6:10:35 GMT
Bismuth Goo. Clearly. You know, Kat isn't that far from just doing this stuff directly with her mind! She has a mental interface to her computer, right? Also the magic keyboard that only she can touch. If she could cut out the middleman, she'd basically be Coyote, at least in a way.
I do have to wonder how much of what she can do is dependent on the arrow, though. Or the little stubby thing she made that let her enter the ether. |
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Post by Igniz on Mar 10, 2022 8:06:38 GMT
"It's all still pretty basic", she says. Oh, Kat, you silly joker! This makes me wonder how much of what Coyote did was really "magic". Maybe Zimmy was right! Based on what we've seen, it was all magic—thing is, the etheric magic in the GC universe, more than being in the typical "Merlinesque" sense, is depicted as more akin to things like Star Wars's The Force, Fullmetal Alchemist's alchemy or Avatar's bending arts (just to name a few). Also, don't forget: in fiction, magic (and even divine powers) can often be explained and replicated using high level science by similarly minded characters to Kat. Enter Arthur C. Clarke's third law: "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." To borrow a term, it's protomatter. " Protomatter" refers to either: - The ultimate basis of physical substance, before it has been given form (philosophy).
- The hypothetical primordial plasma from which the universe was created (physics).
- An highly dangerous and unstable form of matter (science fiction).
The first two definitions might apply, as based on what we've seen so far, the material is not unstable (under normal cimcunstances, at least) and Kat would've certainly pointed out if it's dangerous, so we can rule out the third one option. Still... On the one hand, Kat did state that "it's in some kind of middle state between stone and wood"; contrast with protomatter being in a state between energy and matter—which she would be quick to acknowledge if this was the case. On the other, it permeates through everything on the Court, from buildings to glass to plastics to Boxbot (via the Seed Bismut, assumedly). So, if this "etheric clay" is not protomatter, it certainly is very close to it. |
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Post by blahzor on Mar 10, 2022 9:31:47 GMT
"It's all still pretty basic", she says. Oh, Kat, you silly joker! This makes me wonder how much of what Coyote did was really "magic". Maybe Zimmy was right! Based on what we've seen, it was all magic—thing is, the etheric magic in the GC universe, more than being in the typical "Merlinesque" sense, is depicted as more akin to things like Star Wars's The Force, Fullmetal Alchemist's alchemy or Avatar's bending arts (just to name a few). Also, don't forget: in fiction, magic (and even divine powers) can often be explained and replicated using high level science by similarly minded characters to Kat. Enter Arthur C. Clarke's third law: "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." To borrow a term, it's protomatter. " Protomatter" refers to either: - The ultimate basis of physical substance, before it has been given form (philosophy).
- The hypothetical primordial plasma from which the universe was created (physics).
- An highly dangerous and unstable form of matter (science fiction).
The first two definitions might apply, as based on what we've seen so far, the material is not unstable (under normal cimcunstances, at least) and Kat would've certainly pointed out if it's dangerous, so we can rule out the third one option. Still... On the one hand, Kat did state that "it's in some kind of middle state between stone and wood"; contrast with protomatter being in a state between energy and matter—which she would be quick to acknowledge if this was the case. On the other, it permeates through everything on the Court, from buildings to glass to plastics to Boxbot (via the Seed Bismut, assumedly). So, if this "etheric clay" is not protomatter, it certainly is very close to it. It's still in protomatter alpha testing |
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Post by Eily on Mar 10, 2022 9:55:23 GMT
So ... Coyote tried to make his own living people but more or less failed, but the Court, mostly Kat, managed to do it. Then Loup couldn't control the forest, and Kat just demonstrated she's starting to understand how to do it. Basically, Kat is giving the power Loup couldn't control to the people Coyote couldn't create. Well, if you define success or failure as "looking like humans" perhaps. I was rather thinking about the fact that he wasn't pleased with the result, while Kat hasn't been shown to have to lower her expectations because of technical limitations. |
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 10, 2022 11:36:06 GMT
