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Post by philman on Feb 28, 2022 8:12:04 GMT
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Post by blahzor on Feb 28, 2022 8:21:47 GMT
Wolf insulted being called a dog a thing created by humans
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Post by bicarbonat on Feb 28, 2022 8:21:48 GMT
AND ISN'T IT FUNNY THAT THIS SPANKING NEW FORMER ROBOT WITH ZERO OLD-SCHOOL PROPRIETY EXPERIENCE HAS SOMETHING IN COMMON WITH YOU, AN OLD CODGER FROM THE FOREST.
No problem, go back to work!
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Feb 28, 2022 8:34:20 GMT
Ah see, no finding out of Jerrek/Loup yet! Just good old girl/boy stuff!
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Feb 28, 2022 10:17:45 GMT
Chapter thumbnail in panel two.
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Post by aline on Feb 28, 2022 10:23:21 GMT
Lana is getting some much needed girl talk. I approve.
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Post by ohthatone on Feb 28, 2022 12:27:32 GMT
Good thing rey is there to get jerrek/loup-- can we call him jellou? His side of the story so annie and kat aren't blindsided with "boys are dumb we were just talking and he got all jealous for no reason and let's get some of that icecream I've read about so we can talk about how boys are dumb!"
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Post by arf on Feb 28, 2022 13:13:23 GMT
Interesting that Rey hasn't rumbled 'Jerrek'.
Will Loup use this opportunity to retrieve his eye power?
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Post by blahzor on Feb 28, 2022 13:29:07 GMT
Lana is getting some much needed girl talk. I approve. Kat: Just switch to girls sometimes all you need is a work jumpsuit |
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Post by hannibalbarca on Feb 28, 2022 13:33:05 GMT
okay, i wasn't expecting the narrowly avoided sexual assault to be treated as a girl talk boy talk thing.
also, rey, you didn't do that. jack was getting close but it wasn't with any further motive than "i am sick and i want answers to my questioms which are completely unrelated to sex". annie wasn't unaware of the situation either. the situation with jack was very different.
unsure how this is going to go. i can't see lana coming out of this experience without blaming herself for being a stupid naive robot. im not going to talk about the meta-morality of this plot point yet, or ever probably. it just kind of stings that lana will have a very realistic memory of this event, where shell recall it as a time where she was confident in the world, and realised she was, in fact, stupid and other people would either want her harm, either have good intentions but end up harming her anyway because of a miscommunication. i just wish she had a better takeaway from the experience than millions of people IRL do, i guess.
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Post by Per on Feb 28, 2022 13:50:25 GMT
If it helps any, none of this is real.
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Post by TBeholder on Feb 28, 2022 15:34:48 GMT
Ah see, no finding out of Jerrek/Loup yet! Just good old girl/boy stuff! Renard is an old trickster. If he noticed, not going to show this. |
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Post by drmemory on Feb 28, 2022 16:07:00 GMT
Ah see, no finding out of Jerrek/Loup yet! Just good old girl/boy stuff! Renard is an old trickster. If he noticed, not going to show this. Agree. Also, Loup is learning a lot more by holding to his masquerade than he ever did running around as a rage beast.
I bet he's pretty surprised that Renard is backing him up here! |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Feb 28, 2022 16:38:31 GMT
I get the weird feeling that whenever whoever does finally catch on, it will be Rey.
Either he's already sniffed out something's up and he's not letting on, or if he talks long enough he'll figure it out.
The question is whether the others give him enough time, or if Annie calls them over before the Big Reveal can happen.
Alternatively, if it doesn't happen now, it'll be Rey when it does.
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Post by taothegreat on Feb 28, 2022 16:47:36 GMT
Lana's expression in panel 1 cracked me up, love it.
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Post by saardvark on Feb 28, 2022 16:58:21 GMT
Lana's expression in panel 1 cracked me up, love it. the steaming mega-pout! |
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Post by mochakimono on Feb 28, 2022 17:33:24 GMT
Lana's expression in panel 1 cracked me up, love it. the steaming mega-pout! Lana: >8< ...well, that one sort of looks like a spider emoji instead, oops... |
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Post by Gemminie on Feb 28, 2022 17:42:09 GMT
We still don't know what sort of demo Annie, Kat, and Renard are here for, but Lana, still fuming, takes Annie and Kat aside, most likely to vent about Jerrek's intervention.