Well, if you define success or failure as "looking like humans" perhaps. I was rather thinking about the fact that he wasn't pleased with the result, while Kat hasn't been shown to have to lower her expectations because of technical limitations. You're not wrong, though I'd like to point out that Coyote never tried to "improve" his creations because he lost interest after the first try, whereas Kat has been working years and gotten outside help more than once. Juliette and Tony did lots of design work with the current iteration of bodies, and the consciousness transfer works only thanks to Diego's arrow, whose function, if I remember correctly, Kat hasn't fully understood and cannot replicate. So I'm not sure if these two cases can even be compared. |
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Post by blahzor on Mar 10, 2022 11:42:31 GMT
I was rather thinking about the fact that he wasn't pleased with the result, while Kat hasn't been shown to have to lower her expectations because of technical limitations. You're not wrong, though I'd like to point out that Coyote never tried to "improve" his creations because he lost interest after the first try, whereas Kat has been working years and gotten outside help more than once. Juliette and Tony did lots of design work with the current iteration of bodies, and the consciousness transfer works only thanks to Diego's arrow, whose function, if I remember correctly, Kat hasn't fully understood and cannot replicate. So I'm not sure if these two cases can even be compared. But realistically it's proven by the other Kat's time traveling that she would go on to do the same without the help but is probably much older than doing it at 17 Let's say without help it too her til 30 Without help of the Norns 50 With help 17 With Pineapple Pizza 12 years old |
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 10, 2022 19:21:25 GMT
You're not wrong, though I'd like to point out that Coyote never tried to "improve" his creations because he lost interest after the first try, whereas Kat has been working years and gotten outside help more than once. Juliette and Tony did lots of design work with the current iteration of bodies, and the consciousness transfer works only thanks to Diego's arrow, whose function, if I remember correctly, Kat hasn't fully understood and cannot replicate. So I'm not sure if these two cases can even be compared. But realistically it's proven by the other Kat's time traveling that she would go on to do the same without the help but is probably much older than doing it at 17 Let's say without help it too her til 30 Without help of the Norns 50 With help 17 With Pineapple Pizza 12 years old What does the time travel have to do with the question how successful Kat and Coyote were with creating new life? |
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Post by mordekai on Mar 10, 2022 21:18:27 GMT
Kat: Do you have any question? Loup: YES! ALL OF THEM!
I wonder... are robot people made from the same material too...? Are they quasi-magical?
What if Coyote is everything: The Forest, the Seed of Bismouth, the Court, the Robots... everything...? Just like the dead goose and the lake and the tree and the lake and everything...
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Post by blahzor on Mar 10, 2022 23:30:23 GMT
But realistically it's proven by the other Kat's time traveling that she would go on to do the same without the help but is probably much older than doing it at 17 Let's say without help it too her til 30 Without help of the Norns 50 With help 17 With Pineapple Pizza 12 years old What does the time travel have to do with the question how successful Kat and Coyote were with creating new life? she needs to make the NP to be mecha-angel which gives her powers to get to the norns to go back in time to save Annie to meet new friends she wouldn't have otherwise to make NP? |
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 11, 2022 15:29:16 GMT
What does the time travel have to do with the question how successful Kat and Coyote were with creating new life? she needs to make the NP to be mecha-angel which gives her powers to get to the norns to go back in time to save Annie to meet new friends she wouldn't have otherwise to make NP? Brinnie took Kat to the Norns after Anja asked nicely, the NP or any angelic powers were not involved. |
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Post by drmemory on Mar 15, 2022 16:06:50 GMT
I think the point was that Kat would have gotten different results if she had gone to the Norns at different ages, because she would have been different. Like if she went at 30, maybe she'd have been working for years to fill the void left by Annies death, and still suffering effects from her breakdown. At 50, perhaps a bitter middle-aged woman, angry at the world (or at least the court)? I dunno, just riffing off of blahzor's comments. Thinking about it, maybe in her first iteration she figured out time travel on her own, and the Norns had to intercede? Or worse, maybe she showed up in their home as a conqueror, more or less. We know that she usually met them when she was older, she usually had a mechanical bird she made, and that in at least some iterations, things had already gotten very bad. I wonder if there is any chance the Norns have been meddling, adjusting her life as she iterates? They strongly implied that a Kat without an Annie was a very bad thing...
Let me be the first to say it: "Kat the Conqueror".
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