Meanwhile, Renard talks to Jerrek. Can Renard see that Jerrek is Loup? If so, he doesn't react at all to that. He assumes Jerrek did something, which isn't too hard to puzzle out given that Lana's upset and left Jerrek behind to go talk to some other girls. Jerrek is surprised that Renard would assume he did something but then fesses up. The amount of role immersion that Loup is doing is impressive, but then he's part Coyote, and Coyote was a natural at this.
Renard admits he'd probably have done the same, but although Tom links to a previous incident when Renard supposedly did the same, I don't know that it was the same. Spider-possessed Jack wasn't attempting to touch Annie inappropriately; he was obsessing over Zimmy and demanding information about her from Annie. Perhaps he may have grabbed Annie if he'd been allowed to continue, but we don't know what he would've done, because Renard intervened.
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Post by taothegreat on Feb 28, 2022 19:12:04 GMT
Random thought: it is amazing to me how much I have gone from being frustrated by Loup because he's Coyote-manque and just made me miss Coyote to being deeply fond of Jerrick-Loup. I hope he forgets he was Loup like Coyote forgot he wasn't a dead goose in a bush and just stays like this forever. 😂
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Post by csj on Feb 28, 2022 20:13:47 GMT
okay, i wasn't expecting the narrowly avoided sexual assault to be treated as a girl talk boy talk thing. 'ah yes, intimidation to defuse the risk of physical assault, turning a green kid's finger into a pretzel for low-grade sexual harassment, same thing' |
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Post by mturtle7 on Feb 28, 2022 20:33:49 GMT
also, rey, you didn't do that. jack was getting close but it wasn't with any further motive than "i am sick and i want answers to my questioms which are completely unrelated to sex". annie wasn't unaware of the situation either. the situation with jack was very different. Renard admits he'd probably have done the same, but although Tom links to a previous incident when Renard supposedly did the same, I don't know that it was the same. Spider-possessed Jack wasn't attempting to touch Annie inappropriately; he was obsessing over Zimmy and demanding information about her from Annie. Perhaps he may have grabbed Annie if he'd been allowed to continue, but we don't know what he would've done, because Renard intervened. Eh...*tilts hand side-to-side* it wasn't EXACTLY the same situation, but it was similar enough, especially as far as Renard & Loup's interventions (and the motivations behind those interventions) go. Jack might not have been AS threatening as the elf kids, but the point is that he was being pretty damn creepy and threatening without making any explicit threats. Seriously, look at Annie getting back up against the wall and looking for a way out in panel 5 of that page. This, my friends, is the kind of situation I like to call "Not OK, In Any Way, Nope." So yeah, I'd say it's pretty accurate to call Jack's behavior there "inappropriate." And both Renard and Loup did "step in" by acting super intimidating - although Renard didn't break any fingers, not that Loup mentioned anything about that.
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 28, 2022 22:04:13 GMT
Renard admits he'd probably have done the same, but although Tom links to a previous incident when Renard supposedly did the same, I don't know that it was the same. Spider-possessed Jack wasn't attempting to touch Annie inappropriately; he was obsessing over Zimmy and demanding information about her from Annie. Perhaps he may have grabbed Annie if he'd been allowed to continue, but we don't know what he would've done, because Renard intervened. I am agreeing with mturtle7 here. It was not exactly the same, but Spider Jack certainly behaved very inappropriately and threatened Annie in a very physical way even without touching her. Somehow I also think Renard himself wouldn't see any important difference, except that Annie was aware she was in danger.
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Post by drmemory on Mar 1, 2022 0:25:38 GMT
You know, in Jerrek disguise, Loup is closer to his real age. Closer than an ancient forest god anyway. We're basically seeing teenage drama! Entirely possible that Renard has picked up on it being Loup and wants to see what will happen next. I've been thinking about the whole Ysengrin/Renard relationship and actually can't remember Renard mocking or toying with Ysengrin, even in flashback. That sort of thing is shown as part of the stories humans tell but even in the side comic I don't remember Renard actually messing with him. Anyone remember an example of outward friction between the two of them? The closest I can think of is the first encounter we saw, when he and Coyote came to the court and Ysengrin was easily made angry, but even then it was Y that was aggressive, not R! Renard did make one smart remark about his terrifying skills at gardening, after Ysengrin first bitched at him for "daring to take the form of a wolf".
Actually, I take it back, he did trick Ysengrin into freezing his tail into a pond in the side story. So maybe there was more going on there than I remember. It still seems like it was always Coyote who insulted him and helped him build his anger and hatred of humans to a fine pitch.
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Post by warrl on Mar 1, 2022 1:37:07 GMT
As I understand it, snide comments and trickery from Renard pushing Ysengrin toward anger and violence is rather typical of the French/Belgian mythos. But also, in that mythos they are typically as powerful as anyone else around, if not more powerful.
Renard is automatically less powerful than Annie (because she controls him). Ysengrin is less powerful than Coyote. We haven't seen much interaction between the two when neither Annie nor Coyote is around.
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Post by maxptc on Mar 1, 2022 5:01:22 GMT
While I have little doubt Loup is successfully fooling everyone, I wonder if he can hold his temper throughout a Rey wisdom speech, which is what I suspect Rey has in mind for "Jerrek". My understanding of story pacing says it isnt time for Loup to reveal himself/be found out but it's hard to say with Tom.
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Post by blahzor on Mar 1, 2022 6:50:25 GMT
Spider Jack was much more obviously dangerous due to sleep deprivation, spider control, obsession on someone who wasn't Annie
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Post by drmemory on Mar 1, 2022 15:49:07 GMT
I'm not sure the details of the behavior of Spider Jack and the elf gang matter that much. I think this is as simple as: Renard jumped in when a boy was making Annie uncomfortable, and Jerrek jumped in when boys were making Lana uncomfortable. Even though she wasn't, yet - the situation had the potential to go downhill fast. So I'm suggesting that this is how Renard meant it. NOT that the details match - they don't. More a matter of "it's our duty to protect the wimmin-folk", only in a nicer and more PC way.  Maybe more like "it's our duty to protect our girls, even when they don't think they need it"?
So I claim it is that protective instinct that Renard is agreeing with. Which is a very interesting and somewhat unexpected behavior for someone like Loup.
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Post by Polyhymnia on Mar 1, 2022 16:44:36 GMT
The other thing is that Loup gave Reynard very, very little information. I don’t know if the situations are really equivalent, but since Reynard has basically a sentence to go by, I can see how he’d fill in the blanks, whether or not his inferences actually match up. Assumption of meaning and all that. WE know what happened, but “inappropriate,” while loaded, is also euphemistically vague.
(I also wonder if animalistic god-beings draw a meaningful distinction between regular violence and sexual violence? Humans definitely do, and they’re born in part from human imaginings, but at the same time, with their animalistic element, I wonder if they classify both under a category of “invading personal boundaries and threatening physical safety.”)
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Post by ohthatone on Mar 1, 2022 17:54:49 GMT
I'm not sure the details of the behavior of Spider Jack and the elf gang matter that much. I think this is as simple as: Renard jumped in when a boy was making Annie uncomfortable, and Jerrek jumped in when boys were making Lana uncomfortable. Even though she wasn't, yet - the situation had the potential to go downhill fast. So I'm suggesting that this is how Renard meant it. NOT that the details match - they don't. More a matter of "it's our duty to protect the wimmin-folk", only in a nicer and more PC way. Maybe more like "it's our duty to protect our girls, even when they don't think they need it"?
So I claim it is that protective instinct that Renard is agreeing with. Which is a very interesting and somewhat unexpected behavior for someone like Loup.
ehh I like to think of it as "it's our duty to stop creepy behavior against our friends." But i get ya. 🙂 |
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Post by mturtle7 on Mar 2, 2022 16:52:23 GMT
I've been thinking about the whole Ysengrin/Renard relationship and actually can't remember Renard mocking or toying with Ysengrin, even in flashback. That sort of thing is shown as part of the stories humans tell but even in the side comic I don't remember Renard actually messing with him. Anyone remember an example of outward friction between the two of them? The closest I can think of is the first encounter we saw, when he and Coyote came to the court and Ysengrin was easily made angry, but even then it was Y that was aggressive, not R! Renard did make one smart remark about his terrifying skills at gardening, after Ysengrin first bitched at him for "daring to take the form of a wolf".
Actually, I take it back, he did trick Ysengrin into freezing his tail into a pond in the side story. So maybe there was more going on there than I remember. It still seems like it was always Coyote who insulted him and helped him build his anger and hatred of humans to a fine pitch.
Yeah, I've always found that to be sort of a weird aspect of the comic, actually - you've got these two characters from folklore, who were basically created together and always show up together in the tales they're in, but in GC Tom doesn't really explore the relationship between them at all. We learn lots about Ysengrin, and lots about Renard, but their individual stories hardly ever mention each other. Without knowledge of the folklore, you could read practically the entire comic while assuming that they're strangers who've never even interacted more than a few times throughout their lives.
I wonder if, as Loup continues to interact with Renard and/or rediscover his "Ysengrin" side, we'll learn a bit more about what those two thought of each other.
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Maybe more like "it's our duty to protect our girls, even when they don't think they need it"?